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The organisation that manages the UK's digital terrestrial TV platform has revealed how it hopes to rejig the Freeview EPG Logical Channel Number (LCN) list to create space for more channels. And, for the first time, to incorporate IPTV services. DMOL (DTT Multiplex Operators Ltd) wants to make the EPG listing more easy to …


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  1. King Jack

    It wouldn't matter..

    to anyone if TV manufactures allowed the old fashioned practice of letting the user choose what order the channels are displayed. Maybe some commenter here can point me to TV that allows this. And I don't mean a favorites list.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It wouldn't matter..

      "the old fashioned practice of letting the user choose what order the channels are displayed"

      You'll probably find there's some agreement somewhere that says that's not permitted. Otherwise how many people would ever see the shopping channels, let alone actually watch them or buy anything?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It wouldn't matter..

      My oldish LCD Panasonic TV allows removing channels from the EPG. The channel is still viewable if you type in the channel number, but it is skipped when stepping up and down the channels.

      It also allows 4 favorite lists that can contain any selection of the remaining channels in any order. Once the favorite list is selected, it stays selected between turning the TV off and on.

      Even better the EPG can be displayed vertically for a single channel, rather than as a grid for all channels. Much easier to see what's on and program names are not truncated.

      There are no ads or even a space for them in the EPG, the TV must pre-date that abomination.

      Works great - I have about 16 decent channels left to view and never see any of the others - although even then there is often nothing worth watching.

    3. MrXavia

      Re: It wouldn't matter..

      My Sony Freeview TV does... My New Samsung does.... just because they have defaults, it doesn't mean you cant change them! from what I know its just sky who limit them... (maybe freesat? never tried to change them)

    4. Natalie Gritpants Silver badge
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      Re: It wouldn't matter..

      My Sony Bravia lets me swap channels around so I now have BBC One HD at channel 1 etc

      1. Natalie Gritpants Silver badge

        Re: It wouldn't matter..

        An not forgetting MythTV that has a web interface so you can type in the numbers. And if you're really hard you can edit the MySQL database by hand (with a chisel).

    5. Christian Berger

      Not entirely practicable, unfortunately

      In Germany there is no channel numbering scheme, so everyone numbers the channels themselves. It's fairly hard to sort 100+ channels over a bad rubbery remote.

      The only useful implementation I've seen was on VDR, which uses plain text files to manage its channels.


      Re: It wouldn't matter..

      The Sony Bravia I have allows me to delete and re-order Freeview channels as I please. The guide also reflects the change in ordering.

  2. Irongut Silver badge

    What they really need to do is put all the BBC channels together, ITV channels together, C4 channels together, 5 channels together and so on. A +1 channel should be the channel after its on time version. The current 'design' where the channels are distributed at random throughout the guide makes no logical sense at all.

  3. MontyMole

    It's a shame they are not moving the shopping channels to a separate range.

  4. GettinSadda

    HD Channels

    HD channels will gain their own grouping: channels 101 to 109

    So we will never have more than 9 HD channels?

    1. /dev/null

      Re: HD Channels

      I think Freeview's current plans are for 5 HD channels on one mux only. In theory, that would imply that if all 6 muxes were converted to DVB-T2 then we could have up to 30 HD channels, but that's a long way off. I'm sure there will be more EPG reshuffles before then...

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @ Montymole

    Hear Hear, if the could I'd like the chance to "block at the firewall" any shopping channels, Jeremy Kyle and similar stuff that is turning my wife's brain into mush

  6. Ged T

    What about the non-Freeview channels?

    Hopefully, this means that the pay-to-view (remind me again why they called the platform FreeView, someone, please...) will also go into their own group? UK(g)OLD, for example, is still broadcast on this supposed FTA platform, along with SKYSport1, SKYSport2 and the (yet to 'broadcast') CONNECT group of channels...

  7. Velv

    Why can't they get together with Sky and Virgin and agree a common framework. Then you could put all the major channels on the same number on each platform.

    It would save a lot of confusion.

  8. Natalie Gritpants Silver badge


    Now I can ignore any channel that isn't three digits starting with 1.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why is this in HardwareRegister and not

    in ChannelRegister?

    OK, OK, I won't give up my day job. Coat please.

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