OMG They are talking to el'reg?
"A statement supplied to the Register by the fruitchomp firm has this to say"
When did Apple start allowing you to read their holy scriptures again?
Apple has finally spoken out about its new maps application that has raised howls of protest from users, who claim it is less detailed and full of mistakes. Users have been chronicling the differences between the new maps app in iOS6 and the Google maps app on iOS5 it replaces saying the user experience has worsened and the …
I'm afraid to say that, just lately, the sudden apple-love and apple-exposure for sometimes nonsensical things has me worried.
I expect The Reg to be at least neutral in its outlook. If it's not, that worries me that there are backhanders and other incentives being passed around lately, especially given the recent iPhone review. If that's true, I find it a little disgusting to be honest, and will move on as I have from other sites that have sold out.
Personally, I'd like to see some sort of official statement to the effect that they aren't receiving something in exchange for these positive reviews and incessant mentions in unrelated articles. Absence of such a statement I will really take to be confirmation that it's true (because such things would be done under a NDA / NQA basis).
Seriously, Reg? Where'd all the Apple mentions come from this past year, when before it was no more than yet-another-IT-company?
I sincerely hope the El Reg doesn't go all neutral on us, the by-line is "biting the hand that feeds IT". El Reg should always be a little bit on the harsh side and open to offer major critique where it is due, over the top sometimes even. With a by-line like "biting the hand that feeds IT" you'd assume that advertisers would piss off, but no, El Reg has been really, really harsh on MS and MS would still put their adverts on the site.
As for why so many Apple adverts, I mean articles, because they have journalists who are Apple fanatics so are more likely to publish an Apple story?
... but often because they deserve it.
As a user (and, mostly, fan) of MS products, I keep coming back here because the articles (and comments) pointing out Redmond's flaws are usually well-informed and not just the vitriol of a hater. It quickly puts an end to any fanboy tendencies I may have.
Keep on biting the hand that feeds, and I hope I will always be willing to read and listen to intelligent people who disagree with me.
I dislike them as much as the next and this is another news article which isn't very friendly to them....
Not sure what your reading...
Anyway, unless you ever bothered to check the site said its completely unbiased when you signed up (it may do, it may not, I've not checked nor care) then really you don't have much to stand on?
It's kind of hard to ignore one of the biggest sellers of technical devices, no matter how much you dislike them.
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It seems Apple only talk to El Reg when they're at PR Defcon 1. At least I hope it's that, and not return for favourable coverage of the newest version of the world's most shiniest toy.
Should this shitty implementation of an attempt to grab Googles "Google Earth" (and all the others) market share not read:
"We are excited to offer this service with innovative new features like Flyover and Siri integration, and free turn by turn navigation. We launched this new map service knowing that it is a major initiative and we are just getting started with it."
More like this:
"We are excited to offer this service with innovative new features like Flyshit and Silly integration, and free crash and burn navigation. Blah, blah, blah...."
Unfortunately without jailbreaking the device, neither the default map-handler (nor browser) may be changed. Therefore every address link will open the Apple app, and every app using location services will do so as well, thus breaking the user experience in all of those.
iOS uses an unofficial protocol of "maps://" to identify links to the mapping service. Last time I looked it interpreted "maps://maps.google.com" as a link to the local mapping app, ignoring the domain. However replacing "maps://" with "http://" would still take you to google maps, so app developers could hard wire their apps to go to google that way. (Of course getting apple to put an updated app that does this in the store might be tricky. And they did appear to be chopping and changing their map handling in previous betas of iOS 6 so I'm not 100% sure that this is still the case.) Could be a stopgap till apple maps catch up... Or a massive waste of effort... YMMV!
Cloud based... hehe.
So how are users going to improve horrifically poor resolution on satellite imagery? Will Apple be supplying canons to fire your phone out up into the air with software that takes a snap at max altitude?
Presumably the more people try to use the petrol stations on top of skyscrapers, the better the accuracy will get.
Not even Google's "satellite imagery" is particularly detailed. Satellite imaging isn't that good. In fact, the problem you're referring to is entirely due to the poor resolution of the available satellite images.
To get those close-up images of individual cars parked in driveways, you need to pay someone to fly over the country and take photographs. It's called "aerial photography" and Apple are clearly going to need time to fill in the gaps. Even Google still has a way to go to achieve 100% coverage of the planet's land masses.
Here in Italy, great swathes of the countryside are devoid of detail. And that's in Google Maps, not just Apple's new Maps app. So it's not just Apple.
Mapping the planet is a constant work in progress—a permanent beta. Nobody has "perfect" coverage. Ever.
Hmmm. Yes, but my house is visible on Google Maps. You can't even find my town on Apple's satellite imagery. Even back in the early days of Google Maps the town existed (on the actual map it appears to be about 5miles east of the right place). Ho hum. Looking at London Bridge station I'd say Apple decided that 3 year old imagery would be just fine.
Indeed the satellite image coverage is very hit and miss .. I saw very similar results when I started to use the Google supplied maps on my iPhone 3GS three years ago .. it slowly got better but now I've upgraded that same 3GS to iOS6 its like going back in time ... very disappointing and I've been using the "report a problem" button a lot over the last 24 hours!
It is clear to me Apple know it was going to be like this as they have included a very comprehensive problem reporting form directly within the Maps application.
I'm Googling for an easy way to downgrade back to iOS5, the maps app is that important to me 8-(
Bing satellite maps are better for me - Google are not that good at all. I've been using the iOS maps application today - seems fine - I'm sure other people may be having issues (as it's new) but I doubt 100% of people find Google Maps perfect either.
"Satellite imaging isn't that good. In fact, the problem you're referring to is entirely due to the poor resolution of the available satellite images."
I would not call the, IIRC, 0.9m panchromatic channel of IKONOS, or Quickbird's 0.6m channel exactly "poor resolution". I mean, we could see fenceposts and road markings on the scenes, let alone an entire car (that was, in fact, the first time we played "look, I can see my car from space").
This was in the pre-Google Earth days (2001-2003) when we were using their data.
Quite so. Back when most folks around here, we're in nappies, Google maps also sucked. How did they improve it??...well, OMG...they asked users for feedback - just like Apple. They had a feedback page where you could enter gps info, post codes, street info....JUST LIKE APPLE IS DOING NOW.
There simply isn't another way of doing it except to crowd source for better info.
Actually, most folks here sound as if they still wear nappies and are very wet behind the ears.
I agree with you that this is exactly the sort of thing that Jobs abhorred and came down like a ton of bricks on people for. Not that there weren't problems with services under his watch but that was relatively unimportant stuff like @mac or "mobile me".
This is the sort of thing that, if it is allowed to rumble is very bad for a company's image. Be interesting to see how well Apple's PR swings into action to deal with disgruntled customers as well as they did with the antenna problems: bumper or shiny new phone. Will depend largely on the scale of the fuck up.
... try living in the Italian countryside sometime. Until iOS 6, my home town was hidden by clouds. (Yes, exactly as is being complained of in the Apple Maps app by others.)
Maps are ALWAYS a work in progress. They're never done. And with a dataset as big as an entire planet, expecting perfection out of the box is idiotic. Sorry, but it just is.
Yes, the aerial photography needs work, but Google's early efforts were no better and certainly aren't glitch-free even today. Oh sure, you'll get excellent details of major cities like London and Rome, but the further out you get from either, the lower the detail and accuracy.
Google also clearly couldn't be bothered to update their iOS Maps app for years, so Apple naturally got fed up and decided to go for the nuclear option. I can't say I blame them.
Google will doubtless release a magically upgraded and improved iOS Maps app sooner rather than later. I'm betting you'll be encouraged to enter your Google account details to "get the most" out of it. (I.e. give Google even more data about your every single move. For free. Nice con, that: convincing your raw materials suppliers to give it all to you for nothing, so you can benefit from fat profit margins. And making them feel like they're doing you a favour? Priceless!)
Yes Sean, you're quite right. Google's lack of clarity for your Italian idyll is clearly enough to balance the waves of criticism for Apple's offering. We now see that Google was never in fact "better".
Also, I believe the maps app was always Apple's doing, using Google data although I am prepared to be proven wrong.
Google may come to iOS users' rescue eventually although if I understand the situation, when Apple used Google's data, Apple had to pay them for it. If Google provide a maps app, no more payment? So maybe not so straightforward as all that.
Surely Apple has enough in the warchest to pay Google for licensing fees.
This decision certainly wasn't anything to do with consumers since the Apple Maps solution is demonstrably poorer than the thing it replaced. To echo the poster above - I'm surprised they released it in this state.
"This decision certainly wasn't anything to do with consumers since the Apple Maps solution is demonstrably poorer than the thing it replaced."
No, I suspect it was meant as a punishment for Google because of Android, but it kinda back-fired.
Apple being Apple can't back down now either, so they're stuck with sorting this mess. It makes me smile, I don't really like Apple - basically for this reason, they have you by the nuts and if they want to shaft you, they will. I can't help but feel for the users though, losing functionality without being able to replace it sucks.
@Sean Baggaley 1: "Maps are ALWAYS a work in progress."
Absolutely - I've seen ridiculous things on every mapping technology I've ever used. Google maps still suggests that cars can drive on a strictly pedestrian walk-way locally, and my sat-nav routinely doesn't know about new/changed roads and intersections.
Interestingly, the satellite imagery in our area is significantly more up to date than the Google images - developments completed years ago are on the Apple Maps but not in Googles. The problem works both ways depending on the age and source of your data.
Sorry Sean but thats bollocks, I live in a field in the middle of no where in the UK and the google maps and satellite images are first rate.
The Apple maps in IOS6 are shit according to my Apple using colleagues, its nothing to do with a work in progress when the fundamental basis of the map is so totally rubbish.
I suggest you sniff your hands Sean as polishing a turd just leaves you with a shiny turd and shit on your hands!
I hope Apple pay you well.
... try living in the Italian countryside sometime
Stop press: Google doesn't take the photos but buys them in from agencies, which is Europe are generally government agencies who control zoom level, degree of detail and explain what cannot be shown. And in most countries those photographs are very up to date as they are basis for all kinds of agreements, bills and even fines (tree-felling). In Italy the images generally come from Cnes/Spot Image, to whom you can now address your complaint.
It would be good if Google were allowed to release an updated version of Google maps so that customers could choose which app they prefer but don't the I-tunes store statutes prohibit just such competition with Apple software?
"Oh sure, you'll get excellent details of major cities like London and Rome, but the further out you get from either, the lower the detail and accuracy."
I was just looking at satellite images of a small private animal sanctuary 90 miles out of Durban, South Africa in the middle of nowhere.
I could zoom down to see the main house, sheds, the works, and even got driving directions down bush tracks to get there.
By the sounds, that's better than Apple has managed in major sections of the UK, and this is a place visited by a handful of people every year who are highly unlikely to afford an android device.
Apple maps are rubbish - I was shocked that they would let such an unpolished app on their device. Jobs would never have allowed that.
I think if he were alive, someone else would be dead.
My understanding of the Apple "brand" is that the user experience makes up for the expense and the lock-in. If they start shipping the same crud as the rest of the tech business, they'll have to start charging the same prices and offer the same hack-a-bility.
This also means that trip data from phone owners (knowing or not) will be used to improve the mapping?
IOS Spy in your pocket - no thanks.
http://maps.nokia.com or of course, any Nokia phone with this already baked in.
Fanbois do yourself a favour, get yourself a ladder & get out of the walled garden, the Blight problem is serious this time. If you stay you'll be lost forever.
The road I live on doesn't exist on OSM (fair enough, it's only been there for 13 years) nor does the road it comes off (again, it's only existed for 20+ years). So no problems there.
To all the Apple apologists out there, it doesn't matter that Google's satellite views were a bit shit at first. Apple are competing with Google Maps as it exists *now*. You can't replace one app with another that's significantly inferior without expecting to get kicked for it.
Yeah, Apple's licensing TomTom data... which used to be TeleAtlas, until the map data buying frenzy that had TomTom buying TeleAtlas, and Nokia scrambling to get the other one, Navigon. They may have some OSM data n there for places not well served by TomTom.
Ironically, it was this dash by device manufacturers that messed with Google Maps' long-term licensing and got Google into the mapping business. This is actually different than the Google Earth data. Google Earth was originally a program from Keyhole, Inc. which Google acquired in 2005 or so. Keyhole was funded by the American Central Intelligence Agency, via their In-Q-Tel. In-Q-Tel works to fund new technology that's useful to spies but also regular folks -- prior to Google Earth, the ability to zoom in on anyone's home or car, anywhere on Earth, might have seemed to be kind of a James Bond thing. Afterwards, no biggie.
What the hell? All services online are "cloud-based".
I hate these buzzwords. What they mean is "we want you to fix our broken shit for us".
What they should have done is made it Maps Beta, and the apple faithful could go through and fix everything, while others still used Google Maps.
...have been slapped hard in the face with this one.
Added to that... they've been denied the chance to have a phone with one of those increasingly popular large screens - for at least another year, all at a point where the competition is really hotting up.
Apple - the biggest company in the world - still offers just a single phone, operating an ageing interface which is looking increasingly long-in-the-tooth.
But religion is hard to shake. Lots of people have worshipped at the fruity altar for years, and it's going to hurt to walk away from the clan.
It ...just... works....
Apple's got more to lose than win by following the crowd directly. They make a huge pile of cash, they have people waiting in line to buy their one new phone this year (albeit, an event they carefully orchestrate with leaks, press teases, The Big Announcement a week before online availability, a week before in-store, planned limits on units to get both "sold out" and "record breaking" in the news, etc.
In short, they're selling crazy numbers... all being the most conservative smartphone company on the planet. Why change? They can cherrypick the best of the innovations from elsewhere in the industry, see which of these seem to fit without problem into Apple's idea of an iPhone, etc.
As usual, expect the guys really hungry for market share to try new ideas. Those that win, that's an innovation.. those that don't, end-of-the-year humor columns. And every company has a better shot at these than Apple, simply because the traditional phone companies are releasing 6-12+ new models per year. A few of these can be gambles. And that's necessary to innovate.
I'm not sure. Look what Steve Jobs said about Apple and "its attitude of arrogance" (his words) back in 2007 (shortly after returning to Apple) and its very hard not to agree with him:
He's talking about the old Apple and the Mac of course, but every word fits perfectly at today's Apple and the iPhone. "Reinventing the wheel might end up 10% better but usually it ends up 50% worse" -- just classic.
was clearly a feature Google wouldn't give Apple for /any/ money, since it's not Google's own data to start with.
So Apple had to go on their own. Might as well go the whole way and replace the whole thing. I don't think Google would allow Apple to use their data and offer third-party turn-by-turn on top.
Incidentally the new maps work well for me and the richly detailed 3D city models are amazing.
the old maps app used data licensed and sourced from Google. Apple had only very little leeway to do anything with that data apart from displaying maps. Which was good and fine in 2007 but not today.
Now Apple has its own data and can offer map APIs to third-party app developers to do whatever they want with it in their own apps.
In a perfect world the data would be as good or better as Google, but it obviously isn't. I have no idea if Apple was just lazy and cheap and couldn't be bothered to buy better data or if this just a really tough job. But I have no doubt that staying with Google here was not an option for Apple. They're between a rock and a hard place. Even renewing the contract with Google and still not being able to offer navigation would have led to much ridicule too.
And really, Apple was *never* good at much besides hardware. Building a global mapping/navigation database is nothing you do in a few months or even two years anyway.
Apparently Apple has been working on Maps for years already.
And someone at Cupertino figured out there was a problem because they've been advertising jobs for 'mapping experts' in the last couple of weeks.
Which is made of fail anyway, because the app itself is fine, if you ignore the tolerable rough edges. What sucks is the lack of data, and the obvious screaming an-idiot-did-this mistakes.
My random worthless guess is that Apple outsourced data entry to China or India for a few bowls of rice and a corporate contribution or two. No one bothered to do basic checks on spelling or data integrity - or if they did, they were low-level underlings who were ignored and probably fired.
Manudjment were too arrogant to pay attention to the shit storm of criticism from the beta testers.
And there goes the brand.
What happens next defines whether or not anyone still cares what Apple is doing a year from now.
Apple wasn't licensing Google's data... they were providing an iOS version of Google Maps. This did what every other version of Google maps does, from the same current data. I mean, really, if the data were from 2007 .. well, Google couldn't have licensed their data. They didn't "go native" with their own data until 2009.
There were two problems with Google Maps. First of all, Google didn't offer Google Navigation on iOS or platforms other than Android. And with Nokia also offering turn-by-turn in Windows Phone (not sure about MS themselves), this is rapidly becoming a standard function of all smartphones. So Apple had to do something with it.
Next was Apple's typical greed -- Google's not just a sometime competitor, they get access to Apple customers with Google tools, without having to pay Apple 30% of their profits. They might well have been the only one left in the Apple ecosystem getting away with this. So it had to end, regardless of the effect on end-users.
“I’m really sorry about this, but i can’t take any requests right now.”
Siri's actually been completely broken for me for the last couple of days, either showing what I said but never doing anything with it or simply sitting there spinning for a few minutes before giving up.
What really surprises me is how Siri can be so badly programmed that it can't go from a successful voice recognition of "Call XXX", yet sit there for a good thirty seconds before actually going ahead and calling XXX - or failing altogether.
Despite XXX being someone in my contacts that the original 'Voice Control" thingy handles instantly.
So I've given up and killed her (him? it?), as the only thing I've ever successfully used Siri for is phoning people in my contacts, as that's pretty much all Siri is apparently capable of if you're not in the USA.
All the fandroids keep spouting off their Google Maps? It's Crap! Nokia make THE best maps for a mobile device, and from driving to/from Germany on a fortnightly basis using the iOS 6 beta and maps it's really good and thats a mix of autoroute's / motorways / autobahns and town / village roads.
I don't get what the big reaction is.... no problems here and a very happy iOS 6 maps user :)
Depends on where you live. For most places, Google Maps data are actually the best.. even other mapping companies like Waze acknowledge this. I had always heard that, before Google did their own turn-by-turn database, TeleAtlas had the best data for Europe, in general, and NAVTEQ had the best in North America (they powered Garmin, which was generally better in the US than TomTom, which used TeleAtlas).
Nokia did start this all, and in a weird way, they pushed the creation of Google Maps. They decided that turn-by-turn maps would become a standard feature of smartphones, and set out to buy a mapping company. There were two serious contenders. Nokia tried to buy TeleAtlas, but TomTom beat them out. So Nokia got NAVTEQ, the other guys. And that's the basis upon which the Lumia and, in fact, all the Windows 8 Phone mapping is done.
Google had been licensing data from both of these guys at some point. Once two mobile device companies bought the mapping companies, it was clear that mobile map data might not be so available in the future -- thus, Google gets into the mapping biz.
It's hugely interesting that Reg's good review of the iPhone 5 and subsequent reporting of news stories around it seems to go down so badly with commenters on here these days. In the comments above, and over the last few days, are various mentions of impartiality on the part of El Reg, even kickbacks from Apple, and constant jibes about iSheep, Apple fanbois etc. There are also constant pro-Android statements and attendant back-slapping, and almost any comment with even a slight perceived Apple slant gets marked down hugely while anything anti-Apple or Pro-Android gets marked up.
It seems to me, as an impartial observer with a good working knowledge of all the devices at stake, that it's not so much that El Reg has changed in any way but that the readership (or commentship at least) has. Why does any post regarding Apple suddenly feel like the comments section of a YouTube video? Where did all the insightful wit go to be replaced by a team of ignorant Android evangelism?
It all feels very 1995 to me. But I now expect a torrent of red arrows for not slagging off the biggest company in the world. I must be a communist or something. Go Android! Woo! iSheep suck! Woo! etc.
The interesting and witty posts are, as you say becoming something of a rarity. But from my own observations I don't usually see that pattern of down-voting (like it even matters). Any reasoned or supported statement or opinion is generally accepted. Of course there are always knobs on all sides who'll down-vote facts they don't like.
But I think the typical fAndroid is more a reaction against the emergence of the fanbois. You must surely concede that the media give Apple a disproportionate amount of coverage, much of it highly uncritical. And I can't recall the last time there were people queueing overnight for a new Android phone. In fact I recall complaining that this very site barely mentioned the official announcement of Ice Cream Sandwich and what it offered for several days whereas every rumour of a leak for Apple gets a dedicated story.
So that's my opinion. Sad to see the quality of comments drop but it's a reaction to the lowering of jouralism standards.
in other news,,,,,
Scientists measuring the irregularity in the axis the earth spins on have detected a sudden and spectacular rise in its irregularity....
They have tracked the cause of this added irregularity to a plot of land in Alta Mesa, where approximately 6 feet below ground, the remains of Steve Jobs are turning rapidly after the release of the mapping service on IOS6
So it's good at the things TomTom is good for and rubbish for the things Tom Tom sucks at. The trouble is, the old Google-supplied maps were good for so much more than TomTom!
I was hoping for the latest Ordnance Survey maps and/or OSM with the gaps filled in and added shiny goodness, so this is VERY disappointing and very un-Apple-like. On the plus side, at least having played with the new maps on an old iPad, I know not to upgrade my iPhone yet...
Why Apple don't use maps from the Ordnance Survey and other countries equivalents is beyond me - that with OSM, TomTom and other overlays could be awesome!
Ho-hum. Happy Friday everybody!
How did Google get so many detailed info about everything to include those on the maps?
Yes, thru common people, users using its maps and providing fixes to them.
So, why is it now a crime for Apple to request it users to fix their databases and maps, uh?
They couldn't obviously copy the data from Google.. surely Google would have sued them if that happened.
So why now Apple users should not like or be afraid of providing fixes to Apple?
They did it to Google when Apple was using Google maps.
It costs nothing to people to send fixes. And all users combined can provide all the needed fixes worldwide in a few weeks/months.. if Apple is then quick at adding the fixes the maps will get bug free in a short period of time.
No, its just a crime for a such a cash laden company to release such a crap product.
Why did they not release it in beta and allow the map corrections that way while still having access to the old Google powered maps? This way, people could have improved it while still being able to use a more reliable map in the process.
Better still - why does Apple not allow competing products on their precious ios? fear of others developing superior products?
I've been supplyuing corrections to Giggle maps for ages, mostly duplicate businesses and those located by postcode, not address. I've not really minded because I didn't pay anything to use gurgle maps.
But I bought a TomTom, and even though they have a corrections facility I won't use it as I get no discounts.
If Iphones were free, I might help them out free of charge.
A year or so ago Apple bought a small independent map company. The new maps app was totally predictable.
Google, Garmin, and NAVTEQ have long since solicited user input and corrections. The only reason Apple maps lack accuracy is that government and public sources are not as good as the user updated source from NAVTEQ that others have been using all these years.
"We are excited to offer this service with innovative new features like Flyover and Siri integration, and free turn by turn navigation. "
And how many of these things do I get on my iPod Touch (4th gen) as minor compensation for the poor maps? None at all.
I've also disabled Safari syncing to stop the browser reporting what web pages I've opened, as part of iCloud Tabs. How long before that's exploited maliciously?
So far, iOS 6 seems like a downgrade.
To everyone suggesting that you in install the Google Maps web app.
It brings up the same maps as the old Google maps but performance wise its a piece of $h!+.
I loaded it on my Iphone 4s and zooomed in and out a few times then searched for directions and the thing crashed quicker than a drunken 17 year old in a Golf GTI.
Web apps do not have the performance of fully native apps due to the numerous limitations imposed on them by the operating system, and the fact that they have to be translated through so many layers before they reach machine level code.
On a desktop or PC with gigabytes of ram and multiGhz multicore processors - not so much of a problem;Google Maps is used every day. However on a mobile device... not such a good idea.
Web [cr]apps on iOS are at best a stop gap and at worst a pathetic cop out for developers who don't want to extend themselves and learn some real code - so I guess I can't be disappointed with my Maps experience.
I really think they should have kept google maps until their own version was at least as good. Apple asking their customers to correct their own bad workmanship because they couldnt be bothered to check everything worked 100% is not a very smart p.r. move.
Saying it will get better as time goes on wont wash with users who are used to the superior google maps suddenly being `upgraded` to this.
This is just bad publicity for Apple and takes the spotlight away from the few mediocre upgrades the phone has.
I have no idea how they would go about besting street view though, thats going to take some serious time and investment.
In almost all respects the iphone5 is a marked improvement over the 4s - faster, better screen, non-glass back, etc etc. And a non-shatterprone back too.
One of the best uses of a modern smartphone is the GPS navigation. You might not need it very often, but when you do it is quite a lifesaver. So it is a stupid decision to deprive your own customers of a working solution, just because it was made by a rival, and replace it with something this half baked.
Not the sky views.. I'm pretty sure Apple's not getting those from users. But they can crowdsource the actual mapping data, it they like. I don't know if Google does any of this, given all those self-driving Google vans and cars out there. But they sure could.
The Waze folks have done a decent job, at least in my part of the USA, given their crowdsources map software. Then again, they've been doing it for four years... and they also claim that Apple's maps suck. And they're not as detailed as Google's, either.
But the real FAIL here -- was that really an iOS screenshot of the new app? I mean, after this whole Samsung thing, is Apple really copying Google's mapping icons pixel for pixel. Shouldn't that be... oh, wait. They're Apple. When they rip someone off, it's a very different thing. Not sure why, but it sure seems to be.
As an Apple fanboi I am stunned by how bad Apple Maps are.
I have updated my iPhone 4 to iOS6 and there are some nice updates but Maps certainly isn't one of them - it is the reason my iPad will remain on iOS5.11
The main reason I think Apple Maps is a major downgrade is not the lack of the new features on the iPhone4 (most are only available on the 4s or above) or the lack of detail on the "satellite" view or the astonishing inaccuracies (if TomTom is this inaccurate I am even more pleased I use CoPilot) but one feature I use all the time in Google Maps is StreetView which is completely missing in Apple Maps and no one else seems to have noticed.
Watching people try and defend this on iPhone forums makes me realise just how brainwashed some people are.
Hopefully Google will release their maps in the app store, if not, I will have to wait until it is released in cydia.
This, IMHO, is the biggest cock-up Apple have made to date.
The iPhone5 is still the best phone available but I can imagine many people buying Android or even WM8 (if they can wait that long) devices instead due to this farcical maps implementation.
iOS duly installed I fired up Maps on my iPhone 4S. The first thing you notice is the FUCKING SPEED, it absolutely shits on Google Maps for speed and responsiveness. Second, you get Apple's strange monochromatic view of British roads - this is a big mistake - we absolutely have to have blue motorways, yellow A roads and green B roads. thirdly, the satellite image of my town is SHIT, even more annoying is that a couple of mile down the road it becomes outstandingly sharp and bang up to date. Annoying. turn by turn and traffic is really good, as is the TomTom method of displaying road names. Flyover is pretty much a gimmick, pretty though it is. These are the other excellent apps I also use for nav on my iPhone: Google Maps, Google Earth, Motion X GPS (Bing) and OutSide (OS et al). You'll not go hungry for maps in iOS.