watch it they're going to throw Metro in your face
lol, it would not surprise me if they did pull something like sticking Metro on everyone's Win7 PC and then say it was a programming bug that'll take 6 months to fix.
Microsoft will start the automatic rollout of Windows 7 Service Pack on Tuesday. The extensive software update will be handled via Windows Update, and will make its way onto PCs whose users have Automatic Update enabled. "Updating customers to Windows 7 SP1 is part of our ongoing effort to ensure continued support and …
@DF118... nah this is the right place. Slight rephrasing...
lol, it would not surprise Eadon if they did pull something like sticking Metro on everyone's Win7 PC and then say it was a programming bug that'll take 6 months to fix.
OBLIGATORY ALL-CAPS EPIC FAIL COMMENT.
Microsoft's Support Lifecycle policy for Windows is to support a service pack (or the original release if there has only been one service pack) for two years after the release of the following service pack. The actual end date is aligned to the next Patch Tuesday (second Tuesday of the month), which is 9 April. Future updates will only be installable on Windows 7 SP1 as a baseline.
All this means is that if you reinstall Windows 7 from a disc or image without SP1 applied, Windows Update will first offer all the security and critical updates from RTM to this month, then it will offer SP1, then any updates released after SP1.
Windows 7 *itself* is in mainstream support until 13 January 2015, and extended support until 14 January 2020. In the mainstream support period, you can call up for paid support, you can use any free incidents that you got when buying the product, you can get non-security hotfixes and if you really want to, you can make change requests. In extended support you still get paid support but the free incidents are no longer valid; you still get security hotfixes but other fixes require an extended support contract, which you have to take out within 90 days of the end of mainstream support; warranty claims and design change requests are no longer accepted.
microsoft are retards for breaking security, and want exterprises to update from XP to windows 7
existing permissions work
if you have
full control on program files for administrator group, system, creator_owner, and read and execute for users, with replace and inherit permissions on all childs
only old installer put the permissions on all new folders and files 100% of the time, its the same for most compressed archives, or any new file and folder that is created by system or program
Files system permissions will only do exactly what you tell them to do. Nothing is broken, or something so major would have hit tech site news long ago.
What you are basically saying is that you are too stupid to mess with something that you don't fully understand and you screwed it up.
To fix your incompetence, just run the following in a elevated command prompt:
secedit /configure /cfg %windir%\inf\defltbase.inf /db defltbase.sdb /verbose
secedit is pointless, setting the permissions on the folder lets you take full ownership of your hard drive and you can copy and edit any file when you like without running anything in admin mode,. admin mode is there because windows 7 is crap
if you rightclick on a folder and set the security persmissions, and replace permissions to inherit parent permissions,. to this folder, subfolders and files, the persmission should be applied to all new files when a program gets installed
which happen when you first install windows 7, when you update windows 7 from the past 3 months, the perssions dont get applied to most folders and files
windows 7 is as crap as linux, and the lameness will just start to kill of pc`s, because of retarded security permissions and not being able to do anything on your own drive
Ahhh c'mon the Desert Eagle bit was one of the funniest things I've read on here recently.
Yeah I admit it was pretty trainwrecktastic. Couldn't stop reading. In fact ISTR the missus having a right old go at me for reading it instead of jumping her bones and she's nowhere near as fugly as xboxzilla back there.
Lol if she ever reads this I'm so dead.
No - the point of side-by-side (WinSxS) is to keep old versions available so that programs can use the exact versions they were built expecting, rather than introduce issues with later updates. The approach these days is that "Disk space is cheap, let's use it". Whether you agree or not; that's the way it works.
Assuming you don't want to ever uninstall the service packs and updates, you can use a combination of tools to reduce the amount of space taken up.
Use CCleaner (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner - remembering to go for the freebie version hidden at the bottom, not the pay links!) with the option to remove update uninstallers checked.
Then open a command prompt and run this:
dism /online /cleanup-image /spsuperseded
It will take a while and won't make a massive difference but it does chop a few gig out of the Windows install size.
Its easier to bug test a few updates at a (comparative) few megabytes as opposed to a beelion byte (sic) update thats depoloyed to 5 million PC's worldwide and then causes a quarter of them to baulk and fail.
Either way, 8 will never make its prescence felt on any thing i own.....TIFKAM or otherwise...
Last night my Win 7 Pro laptop was automagically updated to IE10 which broke the 1 thing I use IE for, hosting my office remote access software.
A quick trip to the System Restore sorted that one out but grr. I do so hate it when MS insist on labelling their browser upgrades as "essential" updates rather than optional.
I know I could set Windows Update to show me the updates for approval prior to applying them, but it's still tres annoying.
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Oh and the patching for Linux is so much better how? Surely you run yum and update all your packages after your mint install... oh you don't....
Just out of interest how do you update more than one Linux machine from a central repo without going to the internet each time?
Although you need a server license WSUS is free and updates all Microsoft products, hence you would only pull the SP down once ever in a business.
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"Oh and the patching for Linux is so much better how?"
Simple - most package managers just grab the latest packages and installs them in one go.
Windows Update can take 4 or more check-download-install-reboot cycles to go from latest official media to fully up to date (depending on what version of Windows and what extra libs get added)... And on top of that, MS make it ridiculously difficult to allow Windows Update through restrictive firewalls (their info on how to is a joke) and almost impossible to cache without using their payware WSUS server (which also assumes you're controlling the clients enterprise style, so doesn't work for repair shops, public access wifi, etc).
Is that enough difference for you?
"MS make it ridiculously difficult to allow Windows Update through restrictive firewalls"
All you need is access to a few internet URLs. As shown here in point 2.: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb693717.aspx
The info on how to do so seems quite simple to me, but maybe you are a moron?
Oh, and WSUS is a free application. It's now integrated into Server 2012, so no charge other than for the server OS itself.
Wild guess, maybe, but it might mean that Windows 8 doesn't exist, this time next year.
I've noticed several things which Windows 7 does better than previous versions, mostly under the bonnet. Can we separate the in-your-face changes such as Metro from the hidden stuff? To be honest, I doubt that. Linux can do better, but it doesn't escape the concept that the designers know best.
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Erm you are kidding, right? Or very clueless. Linux distributions have an order of magnitude more security patches than any version of Windows. For instance SUSE 10 - 3,800 known security vulnerabilities. Even Windows XP only has about 450.
In areas where Linux is actually used like Webservers you are about 3 times more likely to be hacked if you run a Linux box than a Windows one.
nb - Windows is POSIX compatible and has been ever since the first version of NT. Full ACLs were put into every level of the operating system from scratch. To come close to that on Linux you have to run an experimental Filesystem (NFS 4.1) and run a bolt on security package to fix the flaws in the core design - SEL Linux.
Well of course you can inflate those numbers quite nicely if you include the security issues in every single userland package and compare it to only the OS flaws in windows.
Windows had a POSIX-compatiblity subsystem up to windows 2k. It was optional. They had to buy in a proper POSIX compatibility layer to replace it and even that was marketed as a stand-alone product until recently. It was only included in windows by default from 7 forwards. Windows therefore has not been "POSIX-compatible" from the start. It has been at best optionally, partially compatible and if you knew anything about POSIX you'd understand that MS's own subsystem was a steaming pile of shite. Which is why they had to buy in another.
NFS is a network file system...
I give up. You haven't a clue.
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Those number are from Secunia. As per the analysis by Jeff Jones, even if you package adjust Linux to match Windows Server capabilities, then it still has a much higher vulnerability count.
As stated Windows has been POSIX compatible ever since NT 3.5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
Actually it was included in all versions by default UNTIL Windows XP.
It clearly is you who don't have a clue: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/ACLs
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"Why didn't they add an App Store?! So us independent devs could easily sell stuff for the first time ever on Windows."
Erm, web host and a paypal merchant account? I hear Valve have this distribution thingumijigger too, something about water vapour, if you don't mind requiring a malware installation in order to use the games.
Or maybe you want something like this?
Though I still don't see what the problem is with a web host and a paypal account.
> Though I still don't see what the problem is with a web host and a paypal account.
Yes, that's what I do at the moment. It means that:
- there is no central store where people can go look for your apps
- users must have a PayPal account or go through all the pain of entering credit card details, their address, phone number etc...
- there's no way to push out updates
I don't think it's any surprise that the Apple and Android AppStores have been so successful for developers and customers and I just don't get why MS hasn't followed suit. My guess is that they assumed that Windows 8 would be such a massive success that they didn't need to bother with Windows 7.
"- there is no central store where people can go look for your apps"
You mean the Internet? Or one of the walled gardens where your app is buried under 400,000 others? A "central store" is not an advantage here.
"- users must have a PayPal account or go through all the pain of entering credit card details, their address, phone number etc..."
No more of a bind than creating a Play Store, Apple, or Steam account? I already mentioned Steam by the way.. that's the water-vapour based malware from the previous post. And what about people who don't want to create an account and for whom tapping in a card number is sufficient?
Some people do not want one-click wallet depletion thankyou.
"- there's no way to push out updates"
You're going to put all of that effort into a game and not build in a patching mechanism? Plenty of others do.
"I don't think it's any surprise that the Apple and Android AppStores have been so successful for developers and customers "
So has the PC.
"and I just don't get why MS hasn't followed suit"
Because there's no need for it, unless you're turning a PC into a locked-down games console, which Microsoft seem to be trying hard to do with Windows 8.
Ah yes, before I forget, Paypal's integration is quite fully featured even before the recent upgrade plans I've heard about. Last time I set up merchant accounts, they had the facility to integrate them as merely a payment gateway, with your own systems managing the transactions, records and CRM stuff. You need an SSL cert and a server that will respond to PayPal's requests in, if I recall, two seconds.
So you can get customers to create accounts with you, rather than Google, Valve or Paypal.. and you get all of that juicy data to yourself.
Or, alternatively, you can give it to an app store along with 30% of the game price. Your call.
Wrote :- "Love the open minded people I find here on El Reg! ... I dabbled with Win8 just to keep an open mind on what's going on out there in the big, wide world!"
I suggest you read the GP post again. He said that he HAD tried Win8 and did not like it. Sounds open-minded enough to me.
I remember once setting up a proxy with forced infinite TTL for the entire microsft.com domain and 10gb cache and running windows update just once. You could drool in delight watching 50 odd pcs running wu all at once but the wan link flat dead. Kludgy as hell, but effective. Back in xp sp3 era...
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