Samsung demands Apple's iOS 6 source code in patent case In the latest chapter in the ongoing global patent litigation between Apple and Samsung, the South Korean company has asked a local court to grant it access to the source code to iOS 6, claiming that only the code will tell whether Apple infringed its patents. According to a report in The Korea Times on Friday, Apple's legal …
Samsung doesn't actually get to see any of the source code. The way these things usually work is that a neutral 3rd party will be tasked with determining if the code violates the patent, after all the suitable NDA are signed of course. And normally the code is stored on a physically secure machine that is not connected to any network to prevent any hack attempts.
I would consider this appropriate in copyright infringement cases, but in this case it's about patents. If it is not clear by looking at the device black-box wise whether a patent is even being infringed, said patent paper should be used as canine fecal removement tool and the USPTO doofus who granted it should be GITMOed for aggravated asshattery.
Destroy All Monsters, your test for worthiness of a patent would eliminate a shit ton of hard work from patent protection while maintaining it for land-grabs and rounded corners.
How about methods of write levelling on SSDs, object tracking, recovering signal loss due to multipathing in radio communication? I could go on and on. With a black-box approach you can tell someone else's product is doing a good job or not, or even if it is attaining similar performance to your method, but you can't tell if they are infringing your clever method of doing it.
If you don't reject the patent system entirely, then this sort of discovery is a necessary consequence.
Remember who is asking for this (and making lots of money)- It's lawyers versus lawyers. Both sides employ them so they might as well get some use out of them. And I'm sure both sides have some form of war chest to cover the costs of the 40 ongoing cases, and it's a fraction of their profit.
You might as well hand them over the keys to your house and let them sleep with your mother, girlfriend, sister and wife.I think not........ LarsG Posted Friday 25th January 2013 21:00 GMT
Notwithstanding what you may think, LarsG, do you think the request, which apparently is not unprecedented, and may even be quite usual in such cases, has spooked some insider trading and parasitic profit making?...... Apple's Flash Dump In The Last Second Of Trading Caught On Tape
Or is there another good reason for that ........
Ok .... who's realising that Blackberry 10 [launch date Jan 30th] is the new superkid on the block? And what would constitute and precipitate a flash crash?.... on a rigged and rigging market platform with dodgy HFT algorithms which are vulnerable to ...... well, let us just say more expert chaos source manipulation.
Welcome to the Greater Great IntelAIgent Game and Devilishly Heavenly ARG MetaPhorical Play ..... Virtual ShowTime.
"DUH! this is about patents registered in the USA!"
DUH! did you read the article? It clearly states "the South Korean company has asked a local court to grant it access to the source code to iOS 6". Local to South Korea is not the USA. If that's not enough for you, click the report which tells you specifically which South Korean court it is.
OK g.marconi, if you want to apply Sharia law to the "conflict" between Apple and Samsung; one way to make it more interesting would be to apply Sharia punishment also.
Now, what is the the Sharia punishment for "theft"??
Perhaps it can be applied to the CEOs of both companies, starting with the CEO of Apple.
Nexus 4 is all very nice but I've lost track of the number of calls I've missed while trying to take off my gloves to answer the bloody phone. Soft buttons might be great for the Beach Boys but here in northern Europe it gets a bit chilly and I really miss that magic green physical button. It is not like the space is used for any other function either...
While I appreciate your frustration, which I shared till recently I must inform you that there are gloves out there (both thermal and work) that have a small patch of conducting material on the thumb and index finger ends.
Of course it's a pain and an unnecessary cost but when you next go for a pair of gloves keep it in mind.
Now, you are wandering into a real "dirty tricks" scenario there!!!!
Imagine, for a moment, Sammy using some proxies to slowly buy up Apple stock while it sits in the tank. Then when sufficient stock is held by the proxies, stage a takeover. First act of the new "owner" - boot Apple's C level suite right out the door.
Karma - best served without any warning.
"and Apple will be suing them, claiming that they invented the fridge and microwave."
Actually Apple invented cold. Um, and hot. So I guess until Apple came along everything was, like, the same temperature? Uh, yeah, sounds right*.
* You may believe that ranges of temperature existed before Apple invented them, indeed you may even have seen science fiction movies that predicted the basics of things not all being the same temperature many years ago. Perhaps, at your most erroneous, you may believe that you yourself owned thermometers that indicate that others had considered the concept of temperature ranges to not only exist but in fact be blindingly obvious, years before Apple's invention. However, I spoke to twelve people in East Texas on the subject (one of whom was an "inventor" himself) and they tell me that you're wrong.
"Give it 3-4 years and Samsung will be back making pretty average fridges and microwaves."
...along with the oil tankers, power stations, hospitals, heavy construction equipment, insurance, theme parks, department stores, and jet engines. Seriously, mobile hadsets are just one part of an electronics division which is one small part of a highly diversified industrial behemoth...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
I suspect they'll be around considerably longer than Apple.
You have me with:
If thou hath such, please find the L key on thy keyboard.
Now, move two keys to thy right.
Now, rip that key off of thy keyboard and cast it from thine presence.
On my QWERTY keyboard, the key 2 keys to the right of the L key is the ' / " key. Now, why would I want to get rid of it??? It comes in handy when I create BASH scripts.
> If memory serves me correct IBM gave them print outs as no specific format had been requested.
Nope. IBM gave them servers.
SCO had IBM's AIX source code in an easily-searchable form. THe reason they found no infringement is that there was no infringement to be found...
Vic.
>have every reason to believe Samsung use the infinite monkey approach to writing code.
Seems to be the case in most companies but especially in companies outside of western Europe and North American. First thing comp sci majors need to learn when going out in the real world is never reuse code off the internet from someone whose last name contains more than 15 consonants.
Don't you just hate it when a typed word just looks wrong? Neither, Niether, breaks rule i before e yada... moving on.
Vastly amused by comments this morning - there is a high volume of generational 'there was nothing before this product' folks out, especially concerning these products. Funny how that is, what ever you, personally, grew up with, that was the pinnacle of whatever it was, and has gone down ever since.
Ya'll have fun, I'm off to figure out why we can finish a quest we started in EverQuest last night/this morning (Vergalid Mines if you must know) and will toss off a prayer to those people at RIM that they know what they are doing and produce a good 'un with BB10.
;)
and going delightfully off topic:
I learned the rhyme as "i before e except after c or when sounded like A as in neither or weigh"
Now, I have no clue who on earth says "Nayt-her"-- I do know people who say nigh-ther. And what about weird? Probably this all made sense at one point when germanic influences on English pronunciation were stronger, but it seems an overhaul to the mnemonic is overdue. How about: "i before e/except when you see/some long since dead guy/placed e before i" ?
I wonder if Apple really anticipated such a vigorous response from Samsung in courts worldwide?
I wonder how much it is costing Apple to switch CPU's and switch to a different memory supplier?
I wonder how anxious Samsung will be to have Apple be among the first customers for it's (possibly game changing) new flexible screen tech?
I wonder how Apple management feels now that their lawyers have made them look ridiculous with their crazed patent claims?
I wonder what it is like to be the most avaricious company (Apple) in tech? (and that is saying something given Intel's near monopoly in some market segments)
I wonder how all the Apple fanbois would feel if Microsoft/Intel acted like Apple is acting?
Apple = Stifle Innovation
"Apple and Samsung are currently embroiled in more than 40 lawsuits in the US, Europe, Asia, and Australia, as each tries to use the courts to gain market advantage over the other"
And who's paying for all this. Maybe if they stopped all these stupid, pointless law suits which cost millions, they wouldn't have to charge such ridiculous prices for the bloody phones in the first place. Ultimately its us, the muggins, that pay for these bloody expensive lawyers.
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