*YAWN*
Microsoft says WinPhone outselling iPhone, BlackBerry
Windows Phone is outselling the iPhone in seven nations, says Microsoft mouthpiece corporate vice president of corporate communications Frank X Shaw. “Windows Phone has reached 10 percent market share in a number of countries, and according to IDC’s latest report, has shipped more than Blackberry in 26 markets and more than …
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Thursday 28th March 2013 08:36 GMT Anonymous Coward
I see a lot more visibility/marketing of their stuff when I'm in India
Nothing to do with there being no Apple phone in the medium and low price range? In India that's not exactly a recipe for success (Yes, I know there are rich Indians, but far fewer than equally rich Americans).
The cheapest Lumia in the UK is now being priced to compete with the cheapest old Blackberry model. That's one way to get market share.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 04:34 GMT Philip Lewis
Pont of view
Point of view
When I look at that graph I see 3 things.
1: iOS's share rose last quarter
2: Adroid's share fell last quarter
3: "the rest" share fell last quarter
Another headline might have been ...
"Android's share plummets, its days are numbered - declining global share hints at fandroid exodus! (Windows Phone still irrelevant)"
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Thursday 28th March 2013 17:55 GMT Philip Lewis
Re: Pont of view @csumpi
You must be the visually challenged induhvidual who down voted me.
It's not a question of what I believe. I simply used my personal examples of the Mk. I eyeball on the graphs as shown. I didn't make the graphs and it matters not a tot if I or anyone else believes them.
I am sorry if you are functionally blind and reality refuses to align with your bigoted world view.
Paris: At least she wears spectacles when needed
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Thursday 28th March 2013 08:31 GMT Erno Aho
Statcounter tells us something else
I'm not sure what kind of statistics Microsoft uses but for example in Russia which was mentioned as one of the Windows Phone success lands Statcounter statistics shows that WP share has been quite stable 2.5% for the last 6 months while iOS has grown from 16% to over 25% market share.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-RU-monthly-201209-201302
Statcounter puts WP to "other" category in many other of those mentioned success countries for example India and Poland, so it's hard to tell exactly how they are "kicking Apple in the core".
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Thursday 28th March 2013 09:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Blimey, Russia "poor in GDP" per capita, bracketed together with India?
2011 GDP
Russia 21.246 (better than Argentina and Barbados, and much the same as Hungary and Poland and much of the EU)
India 3,627 (better than Papua New Guinea, but then again, less than Iraq...)
So, in round figures, Russia's GDP per capita is apporximately 6x or 600% that of India's.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 10:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Indeed so, and possibly they are also blocking the presumably illegally imported ones...
“This just isn’t fair,” wept one (Ukrainian) iPhone user. “How can I now show the ladies how cool I am?”
http://www.whatson-kiev.com/index.php?go=News&in=view&id=10163
Seems no problem getting other iKit officially there though, oddly ......
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Thursday 28th March 2013 10:40 GMT Simon Rockman
If you are thinking about the products you are missing the point
It's all about distribution. Nokia has fantastic retail distribution, it's the world leader with Samsung in second place. I've heard drug companies complain that they can't distribute medicine to many places that Nokia (and Coca Cola) can reach.
A retailer in India makes a tiny margin on a phone and only gets three days credit. Nokia can do next day delivery, everyone else takes a week. So a retailer can sell a Nokia phone before he has to pay for it while he has to find cashflow for other devices.
Typically this is low end phone like the 1200 but when the cost of the devices ramps up it becomes even more significant.
People in India do want iPhones, A mobile phone is a significant status symbol and Apple is right there at the top, but the retailers want to sell Nokias.
It's going to be a race between Apple building out it's distribution network and the operators closing in on the "Over The Top players", by which they mean Apple and Google.
LatAm is particularly interesting, again Nokia is dominant, it was a two-horse race with Motorola but I suspect Google will have pissed that away by shutting down "non-core operations". At the moment Android is the strong LatAm OS, and that's keeping Apple out, but Telefonica is backing Firefox it a bid to fight both iOS and Android. I spoke to one senior exec of Telefonica LatAM on a bus at MWC who said he'd stop selling Andriod tomorrow if he could.
Bear in mind this is all about power over the consumer. How good or bad the phone is has nothing, or at least very little, to do with it.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 11:44 GMT sebbie
Subsidised phones
Being from Poland I can explain this "phenomenon" easily. There are no reasonable Apple offers from carriers, handset is available at handful of places and availability is very restricted. In Poland main criteria for buying phone is to get it free on 2-3 years contract. Nokia Lumias are free so people get them instead of feature phones. They do not use them as smartphones, rarely ever picking up handset for something other than calls, text and picture.
Is Microsoft successful only when people don't have a choice? That does remind me something... ;)
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Thursday 28th March 2013 11:51 GMT Ramazan
iPhones in Ukraine
As I've been told, until 2013 there were _no official sales_ of iPhones in Ukraine at all (only gray market - iPhones smuggled in from UK and Russia), but there are official iPads, iPods etc nevertheless. It's impossible to find an iPhone officially designated to be sold in Ukraine (with EU style charger at least), so actual official sales must be exactly zero.
At the same time, 5 out of 10 smartphone owners in Kiev own an iPhone, and from my 100+ acquaintances I know only one person to have a /Lumia/.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 11:51 GMT James Gosling
Somehow I doubt....
Somehow I still doubt they are in profit, I'm pretty sure they will have spent more pushing it than they have made selling it. Seems to be the Microsoft way at present.
Their entire culture is one of inflicting products on users with an underlying assumption that the user will accept whatever they turn out, and that just isn't the reality of a world where Microsoft are increasingly less relevant.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 15:21 GMT Robert Moore
Phones on the street Vancouver Canada
I am looking to get a new phone soon, so I have been paying attention lately.
This is what I see in an average day.
iPhones Nearly half of the phone I see
Various android phones Probably close to 30% (Increasing rapidly)
Blackberry I would say about 15% and falling.
Non-smart phones 10%
I have never seen a windows phone in the wild.
Full disclosure. I have an iPhone 4, and am probably replacing it with an Android phone.
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Thursday 28th March 2013 19:30 GMT The_Regulator
Low Sales Does Not Mean It's Bad
To be honest just because apple and android phones sell more doesn't mean anything other than just that. Having been an iPhone and android user in the past I enjoy the experience with my Lumia 920 more than either one of those devices, I could also care less how much people want to say MSFT sucks as it does not affect me one iota.
It is funny though how the publicity war is fought and how propaganda is used. Finally, wasn't the article published in the NY Times and what does MSFT have to do with that??