China could penetrate US with new huge missile It might be time to sweep the cobwebs out of that old nuclear bunker at the bottom of the garden after reports in state-run Chinese media confirmed that the People’s Liberation Army is actively developing an intercontinental missile capable of penetrating US defences. News first emerged of the planned ‘super missile’ from …
Admittedly, the gulf war was a while ago now... but they weren't protecting kuwait, they were protecting Israel, and the Saudi military bases.
Kuwait was the place they were about to invade...
As far as I remember, they did shoot down scuds, but tended to hit their engines rather than warheads, so, not really a big improvement when its flying over a city.
Their biggest success of the deployment was giving israel enough of a reason not to attack Iraq, which was the whole point of the scud attacks on israel, as it would've fractured the whole coalition and stopped the counter attack.
I can't vouch for the veracity of the "official" statistics, but as someone who was personally impacted by the shockwave from a Patriot intercept of a Scud, I can tell you for a fact that they did at least shoot down one of them.
However, I can also tell you, again from personal experience, that the US armed forces are a ramshackle of undisciplined and incompetent kiddies who couldn't fight their way out of a wet bogroll. Indeed, the only reason they manage to achieve any victories at all is by blasting vast payloads of canon-fodder into the field, then rolling in trillions of dollars-worth of largely dysfunctional toys, thus gaining the advantage by virtue of sheer statistical probability.
Of course, that strategy only works when one has the necessary resources, and that is something that's increasingly in short supply in America.
The YF-12 was the prototype fighter version of the SR-71. It was to have been armed. But without Google I can't remember if any flew with live weapons systems. The problem of the YF-12 was that it was hideously expensive for a combat aircraft, and worse would have made the Strategic Reconnaissance-71 suddenly become a perceived threat - after all, a ground-based radar cannot tell the two apart. So the mere overflight of an SR-71 could suddenly become an act of war, even if it was supposed to be trying to prevent one...
Before it was the SR-71*, it was a prototype interceptor called the YF-12A, armed with AIM-47 "Falcon" air-to-air missiles.
*Actually, the original version was the A-12, designed as a reconnaissance aircraft, the YF-12 was added on to the assembly line along with the prototype A-12s. The SR-71 is basically a longer, single-seat A12.
An armed interceptor version of the SR-71 was planned but had too many practical issues. Amongst weapons trialled were (IIRC) Falcon homing missiles housed in weapon bays similar to those on the later F-22. A Vulcan 20mm cannon was looked at until it was realized a full-throttle Blackbird would actually catch up with the shells and damage itself! In theory, the current recce Blackbirds could sacrifice EW bays for weapons and the original weapon bays could be retro-fitted to give a limited strike capability, but existing US jets already offer better strike capability without the need to take valuable Blackbirds out of the recce role.
I think the OP has the SR-71 confused with the YF-12. Easy to do since the have almost identical airframes, the SR-71 was a little longer and seated two. The biggest difference is that the YF-12 was made to be equipped with weapons to serve as an interceptor as well as straight recon.
Only three are confirmed to have been built.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12
Look up "Anti-Ballistic-Missile" for the history of this subject.
ABM systems are as ineffective now against saturation attack (IE all out war) as they were in the early 1960's, when they were first proposed.
And no when you declare several thousand miles of Pacific a no fly zone people tend to suspect something is being tested.
"I can realize in advance that someone might shoot me, but I can't just decide to be immune to bullets."
Well, no.
Not Immunity.
But suppose that you had senses that could detect a bullet being fired at you. Then suppose that when such an attack has been detected, you could pull out an automatic weapon with a REALLY huge magazine and return the favour to the shooter a hundred times over. How many would-be shooters are going to risk taking a pot shot at you?
Despite having a shiny new toy to play with, this is the situation China finds itself in.
And so do all the major nuclear powers, AKA MAD as you say.
But clearly anything over say 150 is "enough" against any single big adversary and this seems to be borne out by the numbers that the Majors are sticking with. Having say 6x this isn't really an advantage unless you think absolutely all the other major powers might want to wipe you out, and why would that be? ;)
I'm sure the usual suspects (Boeing, BAe, etc) are already rubbing there hands with glee offering to provide a massively expensive solution that only works every fourth Wednesday, when it's dry and sunny, below 22.34 degrees and has been service packed following further consultancy fees.
Either that, or Obama has just bought a BIG UMBRELLA...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense_systems_of_various_nations#United_States_National_Missile_defense
Both Aster launched from our Type 45's (and France and Germany) and USA systems have proven to be able to shoot down real ICBMs (Without warheads) and then there is the incredibly expensive 747 which has also shot down real ICBMs (again without warheads).....so there is some chance... Of course, this is much harder with a sub parked off your coast firing at a coastal city like New York but so far, I haven't read that anyone other than Russia, France, UK and of course the yanks having an SSBN. I guess a Tomahawk could carry a tactical though from a normal attack sub?
so you can indeed be cheery!
In reality, an ICBM isn't really the issue, normal sea transport methods are the big risk in my opinion. Its all too easy to sail a boat across the channel.
I read it, says "is not designed to be a robust shield against a large attack from a technically sophisticated adversary"
Might catch a few from a smaller rogue nation though... the only one that I can think of that probably has the required bits (missile + nuke warhead) is North Korea. But their rocket test this year failed .....
"No, they can't do anything about it"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIim3Rj7L4
Similar public information broadcasts kept me totally enthralled as a young child. All they need do is hide under the stairs or build a shelter of old doors - d'oh!
As for the headline, "China could penetrate US with new huge missile", I don't think the US will be too worried about the penetration aspect - They still have generations of UK politicians ('Call Me Dave' included) crawling around, somewhere up their anus.
:))
by spending lots of money on interceptor rockets and radar stations. Is there any realistic chance that this missile defense system would take down an intercontinental rocket? Probably not. But some people sleep better at night, because they did all they could.
Politics: Ignore the rocket science, win the elections!
"The US has bigger intercontinental missiles, mines bigger than your so don't mess with me, as they say. Kept the world safe in the cold war."
I hope that was homo(u)r? If not...
Meanwhile, back in reality central, the rest of us old enough to have lived during those times realised that what did in fact keep the world safe was not fear of bigger, better, faster or stronger, but a somewhat more humble set of fears altogether - maybe occasionally tinged with a large enough dose of sanity to assist in overcoming the political paranoia that prevailed for far too many years.
The US was not, nor has it ever been, interested in keeping the *world* safe. The US has - like most other nations and past empires - only ever been interested in self-preservation. But then, I suppose self-preservation is primal instinct number 1.
"The US has bigger intercontinental missiles, mines bigger than your so don't mess with me, as they say. Kept the world safe in the cold war."
No, they really don't.
Sheer blind luck is what kept the world safe, plus fear and caution.
Look up "throw-weight" and see why the arms reduction talks were mostly concerned about Soviet equipment. I think this dates back to rocket motor development, in terms of civilian space use you can buy hugely powerful ex-Soviet designs. Like RD-170/1 and NK-33.
"The R-36M (SS-18) is similar to the R-36 in design, but has the capacity to mount a MIRV payload of 10 warheads, each with a 550–750 kt yield, or a single warhead of up to 20 mt. Throw-weight of the missile is 8,800 kg. This makes the Soviet R-36 the world's heaviest ICBM; for comparison, the heaviest US ICBM (the retired LGM-118 Peacekeeper, that carried 10 warheads of 300 kT each) had less than a half of this at 4,000 kg. The R-36M has two stages. The first is a 460,000 kgf (4.5 MN) thrust motor with four combustion chambers and nozzles. The second stage is a single-chamber 77,000 kgf (755 kN) thrust motor."
i think the missile being "developed" in china is based on the US missile plans "stolen" from los alamos national labratories in new mexico several years back. There were several questionable occurances relating to satellites and missile systems between the US and China around that time.
The FUD is not to scare the enemy: the FUD is to scare your population so that you can run an alleged democracy as a totalitarian state, and divert large parts of its GNP through industries of your choice at arbitrary profit levels. The Cold War. The War against Communism, Star Wars. The War on Terror. The War on Climate Change..
.Europe has majored on Climate Scare to extract money, but the Yanks have never been big on it and its all falling apart now anyway, so right on cue a new scare is rolled out with the paint still wet.
21st century Fox News presents the War On Wogs. Featuring Cultural Values, A Great Profit Throughout The Land, The Yellow Peril, Contraception. Ethnicity, and Large Phallic Objects that erupt into the sky at breathtaking speed before ejaculating drops of distilled terror down on your heads.
What's hot to like?
Off-shoot of their "peaceful" space program, no doubt. It's about time the lunatic, paranoid and oppressive Chinese government was overthrown in my opinion. Can't believe government members are all as chaste and squeaky-clean as they try and make out. Who controls the controllers?
Whereas I'm sure none of those family men in the US Government would ever do anything remotely naughty. Like being caught soliciting the kind of sex they frown upon, for example, or getting bribed.
At least in China, those that fall into disfavour tend to get a lead injection, whereas in the good ol' Murrkah, they get a golden parachute.
More like get away with murder:
‘The wife of disgraced Chinese politician Bo Xilai has been given a suspended death sentence for the murder of British businessman Neil Heywood. … The sentence of death with a two-year suspension means that if Gu commits no crimes while in prison, her sentence will be commuted after two years to life imprisonment and could be further reduced for good behaviour …’ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19312232)
‘The suspended death sentence of Bogu Kaiali, wife of a disgraced Communist Party leader, has come under sharp criticism from Chinese microbloggers who say she was spared from gallows because of her princeling lineage and high status.’ (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/chinese-microbloggers-upset-with-suspended-death-s_795075.html)
I wouldn't say commuted to life imprisonment is exactly lenient. It is the standard punishment for full-on murder in most developed countries. She also was remarkably calm and dignified about her fate, saying the "sentence was appropriate" (for what she had admitted she did), none of the usual whinging and crying and "I didn't do it" that you'd get in other countries. This to me signifies respect towards society and the verdict.
Plus, technically, if she's bad in prison "real bad" they can string her up anyway. Yeah, right. ;)
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There are (were?) a few ABMs deployed around Moscow, but further deployments have been limited by treaty. Patriots are (somewhat) effective against short-range missiles with conventional warheads, but wouldn't stop a thermonuclear ICBM. Is the argument that early-warning systems would be ineffective against a threat from China?
"Recognising the potential threat from China and North Korea, the US is strategically ramping up its military presence in Asia, after years of focus on the Middle East during the Bush administration."
Welfare-warfare in overdrive action, more like.
We now "focus" on the following in no particular order:
- The whole area of the Middle East (anything that irks Israel, in particular nondead Arabs and Persians).
- ...except freedom-loving countries like Saudi-Arabia and Qatar and the home of the 5th fleet, i.e. Bahrain.
- Areas around the Mediterranean where Arabs can be found, ex-friends of Tony Blair.
- All the 'tans, if they don't have a friendly Torturemeisters in charge that we can exploit.
- The newly freedomized nation of Kosovo. Stern warnings are emitted to the enemy of the quarter-century, Serbia.
- China and its dependencies. They have ships, this is dangerous!
- Russia (apparently back in "enemy #1" spot). Putin puts pussies in jail, gotta stop that.
- Anything where Russia can be baited (i.e. "countries that may become member of NATO", "countries where the NED is active", the formerly lovely Georgia. Lately, Romania where we now uphold Romania's constitution for some reason. We are also putting "Anti-Iran Missile Defenses" there.
- Yemen and Somalia and Ethiopia. Dusty countries that have something to do with something. One can send drones.
- Mexico, and the inflamed "War on Drugs" countries. Enjoy the horror.
- We "warn" and "put on notice" large swathes of South America regularly.
- Kony. Don't forget Kony!! He's bad, you know.
- Phillipines. There are terrorists there.
- Cuba.
Come on Hillary, find us new targets. We are feeling idle. How about Space Nazis?
The chinese don't need missiles or nukes to bring the US or any other country to its knees. They just need to stop selling them stuff (or ask for the trillions of $$$s of debt they hold to be repaid). This is nothing new, we learned this lesson during the oil crashes of the 1970s.
The "old fashioned" way to take over a country was by force of arms: invade, bomb the crap out of it, enforce a blockade. All very bloody and very messy. These days, to occupy a country, all you need to do is buy it up, piece by piece.
To bring the US to its knees, all the Chinese have to do is wait. The US is 16 trillion dollars in debt, by 2016 - at current rates - it'll be 21 trillion dollars in debt (more than a trillion dollars a year) and by 2020, it'll be 26 trillion dollars in debt.
And the interest repayments will be a bitch...
And by that time there will have been plenty of sovereign defaults. The U.S. will just be another one on the pile. When that happens, it will be the source of Chinese economic implosion as well. Wait! The Chinese are the largest buyer of Gold today. Do you think they've figured this out?
@pete 2 - buying a country doesn't work. What are you going to do if there's trouble? Pick up the land and take it back to China ?
@kharkov. The same principle applies to debt. What are the Chinese going to do if the US decides not to pay ? They can't exactly reposess anything now can they ?
> buying a country doesn't work.
The Americans bought (what is now) 6 whole states from the French in the 1800's. They also bought Alaska from the Russians some 60 years later. Just apply the right pressure, or wait for an opportune moment and it's a policy that seems to work - at least for one party in the deal.
@pete2 <sigh> the siuations aren't comparable. Firstly the purchase was a transfer of sovreignity, not exactly the same as buying a house or a building. Secondly it was done with full knowledge and consent. What you're advocating is stealth purchases. Finally the land in question was geographically coincident with the US. It's not as if the US bought alsace. That means it would be extremely difficult for the french to abrogate the purchase -and trying to do so would result in a war in which they would be disadvantaged logistically. If the chinese were to purchase large tracts of the US the purchases would be subject to US law, which could change anytime the US decides. It's called nationalisation. If this happened there's nothing China can do To defend these 'purchases' sonce their military support is a few thousand miles and an ocean away.
What can China do if the US decides not to pay? Fair question (the answer is 'not much') but it kind of misses the point. Not paying the Chinese will be seen (rightly) as a partial default on American Bonds & T-Bills.
Once that happens, watch the private sector - who are holding about 4 trillion dollars (this number will go up a lot in the next ten years or so) of American Debt - freak out, panic, run around like chickens with their heads cut off and then refuse to rollover their Bond/T-Bills, forcing the US to find up to 4 trillion dollars in a hurry.
Repercussions, repercussions...
ZeroHedge reckons that, if push comes to shove in the current Israel/Iran face-off:
1 - The US will provide aggressive military support to Israel
2 - The Russians will provide defensive military support to Iran
3 - China will flex its financial muscles, and dump US Treasury Bonds - thus collapsing the US economy...
Hope China does not turn into another USSR. Or rather, hope it follows the USSR into trying democracy and dismantling itself. Unfortunately China's leaders are addicted to absolute power, the worlds most potent drug. Folks like Assad, Ahmadinejad, kim jong-un will do anything, and commit any crime, to get their supply. We need more Gorbachevs and Mandelas to get us out of this mess.
That's not quite true, results included the following:-
Candidates Nominating parties Votes %
Vladimir Putin United Russia 45,513,001 63.64
Gennady Zyuganov Communist Party 12,288,624 17.18
Mikhail Prokhorov Independent 5,680,558 7.94
Vladimir Zhirinovsky Liberal Democratic Party 4,448,959 6.22
Sergey Mironov A Just Russia 2,755,642 3.85
Would you have preferred the Communist or the Oligarch Prokorov instead? Or just a weak Russia generally ;)
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"Sir, China's built a long range nuke that can hit anywhere in the US"
"Dammit, Fire up plan Star Wars III"
"ok, but that will cost a hunred billion squillion dollars"
"no problem we will just borrow the cash and increase the debt"
Meanwhile in Bejing:
"Hello, Super duper bank here"
"er,,hi we need to borrow one hundred billion squillion dollars on the US account please. we need some cool lasers and things, you know for safety"
"sure thing, oh and here is the intrest as well"
*click"
Cost of missile program = few hundred million . Cost of bankrupting your biggest competitor: Priceless
Any conflict is going to be with other asia-pac countries, there is a lot of sabre rattling over gas and oil reserves in the South and East China sea's
And don't forget that China and India glare at each other across the himilaya's and there is still large military presences on both sides of the disputed border.
I think China is more likely to be concerned with its direct competitors, who also have nuclear weapons and space launch technologies, rather than their main target market
Title should of added, "China could penetrate the US with new huge missile and create massive social unrest/unemployment in it's backyard".
They nuke US or any other major country and they no longer have anyone to buy their cheap goods!
I don't think any major power in this day and age is stupid enough to want to attack another,It's now a global economy if one fails the whole lot collapses,May as well nuke themselves as well. It's only the rogue countries that don't want to be part of the global system that is the problem, They are still living in the past.
Most Chinese stuff I've seen lately has been of perfect quality, unless it was tremendously cheap of course.
Still, they might make it slightly kitsch or tacky-looking, like aesthetically a bit "off'' due to misunderstanding the target market a little. How undignified to be wiped out by an unfashionable-looking missile, possibly with fake jewels, extra blue LEDs, or swirly silk-screened flower prints on its casings . ;)
But last time I checked the chinese have already put people in orbit and got them back safely.
Logic tells me that as soon as you can achieve earth orbit, you automatically can drop whatever you want anywhere on the planet.
So how is this news? Or startling. Or even mildly interesting?
(sic), cheaper option would be to just use infiltrators to attack key structures, (i.e. power and water or underground tunnels - ref "Battle Beneath the Earth" ). It would be cheaper and they have the man power. Or alternatively use economic tactics, (i.e. sovereign wealth funds seem peachy when you are flush).
This is a declaration of War from China. a total embargo on China should be instantly put in place. every single chinese peoples sould be immediatly deported back to china. all china asset arround the word should be freezed. a pre-emptive strike on all of china/NK millitary installation (especialy nuclear onea) should be done immediatly.
This is how you solve problems: with ACTiON, not talk. China is a ENEMY country. no amont of cheap labor will chnage that,
You guys are not insinuating that China would EVER launch an ICBM w/nuclear warhead are you? Just think, If they did launch a strike that would ruin the land for occupation for a long time. That would not be worth the effort when all China has to do is wait (which China is a master at) a few years and there will not be any reason to launch a strike the US and the rest of what has been called the WEST will not be a threat to it no matter what China dose.
Actually, you shouldn't worry too much, I heard they traditionally stored their ICBM warheads detached from their missiles in China, not sure if this is for safety or just to make the spanner-guy sweat for a laugh-
"yes, we'ŗe really launching them this time Jimmy, honestly, get a move on, look at my face "angry"' Rarrrr ! " Makes tiger gestures ...
"OK Boss!"
10 minutes later .....
"Hang on, nothing happening ... not again! Bastards!"
Anyway, MIRVs, whatever, been there, done that, in the rest of the world ..... ;)
IIRC back in the 80's the Japanense (remember when the US was scared of them?) delayed buying up the weekly portion of the US National Debt (the Treasury Bill auction IIRC) as Ronnie and the boys rhetoric was getting a bit strident.
Chilled them right out.
Of course that was when people were a bit worried that the US debt was over *one* tera dollars.
When the anti missile missile was proposed to protect all freedom loving arse kicking people like us the immediate response was that it could never cope with multi targeted warheads plus hundreds, or even thousands, of decoys.
A single decoy is a flat pack that unfolds to provide a radar reflector.
They can be deployed as a cloud in front of the warheads.
There is no planning for this and no system to counter it, other than balance of power and diplomacy, despite what people may have told you.
The new USA NMD using SM3 should catch maybe 20 actual missiles in its initial form. Intended to catch them from small rogue states, in the Middle East (or maybe North Korea?) which is its declared purpose. That's better than before for most areas.
The French Aster 30 can stop theatre missiles up to 3000km range, not full-on intercontinental types.
Other Aster variants can stop anti-shipping missiles. Same most likely applies to Russian mobile anti-missile systems.
Not going to stop, say 150-1800 MIRV-ed ones from a suddenly insane major power. That's not going to happen anyway.
The other major nuclear powers COULD fry you any time they wish, but that's been the case for the last 50 years and they haven't bothered for obvious reasons, so I don't see what you'ŗe worried about. Apart from pride, well too bad.
...here about whether or not the US can effectively down a MIRVed ICBM attack.
Unfortunately, most Reg readers do not have access to the latest intelligence regarding US capabilities in this regard. I wonder who has..Aha, that's right! The Russians and the Chinese.
You would think that, before spending a lot of money on developing an ICBM, the Chinese would have done a study on how effective it would be against US defences, wouldn't you?
Of course, we don't know if the Chinese are REALLY developing a missile, or just saying that they are. But if they are, you can be sure that they will have studied the opposition, and decided that building a missile is a worthwhile spend of their money...
without mentioning China's trusted sidekick, Russia?
No, not sidekick. They are Les frères Corses. The Brothers Corsican. Siamese twins separated at birth, all grown up now and thirsty for revenge for the hostile estrangement they experienced at their birth.
If one of China's huge ones gets through, fine, but it's the destruction of the crude oil off loading terminals in North America and Europe that's their first target. And sinking oil tankers headed to them. The oceans will run black with crude if the US, the UK, NATO, and Israel try to gain some advantage on China and Russia by attacking Iran. It could happen any time before the NATO anti-missile shield is operational, if Russia decides to make good on it's threat to launch a preemptive strike on the Polish, Czech, and Romanian installations.
Preemptive strikes like the kind Israel has used before without retaliation.
After all, what would von Clausewitz do?
If an individual borrows from a loan shark and defaults on a payment they send a scary looking big bloke/woman round to frighten them into paying up there and then preferably.
China fears that the US might get to a stage where it cannot pay the interest on the bonds bought by the Communist Party sorry err Government and obviously a state cannot compel another to pay up in the same way as an individual and the party shows contempt for its own people so the rest of the world (apart from other oppressive reigmes) are absolute scum as far as they are concerned
So imagine the following scenario:
China gets wind that the US is struggling to pay its debts or the US delays payment on the bonds:
(phone call from Beijing to Washington)
Chinese PM: Hello Mr. President, we notice you have not made this month's bond payment.
US President: Yes Prime Minister we are having some issues due to falling tax receipts.
PM: You know what we can do if you refuse to pay.
US: We are not refusing to pay, we just need a few more days.
PM: You have until 15.00 tomorrow to pay up.
US: I can't guarantee we'll have the money tomorrow.
PM: If payment is not received we will consider it refusal to pay and take appropriate measures.
US: But, but.....
PM: You should have thought about that before borrowing to finance wars and cheap consumer goods.
US: but but.
PM: there is no negotiation.
Click as phone goes down
80% of all goods sold in the U.S. today are produced in China. The Chinese are buying up all the real estate in the U.S. including both residential and commercial. Before long they will own the U.S. without ever firing a single shot. Take a drive thru any industrial park in the U.S. and note the names of the businesses. Check who has been purchasing all of the property in the U.S.
No super power is safe too long before its nemesis develops something new to counter its hegemony. Will the world be able to live without fear of wars and warmongers? How we can send probes to all the planets in the solar system and beyond yet cannot devise a socio-economic-political system that help humans live in peace, prosperity, equality and creating the imaginary heaven of religions (isms) on earth?
if it wasn't time «to sweep the cobwebs out of that old nuclear bunker at the bottom of the garden» when we knew that the US had targetted China with 3rd generation ICBMs, why is it now time to do so when we learn (are told) that China is responding by targetting the US with the same type of device ? Has the Chinese government shown a greater dispostion to bomb other countries than the United States ? It is hardly China that represents the greatest threat to mankind's survival....
Henri
"....Has the Chinese government shown a greater dispostion to bomb other countries...." If you'd bothered to read up on the matter you might have known that the Chinese have always kept a large number of their ICBMs pointed at Russia and India, their closest enemies for decades, rather than the US. The Chinese upgrade is much more to do with the increase in Indian nuke and defence capabilities and keeping one step ahead of the Japanese rather than the US. But your "I-hate-Unka-Sam" blinkers probably stopped you realising those obvious facts.
What's all this discussion about the SR-71, and what in tarnation does that have a tinker's damn to do with MIRVs!!!
The US "Star-wars" program was already designed to intercept MIRVs, because we and the Russians already have them. The Chinese have probably been embarrassed for years because they couldn't afford them. Now that they do, I wouldn't really call it any kind of advantage at all. We and the Russians got smart a long time ago and started reducing our warhead inventory. If China want's to repeat failed history - I say let them! It is now cheaper to build the interceptors than it is to build the MIRVs. We could have millions of interceptors for the price of a squadron of MIRVs. We will bury them economically, and not even fire a shot. No one - not even the Chinese - are crazy enough to pull that trigger.
I have seen many a test footage of intercept vehicles of various types, for 20 years now. Anyone who thinks they don't work is fooling them selves. We shot a nuclear powered SUV to Mars and hit what amounts to a nat's ass in a crater. You don't think we can intercept a warhead? I don't care if they are multiple warheads, I don't even care if they are independently targeted and even using deflection tactics - we can hit them with literally shot gun blasts of individually controlled intercept vehicles fired just like a giant shotgun in space - and WAY cheaper than a MIRV!!!
DONG.... somewhere in the title.
Never let it be said that those Chinese types never had penis envy too.
I rue the day when Central Africa gets a projectile.
Wtf, will we call it then?
Let me get back to you on that.
I shall call up some of my young blond girly friends.
They seem to know more about this area than I.
(And if you think I am joking or being ironic, I can assure you, in no way, am I being as such).
It was a joke I suppose.
One of those things we used to have in the 20th Century, but not only fell out of fashion in the 21st Century, but also became illegal.
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