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Germany's largest commercial broadcaster is getting out of broadcasting, on Earth at least, citing spiralling costs and an uncertain future as mobile phone operators grab all the good spectrum. Broadcasting on Germany's terrestrial platform apparently costs "many times" what satellite transmissions do, and with satellite and …


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  1. Dave Rickmers
    Big Brother

    This is very shortsighted

    The People own the spectrum and deserve vibrant free TV in return. No matter how much UHF spectrum you give to mobile, it will never be enough. WiFi is the future of broadband portable, not mobile spectrum.

    In the USA our free TV is getting bigger, despite the FCC constant whining about spectrum. The US Gov't is sitting on tons of unused spectrum, as is AT&T. We like our TV without gatekeepers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This is very shortsighted

      "WiFi is the future of broadband portable, not mobile spectrum."

      When even city centre properties are still throttled to 2002 speeds by ancient copper wires, it makes you wonder.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @AC, 15:27

        "When even city centre properties are still throttled to 2002 speeds by ancient copper wires, it makes you wonder."

        Oh yes, here I am desperately troubled by copper wires, in my town centre property, with my 80Mb down/20Mb up broadband running over...copper wires (for part of the way anyway, but that's no different to cable).

        Ironically, the slowest part of my network is my wireless network - my n-capable wireless network, hampered by the 30+ wireless networks I can see around me, all vying for the same space. I'm lucky if I get more than 2Mb most of the time.

        1. Irongut

          @AC, 18:49

          That's nice for you but here I sit in my just outside city centre property with 12Mb down/1Mb up and that's the best I can get. Despite being the city with the largest population in my part of the UK, 30 minutes walk from the city centre and with lots of businesses in the area there's no fibre, no cable and I can't even get the 20Mb broadband I was sold even though I'm less than 1km from the exchange.

          And when are BT going to install FTTC? That's anybody's guess because they've been puching the date back 3 months, every 3 months for the last year.

        2. Arnold Lieberman

          Re: @AC, 15:27

          Move to the 5GHz band then, at least for your laptop/PC usage. Plenty of non-overlapping channels and hardly anyone uses 802.11a/n kit in residential settings. Of course, most smartphones and tablets only do 2.4GHz, but a separate network on channel 13 should do for them.

    2. Annihilator

      Re: This is very shortsighted

      "The People own the spectrum and deserve vibrant free TV in return"

      Sadly, they usually receive vibrant-free TV instead.. :-|

    3. Joseph Lord

      Re: This is very shortsighted

      The main German channels are FtA on satellite and included in basic packages on cable that are often included with rent. Many TV's can receive cable (DVB-C) and satellite (DVB-S2) without needing a set top box. The satellite service is really quite FtA although a (fairly cheap) pay platform was being started for HD a couple of years ago I haven't followed it's progress. It was planned that there would be Conditional Access Modules which can be inserted into European TVs to provide these services without the cost of a set top box.

  2. bill 36

    what i'd like to know is

    How Freesat is getting away with moving channels to the new Astra 4E satellite which has transponders that are very closely focused on the UK when the EU directive...cut and paste...says

    The Directive establishes the principle that Member States must ensure freedom of reception and that they may not restrict retransmission on their territory of television programmes from other Member States.

    Astra 4d was bad enough but methinks they are getting away with this.

    As for all the unofficial Sky subscribers that live in France and Spain, they are going to be well pissed off if Sky follows suit.

    1. Malcolm 5

      Re: what i'd like to know is

      Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see why that directive is relevant?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: what i'd like to know is

      The Directive establishes the principle that Member States must ensure freedom of reception and that they may not restrict retransmission on their territory of television programmes from other Member States.

      The weasel word in there is "restrict". Nobody's "restricting" retransmission, but then almost nobody's bothering to do it, more's the pity.

      Anyhow, as regards those satellites. Do you mean 2D and 2E rather than 4D and 4E? Looking at the footprint maps, the spot beam on the new 2E bird looks much the same as that on 2D, which is obtainable most places in Europe with an appropriately[1] sized dish.

      [1] YMMV. Some people do not regard having a 2.1m dish in the back garden as "appropriate"......

      1. Blane Bramble

        Re: what i'd like to know is

        At a quick glance, that directive seems to be more in the other direction, i.e. the UK won't stop others broadcasting into it's territory if they want to.

      2. bill 36

        Re: what i'd like to know is

        oops, yes i meant 2d and 2e.

        2f is the new temporary satellite which is also very tightly focused and which 4hd, 5 and various other channels have already moved to.

        1. Michael Habel

          Re: what i'd like to know is

          Which well and truly sucks as I can only get these Channels intermittently now, and the Signal is at best very weak. given the times I can receive them. In Frankfurt Germany.

          Never had a problem getting those Channels before December last year.

      3. bill 36

        Re: what i'd like to know is

        "Member States must ensure freedom of reception"..... Thats clearly not happening!

        The "restriction" part of it comes into play when you try and access bbc or itv content without a vpn using a UK ip address.

        Thats also against the directive.

        I guess my point is that RTL is available widely anyway on satellite or cable but that the UK giants are deliberately "restricting freedom of reception" which is supposed to be illegal.

        How are they getting away with it is my question?

        1. JohnG

          Re: what i'd like to know is

          "The "restriction" part of it comes into play when you try and access bbc or itv content without a vpn using a UK ip address."

          That directive isn't talking about the BBC, ITV or other broadcasters restricting how or to whom their content is broadcast. The directive says that member states must not prevent the retransmission of other member states's TV channels e.g. watching BBC World on a TV in a hotel in Germany.

          Luckily for those living away from their home country, there are some other directives and clarifications from the EU regarding rights to access broadcasts in one's native language and to use services via a satellite dish. This allows (within reason) expats to have a dish sized to receive TV from their homeland.

    3. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: what i'd like to know is

      Nothing to "get away with". The Télévision sans Frontières" directive forbids member states from preventing citizens from watching any foreign TV that they happen to pick up, i.e. by jamming or banning aerials/dishes. Contrary to popular belief there is nothing in it which requires broadcasters to make their transmissions available even over the whole of their national territory, never mind beyond it.

    4. Joseph Lord

      Re: what i'd like to know is

      That clause says that the states (governments) can't stop people broadcasting content from other countries (e.g. jamming or banning ownership of suitable receivers). It does not prevent any commercial organisation cannot decide to target particular territories or that content producers must grant broadcasters full European rights if they grant any rights.

    5. Michael Habel

      Re: what i'd like to know is

      By that argument...

      Why are the Austrian (i.e. ORF Astra 1 19.2°E), and Swiss (SRF, TSI, RSI & RTS 13.0°E) Broadcasters then encrypted in Cryptowrks, and Viacces?

      Unless I'm much mistaken there's not much difference here between these and say the ARD (Obligatory German PayTV), and say the BBC (Obligatory British PayTV). Other then the fact that the BBC usually has something worth watching on it.

  3. Alan 6

    "It's like ITV leaving Freeview"

    So no great loss then...

    1. JetSetJim

      Especially since they started trying to get you to sign up with an account so they can charge you for their back catalogue, interlinking the "catchup" and this catalogue so you can't find anything you might want to watch (there are filters, yes, but they didn't work last time I tried). Instead you get drowned in old, unremarkable shows that they are attempting to "monetize".

      Perhaps it is a sign of the times for commercial TV - with a bit of luck X-IceFactor-Out-Of-Here will be removed from our view

      1. Greg 16

        @ JetSetJim

        You mean removed from your view.

        The programs you mention are some of the most popular shows in the country. Are you hoping that other people can't watch them, purely because you prefer not to watch them?

        And what's your problem with "commercial TV"? I'm pretty sure that you'll find that all the "commercial" shows that you hate so much have all be quickly copied by the BBC - but funded from their TV tax whether you like it or not.

        Commercial TV will die when people stop watching. The BBC has no such concerns due to "the unique way" they are funded.

        1. JetSetJim

          Re: @ JetSetJim

          You seem to be equating "popular" with "good". While a bunch of these programs in their original form did actually offer some entertainment value, they have since descended in objective to cater to the lower entertainment values - mostly involving mocking disillusioned members of the public/celebrity set and cashing in on premium rate phone number voting systems.

          I don't have a problem with commercial TV, nor do I have a problem with the TV license. Good content appears on both and I try and watch it without any adverts at a time that suits me. More good stuff (by my metrics) seems to be churned out by the beeb, IMHO.

          The main issue is the increase in capabilities of TV's and media servers means that the whole model of TV is shifting towards on-demand services rather than broadcast. If the broadcast stuff is only there so folks can record it and watch it later, then it makes no sense to broadcast it if the network has capacity to take the load of streaming it.

          Lots of caveats, and it's probably more of a long term prediction, but it's the future of entertainment, I reckon. The over-the-air broadcast model is crumbling.

          1. Greg 16

            Re: @ JetSetJim

            "You seem to be equating "popular" with "good"."

            Erm no, I'm equating "good" with "subjective".

  4. envmod

    70s pr0n

    RTL used to be great for late night soft pr0n in the early 90s when i was just a wee lad and staying 'round my mate's house who had sky. it was all pr0n from the 70s of course. plenty of bush. oh the bush...

    *revels in the memories*

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      plenty of bush

      But fortunately no Gorbachev.

      1. auburnman

        Re: plenty of bush

        The beauty of that post is that it could be a pun OR a euphemism. For what, I don't (want to) know.

  5. Lee Dowling Silver badge

    Broadcast TV is dying anyway, over any service. The fact is that cable, for example, can offer interactive and on-demand TV which DVB-T can't. Sure, YouView would have you believe the opposite but that's basically a cheat using an Internet connection (the DVB-T side of it is entirely inconsequential).

    And after DVB-T, DVB-S (satellite) is the next candidate for removal anyway. The one-way nature is on its way out. I no longer wait for scheduled programs to appear on broadcast services. I tell my TV what to watch and watch it (manually or automatically). The stuff on 4oD is some of the best of Channel 4's archives. I'd rather watch that when I like than just about anything they show at the fixed times they've decided upon. Same for even iPlayer. Many's the time I've read about something interesting on BBC and then watched it on iPlayer the next night, 24 hours after it stopped showing.

    Gone are the days where we revolve around the TV schedule. My ex-father-in-law talks about the days when Hancock was on TV and all the pubs would empty to go and watch it. Those days are pretty much gone. Now they go TO the pub with a recording of it (whether time-shifted, or whatever) so they don't miss out on either. Or watch it AFTER coming home from the pub, long after it's finished.

    Broadcast TV is dead. It's just a question of when everyone notices. Cable can survive because it *can* offer on-demand viewing. The satellite version of the same really relies on huge amounts of bandwidth showing movies at enough staggered times that you can watch at a more convenient time (or some kind of Internet connection anyway). The terrestrial TV could never have coped with it, just by the way the technology works.

    I'll be glad when I don't see TV listings published in papers. I give it until my daughter gets to my age, at the outside.

    1. Zmodem

      buy a decent tv, and put a 32gb + mem stick in the USB, and you can record tv programs, by pressing the record button on the remote or scheduling

      1. Zmodem

        and also lets you fastward and rewind live tv

        1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

          > and also lets you fastward and rewind live tv

          Fastforward live TV? That I'd pay for. Especially during the Grand National.

          1. Zmodem

            Fastforward live TV? That I'd pay for. Especially during the Grand National.

            tv`s buffer a set amount of hours that is set in the main menu when a USB stick has been registered, you can pause tv, rewind it, and then fastwarded it, while recording,

            they dont record when they are on standby, and most only record the channel your watching

      2. Anonymous Coward

        @Zmodem - recording TV programs

        For some reason I never thought to see if my TV could record via USB, so you prodded me into seeing if it worked. I now have a use for that cheap 2TB drive I picked up in Comet.

        Thanks for that. Have one of these:

        1. Kubla Cant

          Re: @Zmodem - recording TV programs

          My experience was just the opposite. I chose my Samsung TV because it was supposed to be able to record to USB. The TV's embedded handbook appeared to confirm this, although I couldn't be certain because it's in Korenglish .

          After trying a variety of USB devices, both solid state and spinning rust, I contacted the Samsung helpline to find out what I was doing wrong. "Your TV does not have that feature" came the answer.

          1. Zmodem

            Re: @Zmodem - recording TV programs

            it says nothing about USB recording at all on my tv, it is not a smart tv using android and capable of plug n play devices

            a USB key ring mem stick should work in all tv`s, with a 32gb stick you can have them mini so you never see them sticking out the side of the tv

    2. Jon Press

      The evidence is to the contrary

      The number of hours people watched "linear TV" was higher in 2011 (latest year for which I can find figures) than ever.

      There are an awful lot of people who don't have catch-up/on-demand TV (or even adequate Internet connections) - plenty of older people can't even use an EPG and still rely on the Radio Times to guide their viewing.

      And it would be wrong to assume that a lot of TV viewing is elective - much of it is little more than looking at scenery out of the train window.

      Linear TV isn't going away any time soon - and if it did, it would pretty much be the end of new programming: people would stick to the archive stuff with recognisable titles. Even broadcast TV isn't going anywhere until cable is more than a metropolitan phenomenon (which, notably, it is in Germany).

      1. This Side Up

        Re: The evidence is to the contrary

        "And it would be wrong to assume that a lot of TV viewing is elective - much of it is little more than looking at scenery out of the train window."

        I don't waste a good train journey by "looking at the scenery" I'll have you know. I'm observing the railway and its environs!

        Anyway the big advantage with broadcast tv is that you can record it and keep the recording indefinitely. You can't do that with iPlayer unless you record it in analogue on your VCR or use special software.

    3. the spectacularly refined chap

      Gone are the days where we revolve around the TV schedule. My ex-father-in-law talks about the days when Hancock was on TV and all the pubs would empty to go and watch it. Those days are pretty much gone.

      This is often claimed but as has already been noted it is not backed up by real evidence. It always strikes me as new toy syndrome: this is a relatively new development, but I'm watching more TV this way that I did when it didn't exist or was less convenient, so if follows that some day all my TV viewing will be done this way. It ignores the way people actually watch their televisions.

      When people think about the TV programmes they watch they invariably think of the so-called "appointment television" shows - the kind of thing people will go out of their way to watch and keep their diary free to watch. It tends to be a relatively small proportion of people's real viewing. Some of that can be timeshifted, some can't. The rest of the schedule is not things that people actually want to watch but watch because they are on. Those are not going to be timeshifted.

      Look at today's prime time schedule for the main British TV channels. Who is going to make a special effort to specifically watch Heir Hunters or Jaguars Born Free on BBC2? Inside Out on BBC1? Cornwall with Caroline Quentin on ITV1? Wild Things on 4? These will all get tens or hundreds of thousands of viewers simply because they happen to be on. In twelves months time few will remember even having watched them.

      There's the soaps - Emmerdale, Eastenders and a double dose of Corrie - that people will make an effort to see. Those could be timeshifted but only to a limited extent - people will want to have seen those by tomorrow for those round-the-water-cooler discussions. Similarly, Miranda, Mrs Brown's Boys or Celebrity Big Brother all have loyal followings but again people don't want to miss out on those discussions at work the following day. Then you have the stuff that follows a very definite natural schedule. Do you want to watch a random match from last year's FA cup third round? Or even the lunchtime news at 7pm?

      In short, the schedule isn't going anywhere. Just because everything may be available on catch-up doesn't mean that people actually want to watch it.

      1. MJI Silver badge

        re. the spectacularly refined chap

        Actually some of these wallpaper programmes have a lot of viewers.

        I like Cornwall with Caroline Quentin as it is filmed in an area I know VERY well (relations and holidays), I never miss Great British Railway Journeys, but never watch soaps

    4. Tom 35

      I'll be glad when I don't see TV listings published in papers.

      I expect the papers might be gone first...

    5. Alan Brown Silver badge

      "And after DVB-T, DVB-S (satellite) is the next candidate for removal anyway. The one-way nature is on its way out. "

      One-way makes a lot of sense for scheduled stuff and things that a lot of people want to watch at once (like live events). Even Negroponte made that point 20 years ago (If you read "Being Digital", you should also ready Clifford Stoll's "Silicon Snake Oil")

      Multicast would fill some of the holes. but not enough of them - and ISP support for Mbone has been effectively non-existant for years anyway.

    6. Joseph Lord

      @Lee Dowling

      There is a saying about the bandwidth of a station wagon of tapes and I have a similar one for broadcast. "Don't underestimate the delivered bandwidth of 5 million homes all receiving the same broadcast signal." At 5Mbps that would be 25Tbps sustained.

      Now those numbers only happen at mass live events - Olympics 100m, World Cup Finals etc. but for anything that gets 1 million viewers (live or recording) is very efficiently served by broadcast. Over time it would make sense to have less but higher quality channels broadcast and using the internet for more niche content (all the crap on Freeview) but broadcast still has life in it for a good while.

      And as others say *most* people don't actually use/want on demand. They like having things just there to choose from and not too much choice either. You and I like our On Demand content but to an extent I can sympathize with the majority having spent 30 minutes picking what to watch on Netflix on occasions. You may be right about the next generation, my son barely understands the concept of TV channels and schedules as we just keep a stockpile of things recorded and use Netflix/Lovefilm so it will be interesting but I am not yet convinced that model will die.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: @Lee Dowling

        > At 5Mbps that would be 25Tbps sustained.

        Until (if) the broadcasters and ISPs finally get the hang of multicast.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    As long as my RTL F1 broadcasts are still FTA

    All is good... I can live happy without the dirty feeling of lining Murdoch's evil pockets.

  7. Zog The Undeniable

    Small problem with satellite

    Freesat, as opposed to Freeview, has some channels missing (e.g. Dave). This is apparently because half of western Europe can receive Freesat but only the UK and a bit of Belgium can receive Freeview, hence there are international licensing and royalty issues at stake.

    There was the odd thing on the "free to air" channels over Christmas that we couldn't see because we're on satellite (old Sky digiboxes, no subscription).

    1. dotdavid

      Re: Small problem with satellite

      I had heard that Sky had the exclusive satellite broadcast rights to UKTV's channels, although the truth is it's probably a bit of both stopping the channels appearing on Freesat. A shame.

    2. DrXym

      Re: Small problem with satellite

      Freesat points at the same satellites as Sky. But some of the satellites have a tighter footprint around the British Isles. It may be that Dave or other channels are just waiting for a slot to free up. Astra is launching more satellites to increase HD capacity but channels still have to wait their turn. Or maybe they're comfortable to be in the Sky package.

      Anyway I think Freesat is pretty decent and getting better. Biggest issue is some of the Freesat boxes still have pretty ropey user interfaces.

    3. Steve Graham

      Re: Small problem with satellite

      Freeview is available over much of Ireland as well. I'd heard that unavailablity of some Freeview channels on Freesat was more a matter of thrashing out commercial disputes than directly about licensing and overspill.

      Irish TV on satellite has chosen to address the issue of licensed material by adopting Ka-band transmissions rather than K-band, because the higher frequencies can be focussed into a tighter beam, covering Ireland only.

      Unfortunately, this means buying a new (less-common, therefore expensive) LNB and installing a new cable for it.

      (I'm in Northern Ireland. I can receive Irish DVB-T both on the local Freeview broadcast and directly from across the border. I get RTL from satellite!)

  8. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    It's not over until the fat lady sings

    Here in Germany TV is extremely political. The private companies have always moaned about how much they have to pay to be received on anything but satellite but in the end they have gone along with all the requirements. Licences are awarded on a per state basis, so in order to be able to broadcast in Bavaria, RTL had to set up the headquarters of one of its channels in Munich. If it looks like the costs for DVB-T are going to be borne by the public channels I can see the commercials being forced to pay whether they're on board or not - there is a similar argument going on about cable at the moment. Not that the commercial channels will be much of a loss anyway as they are really crap. German TV is, in general dire, with the most common refrain of my demographic being "oh, there's usually something good on ARTE…". Think of Channel 5 on a bad day and then roll it in shit and leave it to fester for a couple of years. The private channels here are suffering long term from being spectacularly uninventive and largely indistinguishable.

    If they do get dropped from DVB-T it might leave room for some more interesting channels such as the Dutch and Belgian public broadcasters - even public access would be better than the commercial channels! Or HD. I've no idea why there are so few channels here on DVB-T and none in HD.

    1. bill 36

      Re: It's not over until the fat lady sings

      I agree Charlie, thats why i like Freesat.

      Sadly there appears to be a few BBC or ITV employees on this forum that want to down vote the facts.

      Fact is, Astra 2e will be deliberately tightly focused on the UK, much tighter than 2d is now, under the ploy that it will provide a stronger signal to the north of the UK.

      It seems likely that in Bavaria, a dish size of 2.5 metres or more will be required where as 1.5 metres is enough at the minute.

      1.5 metres is "reasonable" in my opinion.

      There is more to this than meets the eye.

  9. Tom 35

    I can see that coming in Canada too

    Cable, satellite, cell phones, internet are largely owned by the same companies in each region (Bell, Rogers, Tellus). So for them Free TV = Bad. Better to use the bandwidth for cell phones and force everyone onto cable or satellite where they can also have the chance to charge them for pay per view and sign them up for extra subscription movie/ sports channels. There will be no local TV, just network TV running out of the big city centres.

  10. Trollslayer

    Oddly enough

    DTT isn't that popular in Germany, particularly Munich.

    The reason for this is many modern blocks of flats were built with cable infrastructure in place and cable fees are built into the rent to get discounted rates.

    In such cases who isn't going to use it and restrict themselves to the free DTT channels?

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    memories of when I had Sky

    and the flicking through the German channels to see if there was anything on, and then generally wasn't.

    There was the slight amusement of foreign adverts, the consternation at the choice of voices used for dubbing US shows such as Hill Street Blues, and the occasional flash of tits late on a Friday night.

  12. Mage Silver badge

    Satellite or Cable?

    Death of portable / transportable / ad hoc TV reception.

    Outside Cities and major towns is rarely cabled

    Satellite is precarious.

    Why are they allowed to do this?

    1. Greg 16

      Re: Satellite or Cable?

      "Satellite is precarious."

      Is it really any more precarious than terrestrial TV?

      1. Gavin King

        Re: Satellite or Cable?

        I suspect that what Mage is getting at is that it is a sight easier to get to a terrestrial transmitter in case of breakage than it is to get to a satellite.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Makes sense. Pretty inefficient that a one-to-many broadcast like television should go around hogging valuable swarths of wireless spectrum that could be better used to provide interactive one-to-one links. Satellite and cable broadcasting makes much more sense for a medium like television. Fair play to the Germans for noticing and rooting out this inefficiency.

  14. Dan Paul

    This what happens when Corporations own public infrastructure.

    We need to globally make all TV to be broadcast over satellite, all Internet & Telephone over Cable/Fiber, leave Radio the hell alone and mandate everyone uses the same standards so people can buy and own their receiving equipment and pay for the services/channels they choose to receive ala cart.

    Then each CHANNEL or SERVICE becomes it own profit center and they each pay to defray the cost of shared public infrastructure as well as the consumer.

    The beauty of such a system is that truly crap TV channels would soon be dropped. You would have to keep so called "public channels" for information applications but quality of content and the customer will then dictate which channels and shows remain in the lineup by "free market" consumerism.

  15. Mage Silver badge


    More like C5 leaving DTT?

  16. sequester
    Thumb Up

    We call that TV corp "Asocial TV"

    Other names are "Unemployment TV" or "Hartz 4 TV" (after unemployment legislation forcing people into poverty).

    Those channels exist purely because people love to see that there's always someone at least a thousand times more stupid and asocial than themselves.

    All things considered, it's rather a gain to the spectrum.

  17. Joseph Lord

    DTT has about 5% of market in Germany

    Compared with almost 50% (counting second TVs) in the UK. Germans nearly all use cable or satellite. In many homes basic cable is included with the rent. Analogue was the same way. Belgium and the Netherlands also have very little terrestrial use although there is some.

    I don't think that there is really any useful precedent for the UK in this. The closest equivalent would be if ITV removed themselves from Freesat with it's about 1M homes and went Sky, Freeview and Virgin only except RTL's cost saving is probably larger than ITVs would be (if you don't count any bonus from Sky paying them not to be on Freesat). It isn't like removing themselves from Freeview which is main TV service for about 10M homes and used as a secondary service in another few million.

    [All numbers all approximate as knowing them is no longer important to my job. Ofcom market surveys are very useful for the UK, I don't know of any freely available data for Germany but it may exist.]

  18. jonfr

    Spectrum used by mobile

    I always find it interesting that mobile companies claim to need more spectrum. They already got plenty now. They have at least this here in Europe. I am not sure about this status in other parts of the world.

    450Mhz (CDMA2000)

    800Mhz (LTE)

    850Mhz - Not used in Europe for mobile.

    900Mhz (3G/GSM/LTE)

    1700Mhz - Not used in Europe for mobile.

    1800Mhz (GSM/LTE)

    1900Mhz (3G) - Limited usage in Europe.

    2100Mhz (3G)

    2600Mhz (LTE)

    I do not understand why they need more spectrum. They got a lot already to work with. What they need to start doing is to remove old service like GSM (2G) that is mostly just voice and not data.

    There is future for DVB-T/T2. As many people do not want cable tv, satellite tv. They just want to use normal antenna to get the needed tv signal. Many people do have internet. But the tv service costs extra (as always). Cable costs extra. Getting a signal over antenna does not cost extra. Unless it is encrypted. But encrypted signals can be ignored.

    As for me. I am going to cancel my subscription. I am going to focus more on buying dvd and blu-ray disks in the future. It is better and I am free of the tv ads that cut the shows when on the tv channels. I am going to setup an antenna out in my garden. Where I can get DR1/2/3 for free. Along with few german channels that I get. As I am living just about 960 meters (where it is shortest distance) away from the Denmark/German border.

  19. John Smith 19 Gold badge

    A schedule is something to build around.

    A nominal time allows people to make decisions and gives advertisers a nominal demographic that they are looking for.

    Otherwise how would find what shows you want to watch?

    Choose a channel? They don't exist anymore.

    Choose a time? But that's become irrelevant.

    And have it delivered by a cable dedicated to doing this . WTF?

    There's a reason that telephones were not developed as radio systems and television was not first delivered to subscribers by land lines.

    One works better point to point, one works better 1 to many. While people's use of telephone services has changed to take advantage of mobile services has television use really changed that much to justify that bandwidth?

  20. jjk

    RTL is on DVB-T?

    Not where I live (near Stuttgart). Has never been.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Germans can always be relied upon... come up with the wrong answer, having exhausted all of the better alternatives,

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