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Hacktivists claim to have hacked and defaced the website of the far-right group English Defence League. The englishdefenceleague.org site remains unreachable on Monday morning following a claimed assault by ZHC (ZCompany Hacking Crew). The Pakistani hacking crew claims to have gained access to Gmail accounts owned by EDL …

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  1. RICHTO
    Mushroom

    Linux = Insecure.

    It runs Apache on Linux? Might as well have put out a welcome mat....

    1. Ben Tasker Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Linux = Insecure.

      Obvious troll is obvious

      F - Try harder next time

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Linux = Insecure.

        Sorry, but he's right.

        I use Linux as my desktop operating system and I am a firm supporter of the UNIX model of operating systems, but Apache and PHP on Linux has a number of pitfalls when it comes to configuration and deployment. I wouldn't trust myself to set it up securely.

        This doesn't mean that my default set-up is easily exploitable, but it does mean that someone might be able to leverage a web-app issue into a system shell.

        Save the web.

        Encourage nginx and static HTML.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Linux = Insecure.

      Oh do give it a rest. It's most likely that this is a configuration error giving a way in, just as if it were a Windows/IIS hosted web site that had been hacked.

      Linux is pretty good, Windows is pretty good, del with it. Please stop with the tedious "the one I don't like must be shite", it stinks of just not being arsed to put in the effort to learn it. I have to put up with this all day at work from some of our linux developers, it's just as tedious from them too and they also continually show themselves up as not knowing what they're talking about. Go and learn Linux/UNIX, you'll embiggen your knowledge and make yourself a better IT guy. The same goes for Linux users who don't know Windows.

    3. gollux
      Mushroom

      Re: Linux = Insecure.

      More likely that Right Wing resistance to learning anything new and to paying enough wages to get someone knowledgeable had set in and they weren't going to pay anyone smart enough to secure the site, no matter what OS and web server the site's being run on.

  2. ukgnome
    Thumb Up

    Shame it's just the website

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    These EDL pricks were in Norwich over the weekend. It was very clear that they are of a lower intelligence (some would say they fitted in) Although to be fair to the fine folk of the city even the flat landers have a high IQ compared to the EDL.

    When the one hundred or so idiots began to march they actually went the wrong way, and when interviewed why they are marching the sample poll didn't have a clue. Now I am all for freedom of speech, it is afterall a human right so they can march all they want, but in expressing freedom of speech you have to accept that sooner or later your website will be pwned. And because I am all for freedom of speech I am happy to go on the record to congratulate the ZCompany on their fine work and point out to the EDL that a rag tag bunch of racist bigots doesn't scare anyone. Dinosaurs die out and so do twunts. If you have time then view the youtube clips - the comments are funnier than the actual clips.

    1. Ben Tasker Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Shame it's just the website

      When the one hundred or so idiots began to march they actually went the wrong way, and when interviewed why they are marching the sample poll didn't have a clue.

      Now is that because the marchers didn't know, or just that the samplers couldn't understand the grunting?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Shame it's just the website

        There are videos on Youtube of various EDL supporters on marches being interviewed and they really don't know why they're marching.

        1. h4rm0ny

          Re: Shame it's just the website

          "There are videos on Youtube of various EDL supporters on marches being interviewed and they really don't know why they're marching."

          Having had a fair bit of experience with the media when I was protesting against the Iraq war and in a few other cases (such as when I worked in the NHS), I can say confidently that most papers and the BBC, when interviewing a hundred people able to put a reasonable point across and a couple of people who prefer to rant incoherently, will normally choose to show the latter. Remember that massive image of a man in a balaclava kicking in the window of a McDonalds that was splashed across most newspapers some years ago? Over a million people marching in overwhelmingly peaceful protest, and that was the image that was on every front page.

          The media shows what the media wants to show. Most people who have ever been interviewed by the mainstream media can tell you a story about that. Same goes for your YouTube videos. What is a critic going to post, an EDL member clearly putting a point across about how slaughtering animals without stunning because of a religious edict against it is wrong to them, or the bloke who went along because his mates were on it?

        2. Amorous Cowherder
          Happy

          Re: Shame it's just the website

          "There are videos on Youtube of various EDL supporters on marches being interviewed and they really don't know why they're marching."

          Well Sheep herd together when they're scared and frightened but I suppose even Sheep at least probably know why they are all running as a herd!

    2. Psyx
      Pint

      Re: Shame it's just the website

      "These EDL pricks were in Norwich over the weekend. It was very clear that they are of a lower intelligence"

      Also vastly, vastly out-numbered by both counter-protesters (10-to-1!) and old Bill. And yet several of them still decided to try beating someone up in the street:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20279687

      Website hack, though? Frankly I'm surprised it's not being hosted by AOL or Go-Daddy!

      1. h4rm0ny

        Re: Shame it's just the website

        "Also vastly, vastly out-numbered by both counter-protesters (10-to-1!) and old Bill. And yet several of them still decided to try beating someone up in the street: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20279687

        I've just read your link and nowhere does it say that several (or any) EDL members beat someone up on the street (or anywhere else). All it says is that two people were arrested on "suspected public disorder offences" which is par for the course - the police often arrest some people at protests and then later let them go without charge. Another person it says, was arrested on "suspicion of assault". Nowhere does it say whether the alleged perpetrators were members of the EDL or members of the counter-protest that outnumbered them ten to one and assembled with the stated objective of stopping them getting to the City Hall. It could easily be the other way around to how you have assumed. There have been several instances where anti-EDL protestors have attacked EDL members. In one instance, attacking their bus.

        1. Psyx
          FAIL

          Re: Shame it's just the website

          "I've just read your link and nowhere does it say that several (or any) EDL members beat someone up on the street (or anywhere else)."

          No, it doesn't. Sorry... for basing that entirely on eye-witness accounts relayed to me in the pub, two hours afterwards, in Norwich. Several EDL protesters were arrested for assaulting a shopper, who was nothing to do with the counter-demo.

          "It could easily be the other way around to how you have assumed."

          I assumed nothing. Whereas you assumed I was just assuming.

          1. h4rm0ny

            Re: Shame it's just the website

            "I assumed nothing. Whereas you assumed I was just assuming."

            Well you wrote that EDL supporters had beaten up someone in the street followed by a colon and a link to a BBC news article. So I think I was right to infer that and you are wrong to say you weren't implying that the BBC article in some way substantiated your statement. If it was a rumour, then you should not have attempted to lend it more authority via BBC news stories.

  3. Liam Thom
    Joke

    Deleted Facebook

    If they have actually managed to delete a Facebook account then these guys are good. That's degree level stuff.

  4. h4rm0ny

    EDL != Far Right

    Pretty much see title. Do they have political views on economy, social welfare or other areas that can be (haphazardly) defined as Right or Left Wing? No. The flawed process in some people's minds is as follows:

    1. EDL critical of Islam.

    2. I think criticism of Islam is racist.

    3. I like to say that racism is the preserve of the Right Wing because I am Left Wing.

    4. Whales are mammals, therefore mammals are whales. Mammals are hairy.

    5. Shave the whales.

    And no, the EDL are not the BNP either.

    1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

      Re: EDL != Far Right

      I'm met just as many racist left whingers as racist british nazi party types.

      Its just the left whingers hide it away in their langauge a lot better.

      Oh and most policies of the EDL/BNP are left wing!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: EDL != Far Right

        "most policies of the EDL/BNP are left wing!"

        So they're Nationalists and Socialists?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: EDL != Far Right

      I think it may be your process which is flawed. The only people who claim that people beleive that "criticism of Islam is rascist" are those trying to defend a rascist postion themselves. People criticise the EDL for being rascist because they spend their time on marches calling people niggers and pakis and making monkey gestures at black people as they go past.

      1. h4rm0ny

        Re: EDL != Far Right

        "The only people who claim that people beleive that "criticism of Islam is rascist" are those trying to defend a rascist postion themselves"

        If I parsed the above correctly, then I disagree. It is quite possible to be critical of Islam without being racist. I don't think that really needs supporting here, but for example, I greatly dislike Islam's position on homosexuals, I dislike its practice of animals having to be concious and feeling when killed and that they must die through bleeding to death. Unless you're going to be incredibly strict on your interpretation and exclude vast bodies of Islamic tradition, then I also greatly dislike its prescriptions on the role of women. Yet I have actually dated people of races that are traditionally muslim though they themselves are non-practicing to the point of heresy, and got a long mostly fine. And I've spent time in muslim countries without feeling antipathy or contempt for the locals. Criticism of Islam is not by itself racist.

        But it's certainly the case that when you criticize Islam, you will find people leaping to accuse of racism, bigotry, etc. It's unfortunate, but it does happen. I cannot accept that criticism of Islam is racist, else you rule out ever criticising Islam (or religion in general if you apply the principle fairly).

        1. Some Beggar

          Re: EDL != Far Right

          "But it's certainly the case that when you criticize Islam, you will find people leaping to accuse of racism,"

          If this is "certainly the case" then perhaps you can give some examples? It appears to be nothing more than a straw man.

          I'm a secularist and a hard atheist. I criticize Islam quite regularly. I have a very simple trick to avoid being labelled a racist ... it's called not being a racist.

          The reason groups like the EDL are labelled racist is because their members are overwhelmingly racist. It's not rocket salad.

          1. JohnG

            Re: EDL != Far Right

            "But it's certainly the case that when you criticize Islam, you will find people leaping to accuse of racism,"

            If this is "certainly the case" then perhaps you can give some examples?

            Here's an example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17181861

            Google will find plenty more examples of how "comment made against Islam" = racism (in the UK).

          2. h4rm0ny

            Re: EDL != Far Right

            "If this is "certainly the case" then perhaps you can give some examples? It appears to be nothing more than a straw man."

            Well, outside of my own life which is personal experience and therefore you wouldn't accept it... Polly Toynbee springs to mind. She's a columnist for the Guardian. She wrote a critical piece about Islam and was then awarded "Islamophobe of the Year Award" and bombarded with accusations of racism.

            1. Some Beggar
              FAIL

              Re: EDL != Far Right

              One example from nearly a decade ago of a person who was never actually labelled a racist? That's convincing.

              1. h4rm0ny

                Re: EDL != Far Right

                "One example from nearly a decade ago of a person who was never actually labelled a racist? That's convincing"

                Hey, you said it was "nothing more than a straw man" and demanded examples. I could have given you examples from my own life but I decided to give you a notable one that I recalled and which is of public record. Another poster gave you another and I could spend the time finding other examples for you if you wish. But the examples given are sufficient to show that it does happen and that it is not "nothing more than a straw man". You have made your mind up on this anyway. If you genuinely can't see how easy it is to make an ad hominem attack on someone criticising Islam by blurring the boundary into calling them a racist and imagine that this doesn't happen whenever someone wants to disparage a critic (which is a frequent human tendency), then you wont be convinced by any number of examples. If you're genuinely interested in more examples, do a little reading online or try arguing against Islam in different social situations yourself. It will happen unless you happen to be of a non-White race yourself.

                1. Some Beggar
                  WTF?

                  Re: EDL != Far Right

                  "Hey, you said it was "nothing more than a straw man" and demanded examples"

                  And I'm still waiting for an example of "people leaping to label you racist". Whenever you're ready. Take your time.

                  "It will happen unless you happen to be of a non-White race yourself."

                  Re-read my original post. I'm a hard atheist and secularist and have been involved in public face-to-face discussions about the dangers of conservative religion - including Islam - for about thirty years. I've never been labelled a racist. Because I'm not a racist. Which part of this is confusing you?

                  1. h4rm0ny

                    Re: EDL != Far Right

                    "And I'm still waiting for an example of "people leaping to label you racist". Whenever you're ready. Take your time."

                    Well as you don't (so far as I am aware), actually know me, I thought it would be more useful to provide you with an example of it happening to a public figure. If you now really rather I give you personal examples, well I had an argument with some people at a party last year about Islam and when I started saying what I didn't like about it, several of the people started ganging up on me and calling me a racist and wouldn't listen further. It offended their sensibilities to have someone criticizing and racist was a label that seemed close enough to them to use for someone who didn't like Islam. There you go, there's an example of it happening to me. But I stand by my first example of it happening to a public figure that you can verify as being a more useful counter-argument.

                    "Re-read my original post. I'm a hard atheist and secularist and have been involved in public face-to-face discussions about the dangers of conservative religion - including Islam - for about thirty years. I've never been labelled a racist. Because I'm not a racist. Which part of this is confusing you?"

                    None of it is confusing to me. I would just then say that your experience is atypical or you have been arguing in different situations (perhaps different demographics) than I have. And your logic that you've never been labelled a racist because you're not a racist, implies you think that someone cannot be falsely labelled as a racist. Do you really think that is so? You haven't answered my points in return, by the way.

                    1. Some Beggar
                      Facepalm

                      Re: EDL != Far Right

                      Oh I see. You can't provide a single verifiable example of somebody being labelled a racist for making a reasonable criticism of Islam and yet I'm the one whose experience is atypical? That makes absolutely perfect sense.

                      Apologies if I haven't addressed any of your points. Perhaps you could repeat them.

                      1. h4rm0ny

                        Re: EDL != Far Right

                        "Oh I see. You can't provide a single verifiable example of somebody being labelled a racist for making a reasonable criticism of Islam and yet I'm the one whose experience is atypical? That makes absolutely perfect sense."

                        Please see my earlier post about the Guardian columnists experience for a "single verifiable example". FIrst you said that it was a strawman to say that critics of Islam get dismissed as racists and demanded an example. I gave one. Then you said the example was too old and you insisted it had to be an example from my experience. I pointed out that you didn't know me so I thought you'd have preferred a verifiable public example, but I gave you one from my own experience anyway. Now you say there's no "single verifiable example" and I refer you to my first one. This is absurd. You asked me to repeat points that you hadn't addressed. Well okay, here's one from earlier:

                        People routinely try to disparage and dismiss their opponents in a debate with ad hominems. (See pretty much any discussion on these forums for supporting evidence. ;) . It's a pretty easy ad hominem leap from someone being critical of a religion or culture found nearly exclusively amongst other races to themself, to painting that person as a racist. A perfectly imaginable scenario. I say I've had it happen to me and seen it happen to others, another poster agreed and posted a verifiable example from a public figure. I have done likewise. Yet you are insisting it hasn't happened to you and arguing that to say it happens is (your words) "nothing more than a straw man". So that was the point I feel you skipped over - why does the above sound scenario sound so preposterous to you that you will out of hand reject it when others state that it happens?

                        1. Some Beggar

                          Re: EDL != Far Right

                          "Please see my earlier post about the Guardian columnists"

                          ... who, as I already pointed out, was never labelled a racist.

                          1. h4rm0ny

                            Re: EDL != Far Right

                            "... who, as I already pointed out, was never labelled a racist."

                            No you didn't. You arbitrarily decided that the example was too old for you to accept. Go and read further. She says that she received lots of communications calling her a racist and likening her to Nick Griffen.

                            1. Some Beggar

                              Re: EDL != Far Right

                              Here's what I wrote:

                              "One example from nearly a decade ago of a person who was never actually labelled a racist? "

                              Apologies if you found that sentence too long to read all the way to the end.

                              1. h4rm0ny

                                Re: EDL != Far Right

                                ""One example from nearly a decade ago of a person who was never actually labelled a racist? " Apologies if you found that sentence too long to read all the way to the end."

                                But as they state themselves, they received many accusations of being a racst. This is a matter of public record. As to being able to read to the end, why do you repeatedly avoid the question I ask about why you think it is impossible that what I and others have said happens, happens when we've both given you examples (note there is more than one publically verifiable example been given to you despite you saying otherwise) and shown how naturally it can occur?

                          2. h4rm0ny

                            Re: EDL != Far Right

                            Also, after skipping over my points, and then when this is pointed out, asking for me to repeat them for you, and my doing so, I would think you would have the courtesy to respond to them the second time around. After all, you asked for them to be re-stated (to save you scrolling up a page, presumably).

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: EDL != Far Right

      The EDL aren't even critical of Islam, officially. Or weren't when they first started up. The were, however, always critical of Muslim extremism. The problem is that once you start wandering in to such terrotiry and voicing your opinion on a subject (you know, excercising that elusive freedom of speech we hear so much about), the proper neo nazi, American History X types jump on board and associate themselves with the group, thus shadowing the original point and causing much of the public to brand the entire organisaztion and its principals as 'racist'.

    4. Some Beggar

      Re: EDL != Far Right

      All main stream media refer to the EDL as far right or extreme right. The term is dubious if you take it literally to mean "an exaggerated version of centre right politics". But nobody uses it to mean that. The term "far right" has been common and perfectly well understood for about eighty years. Even the centre right parties refer to the EDL as far right. Arguing that it is inappropriate is semantic guff.

      The EDL are the natural inheritors of the BFP/NF/BNP: their membership is the same, their rhetoric is the same, their propensity for drunkenness and violence is the same. Their complete inability to ever form a coherent political movement or achieve any consistent electoral success is the same.

      I have no idea if they have a policy on whales. I suspect it would depend on the colour or cultural background of the whale.

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: EDL != Far Right

        "The EDL are the natural inheritors of the BFP/NF/BNP: their membership is the same, their rhetoric is the same, their propensity for drunkenness and violence is the same

        I'm not convinced that you are right there. Growing up as a teenager in a world where the Internet was unheard of and the w3 did not exist, the likes of the National Front and Combat18 were historically far more intelligent, organised, active, inciteful and violent. Their membership campaigns of the 70's and 80's were highly targeted and orchestrated and running within schools and educational establishments from secondary and up. Fortunately, violent hate groups such as the National Front and Combat18 no longer demonstrate the same degree of cohesion and organisation and in general their appeal to youth groups has greatly diminished.

        "Their complete inability to ever form a coherent political movement or achieve any consistent electoral success is the same."

        This however I wholly agree with.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wonder if the ist of funders will include the biggest one, MOSSAD'S Nachum Shifren?

    Or just a list of council estate hooligans.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Never heard of the Jewish Branch of the EDL then? They cooperate closely with several jewish groups.

      Oh no, that must mean they're part of the vast MOSSAD conspiracy!!!!!111eleventyoneomgwtf11!!

      1. Some Beggar
        FAIL

        Would that be the Jewish EDL group led by Roberta Moore - a charming woman who openly supported Breivik and who is neither Jewish nor English?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not Helpful

    I don't see that this is a helpful action by the hacking crew, I can't see how someone visiting the EDL web site would look at what they've done and think "I hadn't really thought about this until now, I shall stop being a racist, homophobic, islamophobic, scumbag forthwith."

    1. Alex King
      Thumb Up

      Re: Not Helpful

      The defacing of the site - maybe not, but making names public could be a positive move. I'm sure EDL members will have no problem with it anyway, as I'm sure they'll be proud of their membership.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not Helpful

        sorry, I disagree - I don't think that it would be useful, i can't be verified, it wouldn't be acceptable for any other list like this to be released and with this sort of list there is a risk of attacks against the members.

        That's not to say that I don't think we should take every opportunity to show them for the bigots they are, just every opportunity within the law.

      2. h4rm0ny

        Re: Not Helpful

        "I'm sure EDL members will have no problem with it anyway, as I'm sure they'll be proud of their membership"

        Then you would be wrong. How would you like it if your place of work or prospective employer could look up your political history and use that as a basis for hiring you or not? Though I expect a double-standard along the lines of you would make an exception for groups that you personally don't approve of.

        1. h4rm0ny

          Re: Not Helpful

          Actually, furthermore, there is a physical risk to both people and property involved here. Members of the EDL have been attacked for their membership or attendence at events. Circulating a list around like this (and assuming it was actually genuine - good luck proving you're not supposed to be on it), is circulating a list of targets for some.

          1. cocknee

            Re: Not Helpful

            tough shit. the EDL are a bunch of hate-filled, knuckle-dragging numpties. Their activists are the same thugs and shit-bags that support and work for the BNP/NF etc.

            Those that don't support a harmonious law abiding society and preaching hate, causing violence, fear and division have no rights to complain about their rights. Hope they get the sort of justice they deserve - fuckers.

            BTW this includes anyone in the above category, not just EDL.

            Anyway back to the matter at hand. Ha-bloody-ha!

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Not Helpful

              @Cocknee - While I do sympathise with your position, my concern is that if we don't protect these scum and give them the same rights as everyone else enjoys, we become the same as them. If we allow them to feel persecuted, it can only strengthen their resolve and probably their numbers.

            2. Ben Tasker Silver badge

              Re: Not Helpful

              @cocknee

              And if not everyone on that list is a genuine supporter? The screenshots on the hack showed a few people querying how the hell they'd ended up with a 'subscription', if genuine there could be more who haven't paid attention.

              I agree with your sentiments, but it's the potential collateral damage that bothers me. In every witch-hunt we end up with collateral damage, whether it's a paediatrician (it starts with paed right?) or some other poor fucker caught up in the cross-fire.

              Doxxing people can have some serious consequences, and as much as I despise what the EDL seem to stand for, I personally can't condone the end result of details being released. They're scumbags of the lowest order, but it's their right to hold their own opinions. When they take action that affects others, sure, do what you like with them (no holds barred is fine by me) but simply contributing should not be enough to warrant the kind of action that we're likely to see resulting from a leak of membership info.

        2. Some Beggar

          Re: Not Helpful

          The EU has recently ruled that you cannot discriminate against employees or potential employees on the basis of their political affiliation - there was an unfair dismissal case involving a BNP councillor.

          There's obviously a small irony in a strongly anti-EU party using EU law to defend themselves. But the basic principle should apply regardless of which barmy fringe party one supports. If it isn't pertinent to your ability to do a job then it can't be used as a criterion for employment.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Not Helpful

            @Some Beggar - You can discriminate in situations where your political beliefs would prevent you from being able to carry out your work - UK Police, for instance, are not allowed to be members of organisations like the NF/BNP.

  7. El Presidente
    Mushroom

    lambasts the EDL for its militant Islamaphobia and racism

    Well a lambasting from militant Islamic head bangers is preferable to their usual MO of a bomb, blasting. Pot v kettle. I say put them in a football stadium somewhere let 'em fight it out. We can watch it on the telly.

    Never understood the appeasement of and political love affair with Islam. I think it's Cultural Stockholm Syndrome. Problem is the CoE. If you respect the bonkers ideas one sub set of religious nut jobs you have to respect them all equally. Disestablishment of the church is the first step to a secular country. That and pointing and laughing.

  8. Dabooka Silver badge
    WTF?

    Who needs to release the mebership list anyway?

    If there are 37,000 idiots prepared to "Like" the FriendFace page, surely they're being pretty much open about their views anyway.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Who needs to release the mebership list anyway?

      Nice, makes daytime work much easier for MI5 :P

  9. Ommerson
    FAIL

    He who fights monsters....

    ZHC seem to have more in common with the EDL than they have differences. This seems to be a case Islamic fascism going after common-a-garden fascism.

  10. Gordon Pryra

    As the posts dont reflect the subject,

    I feel safe in going off at a tangent.

    Its dangerous to think of these people as "idiots" (the EDL)

    They, like most militant groups (and we can throw these fuckers into the same camp as the various Islamic/Christian scum groups) are extremely clever at how they actually talk to the poor saps they recruit.

    like h4rm0ny points out. Some of their aims are logical and tie into social fears, for example Islam is neither capable of being democratic nor does it give equal rights to women. Therefore they can use them as a fair target of attack. Getting normal people to, if not join them, then to "have some common ground"

    Hitler did the same thing.

    By thinking of them as clowns, your allow them some leeway, you give them a chance to mask their activities and allow them the ability to recruit more of the "idiots" who are generally those on the outside of society who would join anyone who holds out a hand to them, not caring about the actual aim of the group.

    While I despise all religion in general as being more suited of a medieval word, these guys should just be outlawed as a terrorist organisation and not laughed at.

    1. Some Beggar

      Re: As the posts dont reflect the subject,

      Fortunately, a quick look at the diminishing numbers attending their protests demonstrates that they're in the process of collapse. They lured in a number of relatively normal people with their moderate-sounding original aims. Then these normal people noticed that they were marching alongside unrepentant neo-nazis and lager-swilling football hooligans and left.

    2. El Presidente
      FAIL

      "these guys should just be outlawed as a terrorist organisation"

      Isn't that .. you know .. a bit fascist ?

      See the conundrum you're in? You do it to yourself.

      1. Some Beggar

        Re: "these guys should just be outlawed as a terrorist organisation"

        Counter productive too. A lot of them seem to be suffering from a persecution complex - all the rhetoric is about the poor white man and the two tier legal system and benefit favouritism for foreigners and immigrants stealing our jobs - the last thing we want to give them is a genuine reason to feel persecuted.

  11. LPF

    Say what you like about the EDL..

    But until the start blowing up buses and tubes, then quite frankly I arent got a problem with em, free speech is still free speach, and last time I checked they dont go around killing thier daughters in the name of Honour !

    1. mark 63 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

      Shame that, the potential savings to welfare state could be huge

      1. Dr_N Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

        "But until the start blowing up buses and tubes, then quite frankly I arent got a problem with em, free speech is still free speach, and last time I checked they dont go around killing thier daughters in the name of Honour !"

        [sarcasm]

        Yeah, whatever you say about the knuckle-draggers, they are "patriotic true Brits" with a pride in their language and maybe even know which way up to fly the Union Flag.

        [/sarcasm]

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      1. Psyx
        Pint

        Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

        "Yeah, whatever you say about the knuckle-draggers, they are patriotic true Brits"

        Balls.

        If they were 'true Brits' they would accept multi-culturalism and ethnic and social diversity. Because that's what we are. Ever since the dawn of recorded history this nation has been about people getting off boats, saying "It's nice here... apart from some of those tossers telling us to go home", settling down, contributing cuisine and culture and language to the existing melange, and eventually becoming culturally indistinguishable from the rest of the nation.

        The 'British Race' are a mongrel, who took bits from a swathe of cultures and made it their own. And THAT'S what makes this nation great: Our sheer mixture of roots and immigration. If you aren't multi-cultural with forefathers from half a dozen nations, then you're not really British.

        Remember: Our Flag is a hodge-potch, our patron saint was Greek, lager is an imported idea, most of our royals are German-Greek, our national dish is Indian (kinda), and we speak a Germanic language, hybridised with thousands of loan-words.

        1. El Presidente
          Facepalm

          Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

          "If they were 'true Brits' they would accept multi-culturalism and ethnic and social diversity. Because that's what we are. Ever since the dawn of recorded history this nation has been about people getting off boats, saying "It's nice here... apart from some of those tossers telling us to go home", settling down, contributing cuisine and culture and language to the existing melange, and eventually becoming culturally indistinguishable from the rest of the nation.

          The 'British Race' are a mongrel, who took bits from a swathe of cultures and made it their own. And THAT'S what makes this nation great: Our sheer mixture of roots and immigration. If you aren't multi-cultural with forefathers from half a dozen nations, then you're not really British.

          Remember: Our Flag is a hodge-potch, our patron saint was Greek, lager is an imported idea, most of our royals are German-Greek, our national dish is Indian (kinda), and we speak a Germanic language, hybridised with thousands of loan-words"

          And all that, my tiny minded swivel eyed simpleton, is exactly what is at risk.

          1. Psyx
            FAIL

            Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

            "And all that, my tiny minded swivel eyed simpleton, is exactly what is at risk."

            Down-voted for quoting an entire comment for just a one-sentence reply. And for it being an incoherent insult, rather than any kind of structured argument.

    3. ukgnome

      Re: Say what you like about the EDL..

      "and last time I checked they dont go around killing thier daughters in the name of Honour !"

      They would have to find someone to procreate with first of all, and lets not pull punches but all those big boots and shaved heads wouldn't look out of place at a Frankie goes to Hollywood convention.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get what they deserve.

    Was in the services on a motorway when a coach load of EDL yobs turned up.

    As they were entering the service station one of the shouted at and scared my at the time 2 year old child.

    If I was not busy comforting her as she was now crying, I would of taken him out for a good lesson in the history of English discipline, especially as him and the group he was with were laughing at the experience.

    I don't under stand why, I'm 13 provable generations English, so I would of thought myself and my family are the kinda people that the EDL want to support, but this incident shows in my mind that the EDL are happy to recruit mindless yobs who seem too thick to recognise the people they are supposed to support .

    Anyhow after that experience, this news makes me smile.

    1. Lamont Cranston
      Facepalm

      Re: Get what they deserve.

      Glad to see someone has downvoted you, here. People like you, who would seek to protect a frightened child from a racist mob, make me sick.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Get what they deserve.

        Or perhaps the downvote for for writing an unverifiable clichéd ridden comment that seems, well, just a little to good to be true.

        1. Stratman

          Re: Get what they deserve.

          Or for presuming that violence is an acceptable answer.

          Or for despite being "13 provable generations English", not knowing the difference between 'have' and 'of'.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Get what they deserve.

      Maybe you should stay off the spray tans....

  13. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    pardon me

    I thought it was a football club.

    I know better, now.

  14. Daggersedge

    So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

    Who is going to defend you when the diversity enact their laws that mean that you are, at best, a second-class citizen? Do you really think that they will respect your left-wing causes? And really, you don't even respect your own culture and traditions, so why should they?

    What are you going to do when they tell you that you must convert to their religion or pay a special tax? When they accuse you of blasphemy in order to take your property? What are you going to do when they ban alcohol and everything associated with it, including pubs and clubs? What are you going to do when they tell you what you can't eat?

    The list goes on and on. Not one of the items on the list of the diversity includes any of the things on your left-wing lists. But after you have driven out, imprisoned or otherwised destroyed anyone who even mildly criticised the diversity, who will defend you? Who will fight for Britain?

    1. Lamont Cranston

      Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

      Hahahahaha! Good one.

      Is this a masterful troll, or just too much fail for the internet to handle?

      1. ukgnome
        Devil

        Sigh, I will try and answer or UKGNOME v the mythical "They"

        Q, Who is going to defend you when the diversity enact their laws that mean that you are, at best, a second-class citizen?

        A, The diversity? Nope not a clue, are you talking about climate change hippies or UKIP

        Q, Do you really think that they will respect your left-wing causes?

        A, Again, just who the feck are "they" presumably some right wing nut jobs

        Q, And really, you don't even respect your own culture and traditions, so why should they?

        A, Own culture and traditions. Right, that's it everyone - come the next fire festival I expect you all to be there. Away with you Christianity, we don't want you on our Pagan isle.

        Q, What are you going to do when they tell you that you must convert to their religion or pay a special tax?

        A, "special tax" you make it sound so seedy and as for telling you to convert well let me tell you buddy I aint no stinking transformer.

        Q, When they accuse you of blasphemy in order to take your property?

        A, Erm nope, at a loss, you simply need to give me more info.

        Q, What are you going to do when they ban alcohol and everything associated with it, including pubs and clubs?

        A, Again, just who is this "they" group? but to answer your question - Presumably no longer go to pubs and clubs.

        Q, What are you going to do when they tell you what you can't eat?

        A, As a vegetarian this has little or no bearing on me. So largely I will ignore the mythical "They"

    2. Psyx
      FAIL

      Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

      "So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?"

      It already has, you pillock. Or do you not live in a country that's spent 2,000 fscking years being colonised by immigrants. Or are you descended from a tribe of Celts who have been inbreeding with their cousins ever since the Romans arrived. Oh... you are. Right then...

      "And really, you don't even respect your own culture and traditions, so why should they?"

      Yeah, I love our [Indian] curries, chips [American], swear words [Saxon], our home-grown rock and indie music [Afro-American], lager [Germany], our patron saint [Greek] and the royal family [Greek, German]. Sod all that disgusting foreign muck!

      "When they accuse you of blasphemy in order to take your property?"

      There is no such crime in this country. You clearly love your nation so much that you don't know how its legal system works.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Stop

        Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

        "It already has, you pillock. Or do you not live in a country that's spent 2,000 fscking years being colonised by immigrants. Or are you descended from a tribe of Celts who have been inbreeding with their cousins ever since the Romans arrived. Oh... you are. Right then..."

        I read the OP's comment and post in general differently. I think you'll find that he is referring to the so-called 'Islamification' of the UK and is not speaking as literally as you seem to infer.

        "Yeah, I love our [Indian] curries, chips [American], swear words [Saxon], our home-grown rock and indie music [Afro-American], lager [Germany], our patron saint [Greek] and the royal family [Greek, German]. Sod all that disgusting foreign muck!"

        The nations favourite curry is not in fact Indian, but of Scottish origin or so folklore would have us believe. Chips are not American, unless you really mean fries or crisps. Home grown rock is just that and one of our biggest musical exports that has influenced the globe. Indie is not of Afro-American origin, but is of American origin as a genre. Not all lager comes from Germany and in fact the real British tipple is not imported larger but real ale. But as for the other two, you are correct.

        "There is no such crime in this country. You clearly love your nation so much that you don't know how its legal system works."

        I believe that the OP was making a reference to Islamic law/Sharia law. To quote that Wikipedia thing, "The punishments for different instances of blasphemy in Islam vary by jurisdiction, but may be very severe. A convicted blasphemer may, among other penalties, lose all legal rights. The loss of rights may cause a blasphemer's marriage to be dissolved, religious acts to be rendered worthless, and claims to property—including any inheritance—to be rendered void"

        It would seem that the OP has issues with the perceived 'Islamification' of the UK.

        1. Psyx
          Holmes

          Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

          "The nations favourite curry is not in fact Indian, but of Scottish origin or so folklore would have us believe."

          I didn't mention the nation's favourite curry. I mentioned curry. Which is Indian. And even if it's Anglicised Indian, then that's rather my point: This nation takes ideas from other countries and makes it part of their own. Saying that curry is Scottish precisely strengthens my argument about 'what is being British':

          "Chips are not American, unless you really mean fries or crisps."

          Where do you think potatoes came from? As to the cooking technique... From Belgium, isn't it? Ah... land of my own forefathers... dirty immigrants who moved here 700 years ago.

          "Home grown rock is just that and one of our biggest musical exports that has influenced the globe. Indie is not of Afro-American origin, but is of American origin as a genre."

          All modern rock music is Afro-American in origin. Rock (and Indie rock of course) came from rock and roll, which came from blues, which stemmed from African-American music. Check out the history of contemporary music sometime.

          "Not all lager comes from Germany and in fact the real British tipple is not imported larger but real ale."

          The type of beer and the brewing technique was born in Germany. It seems to be the chosen tipple of the kind of person who joins the EDL. Though frankly, I prefer that quintessential tipple: port (which is Portuguese). As to real ales which you consider British: Hops were introduced from the Low Countries 400 years ago.

          Learn something every day, don't we?

          "I believe that the OP was making a reference to Islamic law/Sharia law."

          Which isn't how our justice system works. And anyone who thinks that our entire legal system is going to be thrown out and replaced with Sharia law is clearly a paranoid lunatic.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

            Your argument is puerile and childish as the same could be said for just about any county in the worlds. You sir, are a fool.

            1. Psyx
              FAIL

              Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

              "Your argument is puerile and childish as the same could be said for just about any county in the worlds. You sir, are a fool."

              Your argument doesn't even exist: It's a childish insult hidden behind a nameless mask, Mr. A. Coward.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

            " I mentioned curry. Which is Indian"

            Extract from 'The Origins of Curry': "When the English merchants landed at Surat in 1608 and 1612, then Calcutta 1633, Madras 1640 and Bombay 1668, the word ‘cury*’ had been part of the English language for well over two hundred years."

            So what you are really trying to say is that Indian curry is just Indian Curry and you seem to deliberately forget that the word curry or cury existed in this country long before we started consuming Indian curry.

            As for the rest of your drivel, I'll just agree the the AC poster as unfortunately your line of argument is childish, highly flawed and holds true for just about very nation on this planet.

            * ‘Cury’ was the Old English word for cooking derived from the French ‘cuire’ - to cook, boil, grill - hence cuisine.

            1. Psyx
              WTF?

              Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

              "As for the rest of your drivel, I'll just agree the the AC poster as unfortunately your line of argument is childish, highly flawed and holds true for just about very nation on this planet."

              Lol: Fail. You can't find any ammunition to counter, so dismiss it as irrelevant. Nice debate technique.

              Do you genuinely believe that the English culture is this isolationist bastion? We are about multi-cultural-ism. And in a hundred years time the families of immigrant's today will be moaning about the latest influx of foreign culture, while wolfing down their kebabs in sweet irony, just as the Anglo-Saxons moaned about the Normans.

              "‘Cury’ was the Old English word"

              No it wasn't: It was Middle English. If it had been in use for over 200 years in C16 and was a French loan word, it's Middle English, not Old. You don't even know what language we spoke 500 years ago? Some nationality you are!

              But what's your point anyway: That we 'imported' a dish and gave it a English name, so it's not a foreign dish, but a national one? What kind of straw man argument is that?!

              1. h4rm0ny
                Pint

                Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                "But what's your point anyway: That we 'imported' a dish and gave it a English name, so it's not a foreign dish, but a national one? What kind of straw man argument is that?!"

                When someone says: "let's all go for an Indian," we all understand they mean eat a curry. Even if somehow a curry was a Scottish invention (which is unlikely as you don't fry a curry), everyone thinks it is Indian which is good enough for the point that British culture is willing to embrace foreign cultures to its benefit. And good that it does!

                Lager, to go with the curry.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                "Lol: Fail. You can't find any ammunition to counter, so dismiss it as irrelevant. Nice debate technique."

                No. I just have much better things to do with my time. Sorry, but rattles and prams spring to mind. Enjoy your day and try not to start an argument with yourself.

              3. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                @Psyx

                OK, now I have some time I'll address a few points.

                "Do you genuinely believe that the English culture is this isolationist bastion? We are about multi-cultural-ism. And in a hundred years time the families of immigrant's today will be moaning about the latest influx of foreign culture, while wolfing down their kebabs in sweet irony, just as the Anglo-Saxons moaned about the Normans.

                If you had taken time to read some of my other posts you would have in fact noted that I am all in favour of multiculturalism and I am in no way bothered about English heritage coming from a shared stage. We are all the better for it. You assumed, and assumed incorrectly, about my position here. Did you in some way confuse me with 'Daggersedge' (the OP) or assume that I, in some way, agree with his position. If so - quite absurd.

                As for cury/curry, the first reference that I am aware of is in a 1390 tome entitled ‘The Forme of Cury’ (apparently derived from the French ‘cuire')

                "Some nationality you are!"

                Oh really. Grow up.

                "But what's your point anyway: That we 'imported' a dish and gave it a English name, so it's not a foreign dish, but a national one? What kind of straw man argument is that?!

                No that's not my point, and I am quite sure you are able to discern that for yourself but choose not to.

                My point is that, just because you assume that a curry is Indian, that is in fact not necessarily the case. Yes, as others have pointed out 'going for a curry', will often - but not always - be taken to to mean an ' Indian'. However your clearly stated "I mentioned curry. Which is Indian". This is only correct if one makes certain assumptions. There are many within our society to whom a curry does not mean 'an Indian' as it could, in our multicultural society, equally mean Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Thai, Cambodian etc. So on that basis I disagree with your statement that 'a curry' = 'an Indian', as that some would claim (but not me) demonstrates cultural stereotype/bias.

                Some sources claim that the once nation favourite curry, masala, was created by a Pakistani chef named Ali Ahmed Aslam, of the Shish Mahal restaurant in Gibson Street Glasgow by improvising a sauce made from yoghurt, cream and spices. True or not, I don't really care.

                As for your earlier comments and retorts:

                In respect of chips (I can't really believe that I am posting this on the Register).. You say,"Where do you think potatoes came from?"

                Chips (of the fried variety) are certainly not American. (Apparently that hail from Scotland). So you therefore attempt to justify your statement by saying that the potatoes come from America. Every potato? Really? Quite absurd. Those I purchase are sourced locally, as are most non-brand food items I buy. (And please, don't reply telling me that they aren't local because the fertiliser came from New Zealand, à la your Belgium frying technique argument).

                Your then continued with "As to the cooking technique... From Belgium, isn't it?"

                A complete and utter irrelevance. Fire's were likely first kindled in Africa, but does that make my Smeg cooker African? No, of course not. What has the technique to do with it? Little, if anything.

                "Hops were introduced from the Low Countries 400 years ago."

                Whilst hops may have arrived on these shores from the Low Countries, they actually originate from China.

                To quote your good self, "Learn something every day, don't we?"

                Your original arguments, as put forward to the OP (Daggersedge), were flawed, and they remain flawed.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

            Psyx:

            You really are deranged. You must realise that all but one of your counter arguments can be counter argued by going just a little further back in time than you do don't you.

            You are completely wrong about the origin of curry which has been pointed out already. You are only correct if you chose to define curry as Indian curry, which you point out you did not. Fail.

            The size and scope of your arguments diminish with each possible repost. I agree with the others, you are a berk.

            1. Psyx
              FAIL

              Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

              "You must realise that all but one of your counter arguments can be counter argued by going just a little further back in time than you do don't you."

              Off you go then: Put together a reasonable counter-argument to mine, which is that everything typically viewed as English and 'great' and a rallying call for out cultural identity is essentially a localised import, instead of name-calling.

              I'd be interested to know how far back in time you want to go in order to tell me that potatoes and tea are English!

              1. h4rm0ny

                Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                "Off you go then: Put together a reasonable counter-argument to mine, which is that everything typically viewed as English and 'great' and a rallying call for out cultural identity is essentially a localised import, instead of name-calling. I'd be interested to know how far back in time you want to go in order to tell me that potatoes and tea are English!"

                I have one - talking about the weather. No other nationality does it like the British are obsessed with doing. It seems to be a cultural perculiarity arising from our geographic circumstances. It seems to arise spontaneously in whatever people inhabit these isles.

                There you go - a definably English trait that cannot be traced to any foreign culture. Talking about the weather shall be our new culturally defining trait. Instead of that nonsense about answering questions on the Queen, immigrants will be expected to hold a conversation about the weather for ten to fifteen minutes without hesitation or repetition. If they can do that, they get the stamp and they're in. ;)

                1. Psyx
                  Pint

                  Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                  "I have one - talking about the weather. No other nationality does it like the British are obsessed with doing. It seems to be a cultural perculiarity arising from our geographic circumstances. It seems to arise spontaneously in whatever people inhabit these isles."

                  Interestingly, that's not really a habit borne out of interesting in discussing our weather. It's a cultural thing certainly, but it's more a social development: It's a 'safe' area of small-talk for starting a conversation. It's not class related and everyone knows the rules. We don't *really* need to debate the weather with people constantly: It's just a social mechanism.

                  qv 'Watching the English'.

                2. Some Beggar

                  Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

                  "immigrants will be expected to hold a conversation about the weather for ten to fifteen minutes without hesitation or repetition"

                  I'd vote for this.

                  Unless it's drizzling. I've just had my hair done. Democracy is very important but I'm not risking a frizzy do for it.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

      "Who will fight for Britain?"

      Not you; according to this (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/1501573) you live in France!

      1. Daggersedge

        Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

        Yes, indeed I do and I am fighting for Britain in my own way by doing so. You see, the British government now no longer gets a penny of my money. And that means neither does the diversity or lefties like you.

        Nearly 5 million other Brits have done the same thing. We have money and skills and we have taken them elsewhere. Britain has replaced us with Third World types who have neither money nor skills; they just take, take, take.

        The more you and your type 'celebrate diversity', the more honest, hard-working Brits will leave until the welfare state collapses. That's the plan. Maybe the diversity will take over first, though. I won't be facing the sharp end of their swords, though, but you and your type will. Enjoy.

        1. Some Beggar

          Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

          @daggersedge

          You're aware that there are about three times as many Muslims here in France as there are in the UK ... right?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

            It's ok, he just wants to leach off French muslim taxpayers and their nice social services ;)

            Plus, have you ever looked up "buerette" (NSFW), I say,

            ding dong!

            1. Some Beggar
              Facepalm

              Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

              He feels so strongly about islam, immigration and welfare in the UK that he's move to a country over TWENTY miles away that has more muslims, more immigrants, and a larger welfare state.

              Il est pas tombé de Charybde en Scylla. Il a sauté.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

            The 'they' everyone really means are the muslims - particularly Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis that seem to be swamping our shores from their own lands like an overflowing septic tank.

            The muslims are a primitive 3rd world cult that havnt developed culturally since the middle ages and that follow the teaching of a paedophile who invested his own religeon based on christianity to cover up shagging a 9 year old. A bit like Rob Hubbard / Scientology but the details are a lot less credible...

            Muslims just dont belong here and don't integrate and thats the real problem that many here alude to...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

        "Who will fight for Britain?" why, the French Foreign Legion of course, silly !

        Bit like in a Certain Baltic Country where one of the most rabid "defenders of nationalism" lives comfortably in, you guessed it ... Germany.

        He's currently being prosecuted by the Baltic Country for impersonating a government organisation on his web site - and also for publicly threatening a national lawyers' organisation with physical harm, presumably the one that is involved in prosecuting him for the impersonation, who also as part of that are going to remove his original "services to the country" medal, for being a dick.

    4. Some Beggar
      Devil

      Re: So what are the lefties among you going to do when the diversity takes over Britain?

      OMG! The diversity is coming to get me! The diversity is coming to get me! Help! Help! Don't let them diversificate me! Oh the humanity!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Never mind all the fine details, what I want to know is, are they about defending "English", in which case maybe they''d like to learn some, judging by their title, or perhaps they meant to call themselves the "England" Defence League, but FAILed? Or perhaps they are defending someone called Mr English, I hope he''s not too stressed by his new friends :P

    To sum up, English-"WHAT" Defence League?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The English People, you fuckwit. The ethnic group that comprises the majority population of the British Isles, descended largely from saxon and celtic stock and still genetically identifiable as a homogenous ethnic group across most of the country.

      If you're going to poke fun, do so from knowledge.

      1. Some Beggar
        FAIL

        "The ethnic group that blah blah blah"

        What does ethnicity have to do with the EDL? Their supposed intention is to combat extremist Islam.

        Are you confusing them with some of the more openly white supremacist nutballs?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          You might even think that he was interested in Saxons and Celts in the hope of connecting himself culturally with "Aryans" or something...

          And somehow the genetics change 100% at the regional borders, like England-Scotland or England-Wales :P

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Oh, I was assuming it was trains or something ;)

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You forgot Nordic, Dutch and French roots of UK society, and apparently there were some short military guys from somewhere near modern Italy? ;)

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You don''t like the Angles or the Normans for some reason? How about the Jutes or the Visigoths? They're not welcome either? ;)

      5. Anonymous John

        Re The English People, you fuckwit.

        I'm half Welsh. What would happen to me if the EDL took over? Would I have to move to Wales, or could I spend half the year in England?

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        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Re The English People, you fuckwit.

          Probably it depends on if your Welsh herritage involves a Black Sheep or a White one!

        4. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Re The English People, you fuckwit.

          That depends if you are a Muslim or not! EDL are an anti Islamic organisation.

      6. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

        "however by 2010 several major Y DNA studies presented more complete data, showing that the oldest-surviving male lineages had mostly migrated to Britain from the Balkans, and ultimately from the Middle East"

        http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene_2.html

        "For the English, their defining period was the arrival of Germanic tribes known collectively as the Anglo-Saxons. Some researchers suggest this invasion consisted of as few as 10,000 to 25,000 people—not enough to displace existing inhabitants. "

        "Probably what we're dealing with is a majority of British people who were dominated politically by a new elite," Miles said. "They were swamped culturally but not genetically."

        "One such change is the emergence of a Celtic identity in Britain. There are no historical references to Celts in ancient Britain."

        "In the 18th and 19th centuries, as Ireland, Wales, and Scotland started to assert national identity, they began to talk about themselves as Celts," Miles added.

      7. Psyx
        WTF?

        "The English People, you fuckwit. The ethnic group "

        So are you saying that the EDL beliefs and biases are aligned along ethnic lines and genetics? That they seek to favour one genetic group over others?

  16. vic 4

    RE: didn't have a clue why

    Or possibly don't really have a care? Essentially the core of "members" are football hooligans, particularly those who turn up for most protests. I really doubt that many members care if they end up fighting someone because they are a Muslim or support a different football team.

    Unfortunately, there are idiots on both sides, the EDL were after all formed in response a number of protests that struck a lot of people as very inappropriate. There is unfortunately a seeming plentiful supply of people willing to jump on a reason as an excuse for causing trouble.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: RE: didn't have a clue why

      Sir, in my time and due to my enjoyment in watching live football, I have over the years met or known many a 'football hooligan' (this is something that just happens when you spend a few seasons surrounded by them in the same seat) and very, very few of them have been racist. More of them have however been far-left, 'full-on' ALF types though. You know, left wingers into fisticuffs and rather more selective forms of violence in the name of cute, cuddly, furry things.

      Your assertion that there is some sort of equivalence between the EDL/racism and football hooliganism is an attitude that is stuck in the 80's and is one that is highly stereotypical of the modern supporter of the game. It is an inaccurate stereotype.

      However, in general, you are right about the fighting in which they may engage. All they seem to seek is the adrenaline associated with the punch-up. The reason for the violence is almost, if not totally, irrelevant to them.

      1. vic 4

        Re: RE: didn't have a clue why

        Don't think I mentioned football hooligans being racists.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: RE: didn't have a clue why

          If you didn't, you haven't been to a football match in Glasgow :P

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: RE: didn't have a clue why

          "Don't think I mentioned football hooligans being racists."

          You are correct. May bad on that point then.

  17. Triggerfish

    I fully support Diversity

    If they hadn't beat that Susan Boyle in Britain's got talent we'd have had to listen to a lot more of her.

  18. dfgdfg

    That's a shame. The white working class suffer the most from mass immigration, and they deserve their say like any other group. All those immigrants you hear about do not end up in the suburbs doing jobs middle class people don't want to do, and living in the houses middle class people don't want to live in.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Quite - if they can protest and say we should beheaded for insulting mohammed, we should have the right to protest and say that they should be shipped back cattle class to where they came from for being ungreatful low life scum.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Some of them get middle class housing in the suburbs:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233533/Hate-preacher-Abu-Qatada-new-home-taxpayers-expense.html

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