
It won't happen again
Well not now you're going to be inside for the next decade anyway.
A US man who hacked into the email accounts of celebrities including Scarlett Johansson and Mila Kunis and later leaked their nude photos has been sentenced to 10 years in prison. Former office clerk Christopher Chaney, who claims he was "addicted" to spying on celebrities' private lives, leaked naked pictures of the shlebs to …
doesn't that put it on a par with murder?
All I know is that it creates a nice precedent for when they catch Pierce Morgan, and I cannot deny I'm really, really looking forward to that. The blunt truth is that he broke the law and got punished for it. Given that they lost out McKinnon they will need some other people to make an example of, there are ever more idiots online who think that not being physically there when committing a crime is enough to keep you out of jail..
As I recall the accounts were on services such as hotmail and gmail. He requested password re-sets by answering security questions such as DoB, mother's maiden name, etc.
Once into the account he configured it to forward all e-mails to himself, so when the password was changed again by the legitimate user he continued to receive the e-mails. Which in turn gave him fresh celebrity e-mail addresses to play his trick on.
"on par with murder".
That entered my mind too. Of course, some celebrities seem to get less for murder.
I know this is complicated, and if there was an icon for "shut up" I would not post anything about this.
Still I think we must be in the middle of some nightmare caused by the law being behind the reality. (This is of course always true.) Still if a celebrity steps out of her house naked and is photographed by some paparazzi, then yes, there is a difference, but why do we believe that anything on our computer is behind the door if we haven't got a clue about how to keep the door shut. No answers only questions. And what in fact is the value of a nude picture, is it more or less, compared to, for instance, her medical data. Clearly it's wrong to enter anybody's computer, but still, 10 years. I would be still in prison had I been caught sneaking on naked girls on the beach as a kid. One post to be deleted, but still 10 years. It does not compute.
Well, it's a shorter sentence than first degree murder in the U.S. (you can get silly sentences of 300 years there) but it might as well be. You might get less jail time for a rape, though.
Others are watching this. When you start dealing out holier than thou, brimstone and fire, long sentences for non violent crimes, many crimes may just become violent to eliminate witnesses or potential snitches, as well as arresting officers. (look at drugs in the U.S., for example) Criminals might as well keep fighting, there's very little incentive to surrender and face the music.
America is a really nice place full of happy people.
...We remember a Man who thought nothing of his own freedom and instead sacrificed himself for the greater good of all mankind.
A man who looked inside, broke down barriers others thought insurmountable and revealed to all the true glory that we had all yearned for but never dared dream to experience.
Raise a glass to him.
Thank you Jesu...
WAIT WHAT?! SCARLETT'S JUBS?!? 10 YEARS?! <faints>
A BBC article about this affair contains a truly stupid quote from Holy Moly founder Jamie East: "If you don't want them online, don't take them".
No, what is private should remain private unless it serves society, but - as Leveson has shown - privacy laws are useless unless enforced and people get slung in jail.
This thus strikes me as a good start, from an unexpected corner..
I totally agree - if I had some photos of me naked on my front room table and someone managed to open the door to my house, even if it wasn't locked, then plastered them all over the Internet I would rightly be mighty narked. It doesn't change it if the photographs were stored in an online service.
Yes you'd be narked at how stupid you'd been for:
(a) Taking such photos
(b) Leaving them on the front room table, where your parents etc could have easily seen if they'd popped round, found the door open and just walked in!
(c) being the kind of tool that leaves your front door open.
The punishment for being so stupid is of course having your pics plastered around the internet.
Umm - if you think it's right to punish people for being stupid you really need to get your worldview adjusted.
To me, you only beat people over the head when they should know better, it's wrong to punish a cleaner for not being a rocket scientist.
It's a shame it's not listed as a Human Right, but I think we are all entitled to make the odd, possibly stupid mistake, and we should allow for others to do that. Otherwise, let a fault-free idiot throw the first stone - and thus declare himself a liar..
Actually the privacy laws are perfectly fine, the police just refused to enforce them until they had no choice in the matter. Everyone new that NotW and others were breaking the law but the police and the politicans stead fastly refused to do their jobs until the whole hacking Millie's phone.
No one gave two craps in the UK if celebrities phones or email or anything else was hacked because there's an over whelming opinion that Celebrities don't deserve a private life. So even though the papers and magazines were breaking the law on a daily basis nobody did anything about it. More or less systematic and chronic corruption of our law enforcement and political systems.
Surely none of the "10 years - good" armchair hanging judges really believe that you'd get 10 years in jail if it wasn't a sleb's tits. I'd like to see a girl from a more ordinary background go to the cop shop & tell them someone posted a pic of their tits online - especially in the US, where they don't even bother to investigate rape* half the time, and get any response at all.
This guy got 10 years for lèse majesté, slebs being US royalty
What the article didn't mention was that the nine felony counts in the plea bargain were for wiretapping and unauthorised access to protected computers.
Wiretapping is treated rather more seriously in the USA than just accessing someone's computer. Ten years seems a bit harsh, but this was premeditated and not just a case of accidentally stumbling on something. He is also accused of stalking, but this seems to have been dropped. All in all, he seems like a potentially dangerous person.
Its an absolute fucking disgrace that male rape is considered legitimate punishment (only in the US) for ANY offence that merits jail time as well as the jail time. Its not even a crime in some states to rape a man or has only very recently been criminalised. They have zero right to call themselves a civilised modern democracy until they do something about this.
You have to ask yourself "Are you claiming for pics of you" as you nudies on the internet might hard to find in a google search.
On a more serious note.
I think its absolutely fucking stupid to claim we cannot gain privacy online just as we do offline. We use these bullshit sayings about anyone can see anything on the internet, but this is bullshit. It only like this because the industry lets it be like this.
What needs to be answered is should companies provide the facility to protect user privacy or should you leave it to the person to do their own. I am sure this is where the "open internet" argument will be thrown in, but there is a difference between the free FLOW of information and right to PROTECT or (have protected) your own information.
We here might have the knowledge to protect ourselves on this board, but I would argue its not us that need the protecting...
We here might have the knowledge to protect ourselves on this board, but I would argue its not us that need the protecting...
That's exactly what I do for a living, and yes, I have no time for people like Schmidt either (he's got a nice couple of European problems coming - he's only seen half of them so far).
I have absolutely no problem with asking people for details in exchange for services, but calling that "free" is the biggest lie of all, something that people only discover after their details have for instance been used for identity theft..
...email isn't really private. Just as SMS / MMS isn't really private. Email goes via any number of relays are held on any number of SMTP / POP3 servers ready for delivery to the next node in the relay chain (and for audit purposes). You have no control over who views the content. SMS I understand uses similar principles although I stand to be corrected on this. If you want something to remain private - encrypt it or don't send it via open transports in the first place.
@Tom 38 - I disagree - while it's not as "seucre" sending a postcard, it's certainly not sending the information in the open. The card is placed in a postbox, from there to the point it is put through your door it's in the custody of the Royal Mail. The text may be visible, but it's really not the done thing for posties to read it, in fact if you had a reasonable proof that someone did read it, it would be a disciplinary matter. That's not to say that it isn't sensible to use an envelope, should you want to make sure your communication stays private.
Again, email goes through a series of trusted providers, or at least the vast majority does, where one has a basic expectation of security and privacy.
I used to work as a backup administrator - I had access to restore any of the files in the company and have a good nose round. I didn't do this because, it's not the right thing to do, I could be fired or prosecuted for doing so and I'm not a stalking sociopath like the guy who was sent down seems to be
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You are missing the point...when i send stuff by snail mail by putting it in an envelope I am, to some degree, encrypting it. Hardly secure encryption I agree. More security through obscurity. But I have to assume that there's a risk that the contents might be compromised - like the £10 that went missing from a card I received the other day and which had obviously been sliced open (but that's another matter). Now whether I'd send a photo of my girlfriend's private parts via snail mail is one thing (and, to be honest, I'm not sure I would) but I certainly wouldn't send them via email unless they were encrypted. Yes, you might hope you have a right to be privacy but be sensible - humans are, by nature, nosey bastards. And in the same way that you wouldn't walk your 14 year old daughter stark bollock naked down the street and hope that all the neighbours will refrain from looking I wouldn't expect you to send pictures of her via email either. If you, then more fool you. This kind of attitude is the reason why people can sue for twisting their ankle on an uneven pavement. TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PEOPLE. FFS.
And no, I don't condone the fact that this idiot snooped the mail in the first place. He got what he deserved - actually he probably got a damned sight more than he deserved since 10 years seems a little excessive.
@Sabba - This is someone who has broken into online mail services. He went out and did it in a premeditated manner, the photos were secure and I daresay encrypted as well, he just obtained access to the service that was hosting them. This is just the same as someone breaking into a house and taking the contents from the locked building. It is not a question of personal responsibility for one's actions, the images were stolen by someone who seems to have gone to great lengths in order to do so.
@AC - I agree and as I noted I don't have a problem with his being punished. If you note, my issue was with people sending personal information (photos etc) via public transport and then wondering when it gets out into the wild. The fact that it hasn't been disseminated for public consumption does not mean it has not already been viewed by any number of 'curious' people.
Interesting point ACx, but who the fuck is talking about your mail being opened?
I'm positing "email is secure as a postcard". A postcard does not need to be opened to be viewed. A postcard makes its way through many postal systems. In any of those systems, the operators of the system, could, if they so wanted, view the contents of that postcard. The postcard can then be delivered, and there is no indication that the postcard has or has not been read by anyone else.
You might think that posties would never do that, they have no purpose to look, that it would be a disciplinary action if they did.
Compare this to an email. An email does not need to be marked as "opened" to be read. An email makes its way through many postal systems. In any of those systems, the operators of the system, could, if they so wanted, view the contents of that email. The email can then be delivered, and there is no indication that the email has or has not been read by anyone else.
You might think that SMTP admins would never do that, they have no purpose to look, that it would be a disciplinary action if they did.
You can dislike it, you can down vote me as much as you like, email is demonstrably similar to a postcard in snail mail, whilst people use it as a secure person to person communication tool.
Dear Jesus,
thank you for putting this bastard behind bars to get rogered for ten years. His crime was well worse than rape which you get less time for, because me putting naked pics of myself on the internets should be a safe thing to do, even though it is really childish and stupid.
Please could you fix it for me to have him killed as well, that would be great, but not until he has done at least 9 years the bastard.
Thanks in advance,
A. Celebritard.
Yes, you've highlighted the bizarre nature of the US prison system, where whatever crime you've committed, the punishment is your jail time plus being raped violently repeatedly, without the rapists being prosecuted for it.
It seems that Americans regard being raped in prison as part of the punishment you deserve. This doesn't happen in UK prisons because we live in a developed nation unlike the US, which cannot claim to be at all civilised until they do something about it. Plus there are 80,000 prisoners on any given day in solitary confinement.
In the UK for example, in 2004, there were 40 prisoners in solitary over the whole year.
Not that in the UK we don't pack them in too closely, fail to keep them safe from drugs and violence from other prisoners but we are better than the Yanks.
Perhaps it's because the States being much larger they can put prisons well out of the way where most people will never notice, nor think about them. Whereas in the UK, our Victorian gaols and their replacements tend to be sited in urban areas and are more noticeable (Dartmoor being an obvious exception)
Out of sight, out of mind on one hand . A long history of prison reform in the UK on the other? I dunno, just a thought.
1. Scarlett has a fine rack... of servers.
2. Ten years smells of Hollywood influence in the US justice system.
3. Celebs can now feel safe knowing their "soon to be accidently released self-nudes" are safe from the perverted minds of hackers.
4. Don't pick up the soap in the shower.
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