NASA snaps show Arctic melt NASA’s latest study into Arctic sea ice concludes that the oldest, thickest ice is disappearing faster than the thinner ice at the edges of the Arctic Ocean. The Goddard Space Flight Center researchers say the multi-year ice is disappearing in a way that will make Arctic sea ice even more vulnerable to summer declines. The …
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What the sacks of shiite are ommitting to tell you is that the earth is at is "coldest ever point" in 300 million years right here right now! It has been a *lot* warmer in the past and at the end of a cooling cycle it has no where else for temperatures to go but up. As the founder of greenpeace who quit the organisation (another fact greenietards forget to mention) the whole greenietard movemet have been taken over by politico's and businesses who can make a huge profit out of continuing to purvey this myth.
Thats right, the earth has normally had no ice at its poles. Get over your greenie bent and find some other worthy cause to satiate your white middle class need to belong to something, anything, lust you are sick with.
However,
As it warms we will see cold first. Every single climate model I have seen predicts that a warming on average in the northern hemisphere will throw the winter temperature in Europe down by up to 12 degrees. A lot of them forgot to account for the side effects from having large open spaces in the Arctic - "lake effect" on a continental scale. They are hastily adding that one now..
So in the grand scheme of things Earth may warm up. In our lifetimes however we will see snow, snow and snow. Freeze too. It is not going to be pretty.
I drove across all of Europe from the UK to the Balkans at the height of the February "Hell Freezing Over" and I was really grateful that I had a good set of winter tyres and winter oil in the sump.
For all practical purposes we got away easy in the UK this winter. If this trend continues next winter is not likely to be so forgiving. Less than 2% of cars have winter tyres, nobody puts in a winter oil change and under 0.1% (if not less) have engine block or sump heaters. So if we get the same stuff EU got this winter next year the pandemonium will be complete.
It may be global warming - prepare for freeze :)
>>"Of that 300 million years, how long did the planet support human life?"
>"Over the last 300 millions years the earth supported a huge variety of life."
You fail basic reading comprehension. Well, it's either that or you deliberately introduced an irrelevant point as part of a bogus rhetorical trick, but I'd rather assume an innocent mistake on your part than deliberate intellectual dishonesty. I'm just nice like that.
If the earth is at its coldest point in 300 million years, how do you explain this graph:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png
which clearly shows a much colder temperature average from 11,000 to 12,000 years ago?
Read up on the current Ice Age, which we are in, and you'll find that its coldest average temperatures were approximately 20,000 years ago. Yes, we're still in the dip, but we're on the path up.
All of that is irrelevant to the real concern about global warming. It's not about making the planet too hot. It's about the planet becoming too hot _for_us_to_live_on_.
That's a pretty ignorant post.
It doesn't really even matter what Earth was like in the past before there was a world-wide dominant human culture. Dinosaurs et al might have been fine with whatever, but that's like comparing apples and oranges. We know that shagging up the environment -whoever's fault it is, and whyever it is- will be a massive, massive problem for humanity as it stands at the moment.
And you can keep the racism, too. Because white middle class people are going to be a lot less screwed than poor African people about climate change.
Perhaps they are first to comment because our entire economy and tax system is being hijacked by the green agenda, and IF the basis for the huge tax rises is not true (and I said IF) then it is all a huge financial con to make the rich richer at the expense of the poor.
Maybe that is why.
> Perhaps they are first to comment because our entire economy and tax system
> is being hijacked by the green agenda
Well, I wouldn't say *entire* - plenty of hijacking going on in the guise of bank bail-outs too. But yes, there's always room for more excuses to pauperise us plebs. Regardless of whether the justification is fact or fiction, they always find creative ways to make money from it.
But that's money-making. It'd be a pleasant change if the rest of us just cut 'em adrift and started concentrating on the things that really matter. Why get sidetracked by how the ba*ds screw you over for pieces of paper (or numbers on a disk drive in a bank)?
>"IF the basis for the huge tax rises is not true (and I said IF) then it is all a huge financial con to make the rich richer at the expense of the poor."
Well, or it's a genuine mistake made by people making the best decisions they can in the light of limited knowledge available at the time. It speaks volumes about your mentality that the non-paranoid option didn't even occur to you. You have a default assumption of malice that is so strong it prevents you seeing any other (non-conspiracy-mongering) possibility.
>>"IF the basis for the huge tax rises is not true (and I said IF) >then it is all a huge financial con to make the rich richer at >the expense of the poor."
>Well, or it's a genuine mistake made by people making the best >decisions they can in the light of limited knowledge available at the >time. It speaks volumes about your mentality that the non-paranoid option >didn't even occur to you. You have a default assumption of malice >that is so strong it prevents you seeing any other (non-conspiracy-mongering) possibility.
It speaks volumes about your mentality if you believe that in the current economic climate the government will not exploit any situation to be able to raise more tax under a guise that is hard to argue with. What hard heart would refuse to pay more tax if they thought it would "save the planet"? If however the planet does not need saving, and some believe that as vehemently as you believe it does, then it is indeed a con. Not malicious, but a con nevertheless. The rich get richer because they can avoid tax, the poor meanwhile get poorer because they don't have accountants to help them avoid the new taxes. If it wasn't green taxes they would be forced to tax something else and perhaps be more honest about the reasons for the tax.
Erm... the planet doesn't need saving. Give it a few million years after humanity is wiped out and it'll be fine again. It's *us*. WE are the ones who are going to get screwed by any severe upset.
As another poster stated: It'd be great if it was untrue. I'd love to not have to worry about it. Unfortunately that is demonstrably not the case. And even if it is 'normal' for Earth's environment to go whacky every few tens of thousands of years, then that's still not ok for us as a society.
And it's a gamble to deny the potential problem. Even if you don't believe, let's say that there is a 10% chance that you are wrong. That gives a 90% chance of it being fine to carry on consuming, and a 10% chance of modern society being screwed in a hundred years. So that's nothing much to win, and everything to loose: Russian roulette with no prize. That's a bad bet to take.
Furthermore, would it not be a good thing to just get away from our oil dependency? Let's appeal to the right wing, here: Get rid of oil dependency and replace it with renewables or nuclear power, and we no need to rely on those pesky little nations sat on the oil who hold you to ransom. The US/whoever would be energy self-sufficient and wouldn't need to send money elsewhere, to the benefit of it's own population. Take that a step further to CHEAP nuclear energy and you have improved standards of living for those in countries that can afford it, giving a further edge to the Western nations.
If the government is so desperate for tax, there are better way to get it than an agenda that preaches austerity and which is unpopular. Just whip up another red-scare, or a few wars. Grab some more assets of some kind. Make China the enemy and raise import taxes in patriotic rage. Look to history and the manner in which taxes were raised by broke governments and you'll see plenty of better ways of doing it.
Claiming that it's all a con to get money is a very ill-thought theory politically. Industry as a whole is opposed to green policies, and industry has enormous political sway and can throw a lot of money at lobbying and party support. If I wanted to be a successful politician, it would be far easier to succeed as anti-green, and ensure that the money of the corporations was behind me.
Climate deniers don't realise that we wish they were right. The planet would not be in danger, humans won't take millions of other species down with them, and we're not rushing headlong towards extinction while whistling dixie and saying "It all might be ok!".
We got to be so successful by recognising threats and managing them. It seems the one danger we can't beat is the enemy within.
... slight remote sensing fail. The data certainly didn't all come from Nimbus 7 because it was launched in 1978 and switched off in 1994 (and the SMMR instrument may well have failed before that date). As with any 32-year satellite dataset, this one would have been made by merging data from several missions which overlap in time.
So, you haven't noticed all the plant growing seasons starting earlier, the insects hanging around into the middle of the winter, the development of long late indian summers stretching well into november and other similar massive changes that have taken place since the '80s? All that shows is that you're not paying attention.
"So, you haven't noticed all the plant growing seasons starting earlier, ..."
Wow, I didn't realise that climate change was happening so fast. I thought it was only weather that changed so quickly.
Us skeptics aren't denying that the climate is changing. What we're not so convinced about is if it due to man made CO2. Or even if the CO2 is causing the temperature changes or is a result of the temperature changes. Or even if the Sun is somehow involved. And all the climate models have not been proved to be stupdenously accurate up to now either. All combined with the tactics that the AGW groups use such as Gleick's recent affair then we remain to be convinced that it is not a huge global scam.
A 20 year trend is fine for observing climate over.
Spring is indeed coming sooner. There are regularly and increasingly regularly sightings of fish on British shores which would have normally not been able to tolerate the cold here.
Oh and don't be under any illusions: There are many "skeptics" who say that there isn't any change in climate/temperature. Nigel Lawson is one who does it publicly, there are also regularly people on Reg forums trotting out the 1998 temperature being the same as now factoid as proof of climate conspiracy.
"So, you haven't noticed all the plant growing seasons starting earlier, the insects hanging around into the middle of the winter, the development of long late indian summers stretching well into november and other similar massive changes that have taken place since the '80s?"
That's weather, not climate.
Wow really? You must live in a pretty nice place then. Or maybe it was awful back in 1980 too? Where I live the pollution is noticeably worse, visibility has gone down, the water now tastes kind of metallic / weird and hot-(40's)-but-humid days during summer are becoming the norm from the equally-hot-(40's)-but-at-least-dry days of 20-30 years ago. Boy, I really hate the hot+humid days...
Be interested to see what anecdotes others have about the area they live in.
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