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The US is planning a legal assault on the international hacking community and the companies – and governments – that use IP stolen from America. John Carlin, the principal deputy assistant attorney general in the US Department of Justice’s national security division told Defense News that the DOJ was training over 100 special …


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  1. Paul McClure


    Having a 'white hat' organization to protect infrastructure, government systems seems prudent. Using the same to boost about protecting IP seems like a reach. It would be nice if the Justice department could train staff to actually proceed with copious war crimes, fraud and sleight of hand relating the the economic downturn, etc. It's stunning to hear that the odd IP download is the nations biggest problem.

    1. LarsG

      Re: Wow?

      They will of course only go for the ones they don't like, Israel will be safe, the UK will be stuffed.

  2. Tom 35

    I'm surprised

    they are not using Kim Dotcom as an example of how it will work...

  3. Ole Juul

    Shady characters

    . . . including the FBI, Homeland Security, and NSA.

    Pretty rough crowd that.

    "I'll give you a prediction,” he said. "Now that we are having people look at bringing one of these cases, it's there to be brought, and you'll see a case brought."

    And this guy is definitely looking for a fight.

  4. JaitcH

    Sounds like horses and barn doors

    You have wonder what Holder, the US A-G has for brains.

    The idea is stop people stealing the goodies, rather than prosecuting them, which implies a criminal charge. And since the US has domain only after it's own courts, They don't usually give prior notice, either, which is the idea behind the sealed indictment.

    Of course, the US hasn't time for the niceties of law, ask the Canadians how many times US law enforcement has come over the border - even kidnapping people and taking them back to the US (only to have to release them)..

    As we all too well know, now, there are many governments only to happy to let their citizens be 'renditioned', including Britain under bLIAR, and most likely would happen again under Mad May, the Home Secretary.

    Of course, the US government has full access to Sabre and Galileo reservation systems (Amadeus servers are in Europe) so they can sit back there in Washington seeing potential victims. Ask CHOY, Hon-Tim and Nick Leeson, both of whom were detained by the use of Res systems.

    Do you think Dot.Com is free to travel, irrespective of any restrictions imposed upon him? There are very few places he can travel without hitting a US-friendly country. Scrub Australia and HongKong. Maybe China? Land movements are the safest for miscreants - they can be done illegally without passports.

    What would be far more appropriate is for the US to actually implement some security so their goodies are protected.

  5. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    So pirates had better look out

    Unless they are Chinese

    or Russian

    or Isreali

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So pirates had better look out

      Indeed. The expression "good luck with that" comes to mind.

      But you don't think this is about hackers and internet troublemakers, do you? More likely a cover for the US to attack established foreign owned corporations for purely economic grounds,hoping to bog them down in US government funded litigation. Look at how they are busy fining foreign banks for manipulating LIBOR, but nobody has been fined for the near collapse of the global financial system caused by US banks financial incompetence and dishonesty.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How about...

    ...a counter-group hacking back for "orphaned works". Or a European group for pretty well every storyline Disney made their money on.

    This "It's OK because it's us Americans doing it" sit is getting pretty tired.

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  7. koolholio

    Oh noe!

    What if... and i say IF, it was proved that a disgruntled employee for their own services was the culprit, that would be like shooting yourself in the foot with something you made! Hillarious yet embarassing and im sure rather painful!?

    One might want to look at ones own population before taking such leaps and bounds with finger pointing, since all americans are the innocent parties ;-) Using the Karpman drama triangle, an american theory, the mask, kind of fits!?

    This is what I call Irony.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    "...if you can figure out and prove that they've committed the crime, charging the company means they can't do business in the US, or in Europe..."

    Whilst we all know that Murka says "jump" and the collected lickspittles of the EU say "how high?", it would have been nice of Mr. Carlin to keep up the pretence that we have some measure of autonomy, by not announcing in advance what action Europe will be taking as well.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: EU-phemistic

      Europe probably wouldn't care much for some schoolyard bully like the USA.

      USA has software patents, Europe does not. Cry me a river USA.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Team America...

    ...World Police.

  10. Bluenose

    And the first prosecution is......

    The CIA for the release in to the wild of Stuxnet. The claimant being Iraq.

    I think this could be a good laugh since the US are at least as much a threat to the rest of the world as they think everyone else is to them.

    1. NukEvil

      Re: And the first prosecution is......

      You mean Iran, correct?

      Explosion, because that's what happens when you jiggle a centrifuge, spinning at around 100k RPM, with a bit of software designed to break stuff.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Even governments could be in the line of fire*

    * with the exception of the government of China.

  12. Darkwolf

    I can just see how this will go....

    US government goes after "Company CHINA" in China for stealing "Company US" IP in the US and says that they wont be allowed to do business in the US.

    "Company CHINA" complains to Chinese Government about US harrassment.

    Chinese Government tells Foxconn that until "Company CHINA" can do business in the US, Foxonn can not do business with US companies.

    Apple complains to US government because they now can not get their newest iOS devices built and are severely affected.

    "Company CHINA" now no longer has to worry about the US government, "Company US" gets told "Sorry, nothing we can do".

  13. Version 1.0 Silver badge

    You don't need a weatherman ...

    "former FBI executive assistant director Shawn Henry said that foreign intelligence agencies and the hackers they use are the biggest threat the US faces, outside of a WMD attack."

    Bird flu, foot and mouth disease, financial collapse, gun violence, drug violence, poverty, income disparity, the San Andreas fault, mindless stupidity, party politics ...

    To a hammer, every problem is a nail ... and America has so many hammers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: You don't need a weatherman ...

      Just more smoke and mirrors.

      Business as usual then...

  14. Spanners Silver badge

    How about in the other direction?

    The US regularly corrupts international laws. They have damaged so badly that some things (Mickey Mouse for example) look set to never go out of copyright. American corporate profit margins regularly crowd out my statutory legal rights.

    How about the rest of the planet (the 96%) being able to combat criminal activities by people in the USA (the 4%). This would not only include big companies like Apple and MS (or even Google) but could include some of those 3 Letter Acronyms that kidnap people and transport them around the world with the connivance of criminals here?

  15. Stratman

    I'd love it if

    an early 'victim' of this were the Chinese manufacturers of ooh, let's see, how about an overpriced and overrated mobile telephone beloved of USA gadget freaks.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    "Whether it is a state-owned enterprise or a state-supported enterprise in China

    Can I be the first to say, America you're fucked, China has you by the balls and you better play nice otherwise they may start twisting them.

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