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Canada has been listed on a US 'priority watchlist' after concerns were raised about the measures the country has taken to combat online copyright infringement and the trade of counterfeit goods. In a report into the approach 77 "trading partners" to the US have to the protection of intellectual property rights (IPR), the …


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  1. Anonymous Coward

    Dear US

    Stop trying to impose your own biased, MPAA, RIAA lobbyist approved views on IP on other sovereign countries.


    The rest of the "free" world.

    1. g e

      Re: Dear US

      I know I keep saying it but hell, maybe if it's said enough...

      Fuck the cinema, save the money for buying it secondhand when it's out on dvd/bd and put the rest to a 43" TV for your wall & surround if you don't yet have it. Don't feed Hollywood.

      If everyone buys one thing secondhand instead of new you halve their revenue cos they had the initial sale but not the second one, but YOU still get the same media at the same quality. There's only one bunch of people funding these bastards and that's the customers. So stop it.

  2. g e

    I've had the USA on my watch list for years

    For generally being self-serving duplicitous bastards as a nation.

  3. Roger Stenning
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    "The United States remains concerned about the availability of rights of appeal in Canada’s administrative process for reviewing the regulatory approval of pharmaceutical products, as well as limitations in Canada’s trademark regime."

    So, now the USA wants to stifle legal process and rights?

    Who knew?

    Went to Canada for a holiday a while back, loved the country and the people I met there; very laid back and respectful of others. Shame the US is seeking to bugger all that up.

    1. Dave Bell

      Re: Ohboy.

      I am not sure whether that means that the Canadian rules are too strict for US corporations to wriggle around, or whether it means the Canadian system doesn't get suckered by exaggerated claims for losses.

      1. Michael Tansley

        Re: Ohboy.

        It means that the U.S. doesn't think that Canada sucks up to it enough.

        Frankly, I believe that the more my country can do to piss off the U.S., the better for everyone.

  4. night troll

    What about China?

    All of the problems they say the US has with Canada happen in spades with China will they issue sanctions against China?

    No, didn't think so. The US relies too much on China for cheap labour to produce its consumer products and mine it heavy metals needed in production of advanced electronics for it to take any action against China. China could cut off the US industry at the knees and sell it labour force to other countries, sure it would harm their foreign trade but only for a short time. The US are much too reliant on Chinese cheap labour they could not recover for a long time.

    And if China were really vindictive and dumped all the American debt they hold onto the word markets it would throw the US beck into the economic stone age.

    Usual sabre rattling by the US.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What about China?

      Also China has a very large army and atom bombs.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What about China?

      And don't forget, China owns the USA.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    The USA is on the Chinese watch list too.

    So how does that work then US? A bigger country with more money and power is 'threatening' you because your laws don't help their companies to make more money....what's that feel like huh? Are you going to give in and change your behavior or tell them to f**k off?

    Go Canada.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dear USA

    Dear USA,

    We very kindly thank you for your interest in our legal processes and standards, and of course we are always glad to receive input on improvements on such matters from such a close neighbour. We feel it right to state in this instance, however, that the US government should just shut the fuck up and keeps its unwanted and corrupt MPAA/RIAA-bought nose out of our fucking business.

    Yours, as ever etc.. Canada

    PS. Remember 1812

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      1812 and all that

      Coincidentally, this comes almost 200 years to the day when the US of A decided that they had had enough of a foreign power dictating trade rules (in part at least) with France. "How dare somebody else tell us what we can and cannot do - we are INDEPENDENT". Not surprisingly the Americans didn't like it one bit a decided to go to war with "the british colonies" AKA Canada, over it.

      Now that USA sees themselves as an 'empire' I guess the boot it on the other foot.

      Oh the irony.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Canada Failing To.......

    Kiss America's ass.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Here we go - again

    Oh Canada, bend down and open wide !

    Here we come.

  9. andreas koch

    How can it be

    that cases of copyright infringement, which is between two personal or corporate identities, can lead to 'sanctions' between states? If my neighbours Ferrari is parked in front of my garage, can Britain go to war with Italy?

    The solution to the American problem is easy: cut all internet connections to and from the outside of the US. And the phones. Stop all flights and shippings in or out. Stops all their trouble with terrorists, pirates, chinamen, illegal immigrants and all the money going abroad.

    And it saves us reading this bullsh*t.

  10. Oliver 7

    GATT, TPP, ACTA and all that

    The US relentlessly and ruthlessly pursues its commercial and foreign policy objectives and it doesn't give a shit about the collateral damage or anybody else's interests, their hypocrisy is without equal. The watchlist mentioned in the article derives from the Advisory Committee on Trade Negotiations (ACTN), which sparked into life in the early 80s, mainly in response to America's decline as a competitive manufacturing nation (and the rise of Toyota, it's always the cars that get to them!). By renegotiating international trade treaties and threatening 'trading partners' with 'sanctions', the US uses its economic might and foreign policy objectives to redefine the value of it's own IP on it's own terms thus applying a patina of legitimisation to its activities, whilst arriving at lopsided outcomes. It's a virtual rerun of the actual gunboat diplomacy it used to use, e.g. against Japan where in 1853 the US Navy 'Black ships' steamed into Uraga harbour and demanded Japan open up to trade. Well hell, they're trying to run an empire here!

    Gimp because we've been taking it in the ass from Uncle Sam since Suez.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What about the people's rights

    In all this screaming about IP rights, the people's rights seem to be totally forgotten.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    General Elections

    Does anybody remember actually see "USA" as one of the election candidates?

    Perhaps they should be more open on the ballot sheet next time:

    Who do you want to govern, options:

    1. USA (owned by media companies)

    2. All of the above

    Who do you want to pay lip service to the above:

    1. Tory

    2. Labour

    3. Lib

    4. Does it really matter?

    Perhaps, as we in the free world are now affected by US laws we should all be allowed to vote in US elections too (at least the UK has a vote in Europe)...

  13. Tony Paulazzo

    Reading this made me wish Yellowstone park would belch open the fires of hell and rain fiery death upon the biggest bully in the world, the US of A.

    Seriously, what the fuck happened to that country where, as a kid, I would longingly wish I'd be born there.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You still can live there...for free

      Just break one of their 'empire' laws anywhere in the world, and they will gladly ship you out and provide accommodation gratis.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yellowstone belching

      Don't want Yellowstone to belch as it would destroy Wyoming first, and the Wyomingians are the only sensible people in the country (even if they did let Dick Cheney move there, but nobody's perfect).

      A better wish would be for some sort of cheese based weapon like the one the Nazis developed in "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid" to be used on Washington DC and Hollywood.

  14. Christoph Silver badge

    What happens to border crossing?

    If they put massive restrictions on the border with Canada then what happens to the people wanting to flee north over the border for a better life, away from the crumbling economy of their own country?

    1. Darryl

      Re: What happens to border crossing?

      That and the 2.3 million barrels of oil per day heading south.

    2. Euripides Pants Silver badge

      Re: What happens to border crossing?

      We're fscked

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The USA made it's own mess...

    Firstly: Outsource your industry to foreign lands with cheaper labour

    Secondly: Ensure your products are too expensively priced to purchase in said foreign lands

    Thirdly: Cry foul, weep and wonder why the impoverished locals in these foreign lands counterfeit your goods, selling first to themselves, then to tourists, then to the world via the internet. All the while devaluing your initial product and making less profit than you would have done if you'd not been so profit oriented in the first place to screw over your own country, it's manufacturing industry and it's workforce, who coincidentally can no longer afford to pay your inflated prices due to having no jobs.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So what?

    Yanks are pushy arrogant nosey assholes - Canadian Report

  17. John70

    Damn it...

    All I can hear now is the South Park song "Blame Canada"...

    1. Graham Marsden
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      Re: Damn it...

      You beat me to it!

  18. Peladon

    One wonders if...

    ... the Propellerheads should sue for copyright infringement.

    February 2012:

    "In 2010, the World Economic Forum found that global executives actually rank Canadian intellectual property protection ahead of the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, and most of Europe. The WEF's Global Competitiveness Report ranked Canada 13th for IP protection, including anti-counterfeiting measures. That is ahead of Australia (14th), Norway (16th), United Kingdom (17th), Japan (21st), and the United States (24th)."

    "The cables, from the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa, even have a policy director for then industry minister Tony Clement suggesting it might help U.S. demands for a tough copyright law if Canada were placed among the worst offenders on an international piracy watch list. Days later, the U.S. placed Canada alongside China and Russia on the list. "

  19. Is it me?

    Never mind

    Canada has much better human rights protection.

    The US is only jealous that they aren't as nice and well balanced as the Canadians so they always like an excuse to criticise on trivia.

  20. Shane Kent

    Oh No! We're on a list...

    Oh wait, it is a US Gov. list, influenced by US Corps.

    Lol, we don't care, Canadians truly don't care!

    Now don't get me wrong, we care about our neighours to the south, just not their Gov. and Corps.

    What, are they going to take Google and Facebook from us, lol, go ahead please do.

  21. AJames

    Deja vu all over again

    This is a perennial story which makes the rounds every time the U.S. government is trying to pressure the Canadian government to adopt the secret ACTA treaty provisions. But it goes all the way back to the late 1800s, when the story of the time was that Canadians were illegally copying U.S. sheet music. We've just had to learn to tune out our neighbours to the south when they show this particular blind spot, complaining about everyone else while being oblivious to their own transgressions.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    Time to appease the US by giving them anything they want again. Luckily two out of two US presidents polled agree that Stephen Harper gives the best rim jobs. Good ol' Steve, working so hard to please his masters. At least he gets to wipe his mouth off with the Canadian flag when he's finished.

  23. Wintermute

    Yet Another Round of American Stupidity

    The Americans seem unable to understand that Canada is not part of their country. Someone must have not gotten the memo that the War of 1812 ended with the British colonies north of the USA intact.

    Canadian copyright and fair use laws are different from those in the U.S. They are not worse. In fact, in many cases they are more restrictive.

    It seems that every time the Americans want to force a new round of stupidity on Canada, they begin by issuing one of these sham reports claiming that Canada is some rogue country with no regard for intellectual property or copyright law. It's up to Canadians to decide if they will listen to this stupidity or not.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Canada needs to do it's part

    Copyright laws are enforced by all civilized countries and Canada needs to do a better job than it has been doing. There is no point in blaming anyone but the pirates for piracy. Perhaps making piracy a felony with mandatory jail time will educate those who are worth saving. The rest will end up in prison as low lifes unable to live within the laws of society.

  25. Get the puck outa here

    Part of a pattern

    It's a standard political/economic pressure tactic to remind Canada who is boss. The evidence is not there but many Americans believe that pirated movies all come from Canada. They also still believe that the terrorists responsible for the Sept 11, 2001 attacks crossed the border between Vermont and Ontario, as mentioned on West Wing (Google Map that one!), rather than commuting between Florida and Saudi Arabia for months. A major power failure in 2003 started in Ohio, but was initially blamed on an Ontario power plant. And so it goes.

    Sadly, the present regime in Canada is very open to this influence. They are implementing copyright laws influenced by RIAA and MPAA lobby groups. They are giving personal information to the TSA and banning Canadians from domestic flights based on US "no fly" lists, as if they have to seek permission from American authorities before Canadian citizens fly from Toronto to Vancouver.

    Note the changes recently introduced to the national anthem:


    Whatever you say goes

    Please, when you sit

    Watch out for Harper's nose."

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Part of a pattern

      I think most folks are more realistic than you portray them to be. All copyright laws should be enforced. Piracy is a big problem that will require a lot of effort to slow. The first change needs to be serious punishment instead of a slap on the wrist. $10K per copy would be a good start. If you can't pay your fine then it's jail time plus seizure of all tangible assets.

      If you're on a U.S. no fly list then you probably have more issues to deal with than piracy.

  26. mhenriday

    Fifty-four forty or fight, redux ?

    The USG is a tad irritated that it doesn't effectively run the whole globe or even the whole Western Hemisphere (despite, as pointed out by several commentators above, Stephen Joseph Harper's doing everything in his poor power to please his imperial masters). On the other hand, it should be remembered that the distorted view of so-called «intellectual property» (the current version of the enclosure of the commons during the reign of Elizabeth Tudor, in which property held in common by ordinary people was appropriated by the ruling classes) promoted by those who run the US government is a core interest and one on which they hardly intend to compromise, unless they meet a resistance economically, politically - and not least, militarily powerful enough to dissuade them from an invasion....


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