1. Magnus_Pym

    Auto argument losers

    It's my belief that there are a number of argument which, through illogicality or lack of evidence should automatically lose an argument. It might be useful to have a link to these rather like the like/dislike points that can be attributed to a post. Then rather than going to the trouble of trying to use logic and actual references to show an idiot what an idiot he is, a simple click to link the post to a pre written page that explains why they are wrong would suffice. Examples of self defeating arguments are:

    1. bad grammar = bad logic. Pointing out that someone has made a spelling mistake does not make you right or them wrong. Additionally if you play the grammar card you will always make a grammatical error.

    2. Thin end of the wedge. If you let people have bread they will be asking for cake next: More than likely but you can say yes to bread and no to cake if you want.

    3. Dogma. I know the Bible* is true because it says so in the Bible*. *Insert guru, corporation or political leaning of your choice in these positions.

    4. New ball game. just because something is done with a computer does not mean there is no president. On-line fraud is the same as postal fraud but quicker. Gaining information by deception accross juristictions has been done before via mail, phone, fax and probably by smoke signals.

    5. Illegal copying is theft. No it isn't theft deprives the owner of use of the thing not just the money they might have made from it.

    There are many more. Anyone think of any?

    1. TeeCee Gold badge
      Headmaster

      Re: Auto argument losers

      ...just because something is done with a computer does not mean there is no president.

      This is a British site, so there is indeed no president here. Presumably you meant "precedent"?

      Oops, there goes rule 1.......

      1. jake Silver badge

        And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Re: Auto argument losers).

        This is not a British site, even if you take that as canon based on something as silly as domain name. It's a world-wide site, with offices in North America and Australia. I'm willing to bet that fewer than 4% of the contributors (article authors, readers, & commentards combined) actually carry a British passport.

        Not sure how to prove that, though. google could probably provide an answer, if anyone were willing to pay enough money ...

        1. Magnus_Pym

          Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).

          The rule is: does the grammar or spelling render the post ambiguous? If not it's just pedantry to point it out.

          BTW ellipsis is three dots...

          1. TeeCee Gold badge

            Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).

            The rule is: does the grammar or spelling render the post ambiguous?

            Well, it caused my train of thought to run a red signal, cross tracks and pile headlong into oncoming heavy freight when I read it the first time.

            I felt that a spot of pedantry was called for, purely as revenge for my tortured synapses.

            1. jake Silver badge

              @TeeCee (was: Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).)

              Ah. Signaling error. I can go along with that :-)

              Speaking of which ...

            2. Magnus_Pym

              Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).

              "I felt that a spot of pedantry was called for, purely as revenge for my tortured synapses."

              Ah, but revenge is a dish best served cold ... or is that gazpacho. Maybe it's chips, onion rings and beer but then again that could be steak. Perhaps it's that it's best not served at all.

          2. jake Silver badge
            Pint

            @Magnus_Pym (was: Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).)

            "The rule is: does the grammar or spelling render the post ambiguous? If not it's just pedantry to point it out."

            Exactly.

            "BTW ellipsis is three dots..."

            ... ::Reaches back over shoulder to retrieve "The Chicago Manual of Style":: ... ::eyeballs same:: ... Looks like an ellipsis is a space, three dotes, and a space. And that's the way my Linotype machine cranks 'em out.

            Not certain why ElReg chooses to incorrectly format the leading space when used at the beginning of a line. Probably has something to do with their reasoning behind their piss-poor handling of CR/CR-LF/LF in simple ASCII text ... looking at an old post, ElReg also incorrectly strips the trailing space ... Nor why ElReg adds a line feed or carriage return (or combination, I can't be arsed to check) that doesn't exist at the bottom of each post ...

            Herb Caen taught me to type. Blame him for typos, me for content ...

            Beer, because this kinda thang is all very silly, when you think about it ;-)

            1. Tim Parker

              Re: @Magnus_Pym (was: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).)

              "Looks like an ellipsis is a space, three dotes, and a space."

              An ellipsis is often, but not necessarily, a series of dots.

              "Not certain why ElReg chooses to incorrectly format the leading space when used at the beginning of a line."

              The Chicago Manual of Style has a set of recommendations on this, they are not a law :)

              "Nor why ElReg adds a line feed or carriage return (or combination, I can't be arsed to check) that doesn't exist at the bottom of each post ... "

              Perhaps they are stored as a text file on a Unix-based system - in which case a file is not a text-file unless it is terminated by a newline (it is often a lazy catch-all bit of programming to append one to a putative text-file).

        2. Phil W

          Re: "This is not a British site"

          Well, reading the About The Register page on this very website provides the following information which I shall summarise.

          1. Founded in London in 1994, began publishing online in 1998.

          2. Currently headquartered in London and San Francisco.

          While I would concede that there is a strong US reader base, as well as staff in the US, I would also strongly argue that this publication is primarily British having been founded there and continuously headquartered there (albeit with headquarters elsewhere as well). I don't see any mention of offices in Australia though?

          1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

            Re: Re: "This is not a British site"

            "this publication is primarily British"

            Just a few points that may be of use: we've got 3 offices (San Fran, London and Sydney) with staff in each, as well as some useful guys out and about in New York and Hong Kong. In terms of US, UK and AU spelling styles, it depends on whose watch the article is published: the spelling is adjusted to the main audience of the moment.

            So an article published after 5pm BST - when Brits clock off for a swift pint before home and the West Coast is slurping its freshly squeezed OJ - will use US spelling because the SF office is running the show. That team hands over the guys Down Under at the end of their working day, and they hand over to the UK team when their working day ends.

            The alternative is to force everyone into either UK, US or AU mode, which will alienate far more people than the current system, which tries to please most of the people most of the time rather than some of the people all of the time.

            And breathe.

            C.

        3. MJI Silver badge

          Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).

          I have no passport and I am British

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: And TeeCee crucifies Rule3 (was: Auto argument losers).

            That's OK, MJI. My sister has two passports. One Limey, and one Yank. She married one of you lot ;-)

  2. nuked

    Stupid idea. Bible says luv thy neighbour.

    1. jake Silver badge

      @nuked

      The bible also says you should be stoned to death for various things.

  3. Magnus_Pym

    Another might be 'obviously not read or not understood the original post.

  4. LinkOfHyrule
    Paris Hilton

    Maybe if people on these forums end up having rows, the Register should set up a backstreet boxing club and force those involved to just 'have it out' with each other the old fashioned way.

    El Reg Big Fight Live - Sponsored by Kleenex Mansized Tissues - for those messy situations! I can just see that working as a late night TV show on Dave hosted by Craig Charles and Michaela Strachan!

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    All rules have exceptions...

    See above.

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