Sounds like they asked for it...
DigitalRev is not an authorized reseller...
we ask merchants who are selling our product to use authorized images...
Sounds like they are a bunch of control freaks.
This was supposed to be a great week for extreme camera manufacturer GoPro but instead it has stumbled into a PR nightmare. On Wednesday the Winter X Games kicked off in the French skiing haven of Tignes and with GoPro involved the company was expecting lots of favorable views of its products. Now thanks to the actions of some …
It's far from uncommon for that to occur, apple are the same, even mandating which color of their phones are to be used in shots. Hell even working inside a company the brand management folks go bugshit at you if you get the size of a logo wrong on a presentation or a colour isn't a perfect match when printed. It's just sad little twats who couldn't get a real degree trying to justify their pathetic, meaningless existence.
However, this has a huge whiff of bollocks about it. The excuse seems to be just that, made up when they realized how much of a mistake they had made trying to get a review they didn't like pulled.
Pretty normal supplier behaviour tbh. The brand and placement guidelines you often get from suppliers, particularly in fashion and beauty, but other sectors as well, can be extremely prescriptive. What's particularly galling is that a certain e-commerce site named after a big river tells all these suppliers they can gtf with their brand guidelines and they're big enough to do it. Us smaller fish have to jump through pointless hoops, that add absolutely sweet fa to sales performance.
Having said all that, GoPro using the DMCA is an areshole move and I don't believe it was a brand compliance issue for one second.
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The United States Supreme Court rejects the argument that reselling books and movies is a violation of Copyright. Once a product has been sold to an end user that user has the right to resell.
So what if DigitalRev is not "authorised". They have an opinion regarding the product and a right to be heard.
If El Reg are now so annoyed with GoPro they want to change the LOHAN camera (for something lighter?) the designed/manufactured in UK Raspberry Pi camera will soon be available. 150g ish excluding batteries. Going to be a High altitude balloon flight with it soon as a test. Lens not as good as GoPro though, but at $50 for the Pi and the camera should be a bit cheaper.
Just a suggestion...
One of the main reasons they use the box form factor is so that you can use different mounts and attachment points for different perspectives. On a chest mount in particular the teardrop factor would be a bit odd and if I crashed on it it'd be a smaller thing more likely to break a rib!
I use mine for kite surfing and snowboarding and I have the choice of chest mount, helmet mount, kite mount or board mount.
Or rig your own.
It's not pretty, but GoPro runtimes = massive. Use one of these: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__20689__Turnigy_nano_tech_2200mah_4S_35_70C_Lipo_Pack_USA_Warehouse_.html
And one of these:
Plug in the USB as normal, and bingo.
Whatever happened to the concept of admitting that you were wrong?
I run into this every day with almost anyone under about 45 years old - they screw up because they failed to think the situation though and then, instead of fixing the problem, they spend hours "proving" that it wasn't their fault.
Politicians in training - come back Enoch Powell, all is forgiven.
>I run into this every day with almost anyone under about 45 years old
Sounds more like people under 30. As for people over 55 I thought due to their greed and mismanagement they were too busy making sure their grand kids don't get the enjoy the same standard of living to notice the younger people they expect to pay for all the entitlements they have given themselves.
That it was a comparision between the Go-Pro, and a Sony version that was competing with the Go-Pro.
The Go-Pro won hands down.
Really really silly.
It's all over the cycling forum I frequent, where the Go-Pro had been favoured over the Contour cams, but this is shifting some opinions...
You don't have to be authorised to sell some products.
You don't have to use authorised pictures unless you enter some contract as an authorised reseller.
You don't infringe trademarks by mentioning or review a product.
You don't infringe trademarks by photographing a product yourself for review purposes.
You can't use the DCMA in a trademark dispute.
GoPro clearly stated it was due to the use of the terms "GOPRO" or "HERO" in this context.
GoPro clearly stated the page that they wanted taking down.
GoPro contacted the ISP to demand the takedown and did not speak to Digitalrev.
They were wrong before, and the poor guy who had to stay up all night to write the very poor spin statement (has he officially recalled the DCMA takedown?) has no sympathy.
Way to go to alienate your brand.
On the other hand - building a well respected and well known brand is a black art.
and the littlest thing can start to undermine it.
Gopro is perfectly in its rights to choose who is allowed to sell their products as 'official' resellers - apple does the same, so do sony and others.
That allows them to not sell to, say stack em high, sell em cheap, but we don't know what the hell we are selling places, etc. which may be beneficial to their brand.
It's not illegal of course for DigitaRev to sell gopros - but as they are official resellers they aint gonna get proper backup, etc perhaps. Also, I imagine only resellers have rights to use official photos, etc.
I agree gopro has fecked up the handling of this - on the other hand they wanted it to be clear that digitalrev was not selling something they had official permission to sell.
rock and a hard place imho.
stu (biased as I do have 3 gopros..)
It means that control freak organisaions will never have their products discussed or mentioned outside their own domain, thus removing a great deal of brand awareness and leading to their own self destruction...
If everyone removes all references to Cra**ple products then surely the brand and the attitude will die? Lets go!
I wholeheartedly agree with the last paragraph
"By choosing to go the DMCA route, rather than just picking up a telephone and asking DigitalRev nicely, the company may have shot itself in the foot..."
And I hope most readers do too... otherwise cilvilisation is doomed and terminator lawyers will rule the world.
The bullshit excuse, so everpresent among politicians, seems ubiquitous these days. It makes me wonder if there are many examples of the opposite: "We made a bad mistake, and the people responsible have been disciplined."
Note the word "responsible." You won't hear it much.
The Drift cams are a lot more aerodynamic and water resistent out of the box, not much different in HD quality, and the menu is simple enough for the klutziest non-techie. You can also rotate the lens to offset the angle it's attached at, and it has a sensible 1/4" tripod mounting screw, which gives you access to a huge variety of video mounting kit (dollies, rails, extender bars, flexies etc).. Not sure I'd use a sportscam for anything except sports video, but I'd always consider competing products before buying the dominant brand. I've got a couple of Drifts. An older X170 720p SD quality for cycling, and an HD170 for high speed 1080p. The remote, lcd screen, and aerodynamics made my mind up. Different strokes for different folks, so by all means check out comparisons on biker sites.
Re the takedown notice, it's a sign that they're getting twitchy about competition squeezing their market, and the effect that more competition will have on their margins.
I bought one at the start of Nov for my son; available within 7 days. We got the camera, but they said that a couple of extra items would be a few weeks --- not so great since he was going to Madagascar. A few weeks came & went - we were told early Feb. Feb came & went - so I cancelled. I spoke to them on the 'phone and email, they showed little interest.
There was a promised andriod app to control it -- does not work properly. The camera itself crashes.
My son does not recommend them.
I use GoPro daily whenever I drive and as a POV user for around six-years I would say they are, presently, an average product. My employer has a total of eleven units - all mounted in vehicles.
GoPro is fussy on which SD memory chips you use, uses custom rechargeable batteries (identical to a cell battery) and it FOGS UP even on hot days. They recommend using the vented case, which has large holes in it, but is hardly suitable for expeditions in high-humidity/downpour conditions.
GoPro, who has never acknowledged/answered my condensation complaint now INCLUDES DESICCANTS for some models to ameliorate the condensation which effectively blocks the video sensor.
Another deficiency is GoPro's belief in plastic. The camera proper will not work unless it is within the outer plastic casing, in which the lens is mounted/attached. This plastic case has a plastic mount and a plastic foot, the foot SLIDES in to the various mounting options, many of which rely on glue.
I changed the plastic foot to a stainless one; and I protect all camera locations, including my helmet, in stainless steels cages made from one-eighth round bar (rod). The GoPro supposition that you can use a plastic mount EXTERNAL to the safety cage of a racing car is wishful thinking. Their concept of GLUING a helmet cam to a HELMET is equally stupid as they can easily be twisted off in an accident or by a passing thief on a motorcycle.
I recommend the people working El Reg's own Low Orbit Helium Assisted Navigator (LOHAN) spacecraft) do some serious preflight testing in a food freezer AND include a secondary POV (the Sony is good - we have road tested them), ADDITIONAL BATTERIES (an extra battery on the camera ALONG with a battery source external to the camera. Remember, camera frame rates interact with the SD memory so test carefully.
Just because a product has big bucks behind it's advertising and a shiny web site, doesn't make the product good or best in class.
P.S. This isn't a product review, this is user report.
I'm not outraged but have to admit with this behaviour they've certainly slipped down in my estimation.
With our online 24 hour lives information and opinions move at a frightening pace. One day your the darling in your chosen field, next day you're about as welcome as a Jimmy Saville impersonator at a kiddies party bash!
or whatever they call it.
If you walk into university and the first lessons do not involve them holding up examples of this, Ratners, Streisand, Sony, EA etc with big letters saying "Fecking learn".
Walk out your course is not up to date.
You'd think if this was your job you'd have a bloody clue.