Mobile FireFox is certainly planning to support Flash as long as your device does...
Android's Chrome finish comes too late for Flash coating
Google may have got its Chrome browser running on Android, but Adobe is standing by its decision not to port Flash to any new mobile browsers, not even Chrome. Flash content works fine in Android's embedded browser, and Adobe has previously said that it will be porting Flash to Android 4 (aka Ice Cream Sandwich), but that port …
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Thursday 9th February 2012 12:46 GMT Ilgaz
Better
They should support the majority of android devices, the ones with less RAM and they should support non broadband connections.
Opera, a commercial browser with business interest did the above for profit and succeeded. An open source browser became something as the most elitist one among others. Even Ms will add compression to their next internet explorer since they figured 3g on entire planet won't happen.
On the other hand, Mozilla seriously discuss dropping support for xp etc and they don't support any android which isn't high end. What really happened to them?
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 13:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
FUD
As clearly flash runs fine on ICS already, so any changes to make it work on Android Chrome browser will be minor API hook and plugin wrapper tweaking by Google.
Expect a beta of Chrome that supports the existing flash plugin API, or a recompiled (or included) Flash plugin compiled by Google very soon.
Still nice try at FUD, it's not bad, I would rate in 4/10.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 17:28 GMT Malcolm 1
Even that link shows that HTML5 is incomplete standard. Of the 30 technologies mentioned, only two and a bit warrant "W3C recommendation", seven and a bit are candidate recommendations, and the majority of the remaining 20 or so are still working drafts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HTML5-APIs-and-related-technologies-by-Sergey-Mavrody.png
Some of the technologies are in use, but suggesting that HTML5 as a whole is any more than marketing hype at the moment is just a fallacy.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 14:11 GMT JDX
re: why is FLASH even still on teh interwebz?
If you read the article you'd have one reason - DRM and other content protection/licensing.
The other thing to remember is that streaming video is only one use of Flash... and in fact is only a tiny part of what Flash does. For instance Flash is the ONLY cross-browser way to do accelerated 3D rendering.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 15:21 GMT ThomH
But I take it what they mean by "[it] supports Flash player for iPad and the browsing of Flash websites by streaming these sites from servers in the cloud" is that there's an Amazon-style proxy network doing the grunt work? It would be understandable if Adobe had simply decided not to go down that route.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 15:47 GMT mark jacobs
HTML5?
Believe you me, HTML5 has a very long way to go. At least Flash can buffer a video properly. Judging by Vimeo's site, HTML5 has yet to achieve that. I patiently buffered a 10 minute HD video with HTML5 to find that I could not jump around the same way I could with the Flash equivalent. As far as vieo quality was concerned, they were the same - HD. To write off Flash now is premature and immature!
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Thursday 9th February 2012 02:22 GMT Ilgaz
At least you have seen one
Wondering around with opera mobile which has video support and google android browser, I haven't seen any page using the so called html5 video.
As a person from TV industry I know couple of producers who would be outraged when they hear freely ripped videos (as in easily) and people skipping ads.
Things were going slightly fine until this h264 fight happened and google came up with their format.
Remember everyone hated animated gif and somehow animated png didn't get enough support? What happened as result? Gif lived on, ads lived on.
Industry doesn't want non technical user to skip ads, millions of dollars at stake, they are already paying insane amounts for bandwidth. So, what happens when hippies reject? They keep flash alive.
Google etc should really learn the media industry before proposing executives to trash billions of dollars in investment to standards like h264/mpeg. In industry, everything (including Sony devices) are tied to some industry (not single entity) standard.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 16:53 GMT Anonymous Coward
Excuse me, I'm lost
"Adobe [...] would prefer to see the world moving to more open standards for playback."
Excuse me, evidently my last teraport went horribly wrong and I've ended up in the wrong universe - Adobe in my universe created the non-standard, not-open playback plugin.
Would you happen to know the local fine structure constant, and can you tell me if you've seen black holes matching these descriptions, and what the displacement vectors are to them?
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 18:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Adobe just realised they can slip in their tech into the HTML5 standard without too much problem (CSS shaders comes to mind).
They also figured this way they can convince people to upgrade to a newer - and very expensive -
HTML5-supporting Adobe development suite.
Bet they're still kicking themselves for not realising this sooner.
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Thursday 9th February 2012 08:46 GMT Anonymous Coward
AC @ 18:47 Hit Nail on Head
I've worked for 3 fortune 500 companies over the past ten years and the only reason they bothered with upgrading their CS licenses was for the Flash IDE (mostly for training delivery/development). Most reg commentators just don't get it. Adobe couldn't care less about video delivery over the player. They don't make any money off of it. It's the IDE they make money off of. And the trouble Adobe is facing is that (like photoshop and illustrator 6 years back, and much like Word and Powerpoint 10 years back) is that Flash is nearing maturity at this point. Flash isn't dying, Adobe will continue to support it as a niche product; but heck yeah, Adobe is more than eager to jump on the 'Canvas' bandwagon, that way they can sell tons of more pointless CS updates featuring the latest 'Canvas' development IDE, "Muse" or whatever they decide to call it in the end. All of this Flash bashing by the "open source" idiots is so misguided it's ridiculous. But there's no reasoning with the herd, so I hope you all enjoy your infinitely slower, buggier, and security-hole ridden canvas enabled browsers for the next few years folks, because we all know how much more open and smooth things are going to go with MS and Google pointing fingers at each other regarding responsibility for rich media delivery.
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Wednesday 8th February 2012 19:09 GMT Anonymous Coward
Flash is slowly dying...
Flash on mobile?
It's either video, or browser based flash games that probably don't work too well on small touch screen devices.
Flash is on it's way out - it's a slow death, but inevitable.
For some time, it will still be the platform for very rich media online, but slowly but surely it will become possible to do anything in HTML5 / Javascript that could be done in Flash.
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Thursday 9th February 2012 00:42 GMT P. Lee
Mobile = tablet?
Does anyone watch video on a phone-size screen? Yuck! You may as well give the content away for free at that resolution - just include the odd advert. It isn't worth finding pirate versions for a rubbish product. I'd rather see flash killed at source (server) rather than the client though.
What useful DRM is flash providing? I record everything to mythtv, but use catchup-tv as a backup as sometimes I get delete-happy. The adverts are so short its hardly worth skipping (I'd get the timing wrong) on catchup-tv so I'm happy to not skip them. If I were going to pirate, I wouldn't be pirating the catchup-tv stream, I'd be looking for someone who has taken a feed from the telly or DVD.
Finding free stuff on the net is so easy there's little point trying to DRM if DVD/BD's are available or it has already been broadcast.