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US researchers have concluded that there's little evidence to support the existence of the legendary Gräfenberg Spot - a bundle of nerves located in the front wall of the vagina which can supposedly cause the earth to move. The team - led by urologist Dr Amichai Kilchevsky of Yale-New Haven Hospital - trawled "clinical trials …


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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you are looking for the on button...

    You don't know how to make love!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        No rule to make target `love'

        Ah, a recent graduate.

        Real Unix gives:

        % make love

        Not war?


    2. rrevolverr
      IT Angle

      Mr. Straightfinger?

      I'm maybe not too familiar with English... do they tell us they have spent damn sixty years for a female masturbation?

      Wow. A Real Sci-Punk. But the secret was in finding a proper angle (-:

    3. Allison Park


      why didn't they study people who know an enjoy their g-spot? That makes more sense than picking random people that have no clue/

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Allison needs to do some basic statistical courses and learn the meaning of the words "selection bias" and "statistical significance".

    4. miknik

      All that time and effort for an inconclusive result

      bet they felt a right bunch of cunts

  2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

    Amused by: "The King's College study shows a lack of respect for what women say."

    Sure, coz the existence of an anatomical structure is best determined by what someone says, particularly the one person on the planet who is physically incapable of looking. (Or can French women do that? I think we should be told.)

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
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      Ignoring the evidence, or lack thereof, is much more egregious than merely ignoring someone who claims something exists simply because they believe it to.

      The quoted statement misses the point entirely.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Kings College....

        The College where Quackery is King.

        Where Physical ailments are re-branded as psycho logical sicknesses.

        You would think these guys are Scientologists with the way they corrupt real world medical evidence, Maybe they are...

        one day they will get the medical record bent so far out of shape that you get admitted to hospital with a broken leg and get sanctioned to the nearest looney bin with some silly made up name psycho-limb mumbojumbo breakdown.

        (the Quacks from KC are already doing this with MS/ME/CFS (and now EHS/Microwave sickness))

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @AC 18:54

          Is that the same EHS for which it has been shown in studies that the emissions were no worse than nocebo?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        read "she comes first"

        This book describes in detail female anatomy, ah hem down there.

        It speculates that the G spot is the base of the clitoris (which is actually a larger organ than the button type bit), mostly hidden under the flesh of the first lip. See wiki diagram

    2. bonkers

      I think you have got your own name wrong.

      What an outrageous statement - if we can't see it, you can't feel it ??

      I think people know their own names, like they know their own bodies. They do not need visual proof of a known thing. I don't care if it uses the same density of nerves, or if it puts more power down them, or if there are strong tissue differences or none. It is a sensory thing, and as such exists merely if noticed.

      For what its worth, there is a noticeable physical structure, but that may not be universal.

      1. bonkers
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        would any of you care to explain what is wrong with my post above?

        Surely we are talking of the existence of an erogenous zone here, which need not necessarily have a distinct physical form. I see the denial of its existence as akin to saying there is no physical evidence for you having your own name, whatever your insistence.

        1. scarshapedstar


          "Surely we are talking of the existence of an erogenous zone here, which need not necessarily have a distinct physical form."

          So what the hell is it? A ghost?

        2. exanime

          your wording is weird

          the way you open your statement basically says "just because I cannot prove in anyway that I saw that alien taking my cousin it doesn't mean the alien was not real"...

          the g-spot is supposed to be a physical area where a bunch of nerves congregate and is that gathering of nerve terminations that makes it move the earth... if it turns out to be a huge placebo for women so be it but it is definitely NOT what the g-spot (as originally described at least)

          ... I for one do not care what these people say... I will continue my field research looking for it!!!! LOL

          1. bonkers

            Is it a ghost?

            - No it is not a ghost, but a thing that is human sensory thing, a perception. Consider it like "ticklishness", or have we determined that that doesn't exist either?

            My point is that as a phenomenon, as an erogenous zone, it exists, even if not necessarily in all women.

            The physical form similarly, just "some" evidence is all that is needed - even if it is rare, it exists. Anyway, there seems to be quite a lot of physiological variability in this sort of thing, try wikipedia on the subject.

            1. bonkers

              Esprit d'escalier (the wit of the staircase)

              "evidence of presence is disproof of absence"

  3. Velv

    I bet all the researchers were men - none bothered tp read a manual, and they certainly wouldn't stop and ask directions.

    (full disclosure - I'm male, and I'm mocking my fellow males)

    So while researchers may claim it is purely imaginary, the results are are unambiguously positive when you do find it. Except when they're religous!!!

    1. mike2R

      There's a manual!?

      For God's sake, someone drop me a link!

      1. Greg J Preece

        I don't know what the manual is, but the Karma Sutra might be considered an advanced supplement.

        1. defiler



      2. Pseu Donyme

      3. bonkers
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        sure thing Mike...

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        read "she comes first"

        nearest thing to a manual for that sort of thing

    2. Toastan Buttar

      What's the best way to bring a woman to orgasm?

      Who cares?

  4. frank ly

    Is it any surprise .............

    ...... that a team led by a man failed to find the G-spot?

    On my way........

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Is it any surprise

      Not when you consider the research was lead by the inahbitants of a country which was discovered by someone of indeterminable origin who got lost looking for somewhere else. If their forefathers couldn't find Asia what chance have they got with a G-spot.

    2. Anonymous Coward


      But it wasn't for lack of trying!

      I bet it was the most exhausting research ever, going on night after night and most likely during the mornings as well.

  5. Josco
    IT Angle


    But where's the IT angle? I can't find it for the life of me.

    1. Jedit Silver badge

      There's no difference between sex and tech support

      Have you tried turning your woman off, then turning her on again?

      1. Bumpy Cat

        Turning off then on again

        I tried that, but after the third toggle she hit me ...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Not without danger

          There's always a danger of bricking her. Once off off - off for ever. Or at least a long time while you try to find the original firmware to reload.

        2. Field Marshal Von Krakenfart

          Toggle Switch...

          fnarrrr fnarrrr!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Where the Customer ALWAYS! Cums First...

        If She Doesn't!!! then you better check the User Manual,

        Cos if you don't get it right (the first time) your ass is Fired...

        As theres no calling a colleague to help out option

        (unless she says so, and if you do, you may not be called back!)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Could it be the G-spot is actually a logic switch? Not one point but several that, when stimulated correctly result in the toggling of this switch?

      We know that the human body uses such switches to pinpoint sensations, and is why we can experience phantom sensations/pains/pleasure. So could that be why this spot is so elusive?

      Hmm... this could require some serious investigation...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward


        they just had javascript disabled

    3. jake Silver badge


      Are you new here?

      TOA was clearly posted under the "Biology" banner ...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I think the clue is in 'I can't find it'.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      you work in IT

      and aren't interested in sex?

  6. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

    Yeat another metastudy

    So, they amused themselves reading other intrepid researchers' adventure stories? Wankers.

    How about rolling up the sleeves, undoing the belts and doing some real research instead?

  7. phuzz Silver badge
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    For something that doesn't exist, it sure works well :)

    1. Kool-Aid drinker
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      +1 for that ^

  8. JimmyPage Silver badge


    "dozens of trials that have attempted to confirm the existence of a G-spot using surveys, pathologic specimens, various imaging modalities, and biochemical markers."

    Maybe, just maybe, they weren't going about this the right way?

    1. fixit_f

      ^^ Maybe they weren't holding it right?

  9. Christoph

    That's even better

    If it existed but was very hard to find, then it would be easy for women to blame men for not finding it.

    But if it doesn't exist at all, then it's *always^ all the man's fault for not finding it!

  10. Anonymous Coward
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    1. Havin_it

      The real learning we can derive from this study is that a night with twins means double the work as well as double the pleasure :(

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      On the subject of twins...

      What would happen with those twins with two heads and one body? Do both heads detect the same sensations?

  11. Jolyon Ralph
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    Obligatory XKCD reference

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon


      Service for those of you with cut'n'paste fatigue..



      1. Anonymous Coward
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        How did you do that?

        [the linky, I mean]

        1. Sir Runcible Spoon


          The first rul.......arrrgghhh...

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Furthermore, radiographic studies have been unable to demonstrate a unique entity, other than the clitoris, whose direct stimulation leads to vaginal orgasm"

    So that fact that I can make my girlfriend orgasm without touching her clitoris means she's faking it ? In which case, she's a bloody good actress.

    Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
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      You've got it backwards

      The statement is "...whose direct stimulation leads to vaginal orgasm" not "...whose direct stimulation exclusively leads to vaginal orgasm". These are different statements. Also, not all orgasms are vaginal.

  13. Tony S

    Note that they ...

    ...trawled "clinical trials, meeting abstracts, case reports, and review articles"

    So no actual field research then, purely an academic literary review.


    I would have been prepared to volunteer to help them out with an empirical study.

    1. Uplink

      Was wondering that myself: how do you expect to find the G-spot in a bunch a paper? Unless your secretary sits on top of them, this scientific method doesn't seem to be that accurate.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Perhaps if you treated the lady's pleasuredome with more care instead of some sort of biological box of tricks to be tinkered with, you might have more luck you daft gits!

    To quote John Cleese in the Meaning of Life, "Give her a kiss boy! You don't have to go charging headlong for the clitoris! Start her off with a simple kiss first!"

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you want the manual

    On 30+ women (count not age) I've always found the spot to be on the upper side (assuming they are laying down) about 3/4 of a finger length it, around the roughening of the wall.

    1. ravenviz Silver badge

      Calling Doctor Winston!

      Thanks for that!

    2. PatientOne

      Okay, I'll bite: How many failures did you have?

      And how do you know they all had an orgasm?

      How does a woman know she's had an orgasm? This isn't a boast, but a former girlfriend claimed she'd had them before, then was was rather surprised when she had the real thing (well, that's how she put it, anyhow).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        First of all, it's the only thing you cannot bite :-). I think your former GF noticed it felt different, which is not unusual. A vaginal orgasm and a G-spot stimulated one reportedly feel different.

        Now, I naturally always state that there is a degree of uncertainty and that I thus need to reconfirm the data. In general, test subjects declare themselves not inconvenienced by my need for accuracy, and actually come to insist on a spread of sample data..

    3. Fingered the problem

      You are obviously a gynaecologist abusing your position of trust

      1. teacake

        Misread that...

        "You are obviously a gynaecologist abusing your position of trust"

        At first glance, I read that as "position of thrust."

  16. David_H

    The Americans won't find it...

    ... because it wasn't invented there!

    1. Blackbird74

      Apple already patented the original - the iSpot - and will soon be suing the manufacturers of these blatant clones!

  17. FreeTard


    It's in the kitchen. Everyone knows that!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I was under the impression that there were a few different locations...

      Around the neck

      On the wrist


      Basically anywhere you can place a diamond

  18. Pat 11

    suspect it's correct

    Probably just simulation of the clitoris, by all accounts vaginal orgasms usually involve quite vigorous activity, just because there's no contact with the clitoris doesn't mean it's not getting stimulated. Once some one is close enough, out doesn't take much.

    1. No, I will not fix your computer


      Given that the clitoris is a much larger structure than just the external "bud", splits and goes down either side of the vaginal opening (internally) I suspect that you have "hit the spot" here, but probably for the same reasons as the researchers.

  19. Wang N Staines

    I always found the sweet spot by adjusting/moving the TV aerial nearer to the window.

  20. Derk


    I'm so glad that so much time was spent by these well paid and educated people on this subject. After all why waste time trying find out what causes motor neurone disease or dementia, when you can occupy yourself with womens' privates and get paid for it too.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @you can occupy yourself with womens' privates and get paid for it too

      Sounds good to me - I continue doing this research for nothing.

      And as for all the - I assume - men - asking how does a woman know she's had an orgasm, I can only say in my experience(of spreading joy to the opposite sex) , it's a whole body experience...

  21. Dr Who

    Finally ...

    They've discovered the female erroneous zone.

  22. SmallYellowFuzzyDuck, how pweety!

    Love that headline!

    I laughed when I saw that headline (Earth moving equipment, etc) well done there!

    I wife seems to find something approximating a G Spot whenever she turns on QVC and they are selling Yankee candles at a discount.

    Marriage followed by kids, the ultimate contraceptive...

  23. Eddie Edwards

    Typical men

    Typical men :) Instead of saying "we don't know what the G-spot is" they say "the G-spot does not exist". From the Richard Dawkins school of science.

    There's definitely *something* there, according to reported subjective experience during my informal scientific research on the subject. Even if it's just a hallucination, it's still a real phenomenon.

    1. Willington

      If it was a phenomenon it would be observable. God is also not a phenomenon... or real.

      1. Trixr


        Well, speaking as someone who is a female-type person, as opposed to nearly everyone opining here, it IS an observable phenomenon for me. G-spot stimulation is quite different to general vaginal simulation, and an orgasm involvinng the g-spot is qualitatively different to one that is external-clitoris only. And every woman I know of (and have shagged) who has a sensitive g-spot area says exactly the same thing.

        Given the extent of the clitoris, I wouldn't be surprised if it's involved, but it really does feel quite different to external stimulation. Perhaps the deeper nerve structures relay a different sensation type.

        So anyway, if the study was to "prove" an actual unique anatomical structure exists, well, evidently there isn't. But individual sensitivity is different - we all know of people who find having their ears blown into an erotic sensation, whereas others would like to punch the blower in the face - and so for the researchers to say (if they are, not having read the paper) that the *sensation* categorically doesn't exist is cobblers.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Eddie Edwards - We all know what Santa Claus is

      but he still doesn't exist. One more thing, hallucinating is real but the things you see when you are hallucinating are not.

      I'd still go with Richard Dawkins here.

    3. Spoonsinger

      Falls into the same category as...

      How do cats purr. Elusive but real and quite entertaining on a good day.

      1. Galidron

        @How cats purr

        "It turns out that cats have special wiring! The wiring travels from the brain to the muscles in the voice box, and this wiring is able to vibrate the muscles so that they act as a valve for air flowing past the voice box. The muscles work both during inhalation and exhalation, which creates the impression that cats can purr continuously. The air passes through the valve, which opens and closes rapidly to create the purring sound."

  24. jake Silver badge

    Thus neatly proving that ...

    ... many researchers spend entirely too much time in the lab, and not enough time at home with their spouse/sig.other.

    Hint: Stop correlating data for an hour or so once[1] a week. Spend the time finding your partner's G-spot, instead. You'll both be happier.[2]

    [1] Several times a week is better ... or so says SHMBO.

    [2] With appropriate nods to my Gay male friends ;-)

    1. jake Silver badge

      That's swmbo ... SWMBO! :-)

      I made the post around 3:30 AM California time ... I was spelling[1] my Foreman keeping an eye on a mare who was foaling. Vitnery reports that Mother & filly are healthy and well ... The currently unnamed[2] filly is discovering rain. I love having babies on the ground at this time of year :-)

      [1] Maybe he should have been spell-chscking me ;-)

      [2] I'm leaning towards `MsBee`, purely out of nostalgia ...

  25. Tony Humphreys
    Thumb Up

    Found it

    Its in the wallet!

  26. Ralph B


    Well, if you don't know, she's not going to tell you.

  27. ratfox

    Well, natch

    Google fails again to deliver G-spot. Apple will soon come out with their competing iSpot, and everybody will find it!

  28. Ocular Sinister


    I can't help but be reminded of this little incident:

  29. Anonymous Coward

    Speaking as a Real Man...

    Who Cares.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Surgeon Pierre Foldes: "cannot be reduced to a yes or no or an on or off"

    What a scary thing thing for a man with, supposedly, scientific training to say. Both technically accurate and complete bollocks at the same time.

  31. Steve 26

    Wrong hole

    Having seen a few American grumble flicks I think they may confused as to which hole they should be investigating.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      you're thinking

      of the a-spot.

      Now I'm thinking of it

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      As a Yank

      Wait you mean there such a thing as a wrong hole ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Any hole's a goal.

  32. OzBob

    What I want to know is,....

    when genetc engineering can make the g-spot (and the cl!t0r!s) glow in dark so we can find the damn thing. And perhaps a score readout on the iphone telling us how we are doing (from the pitch and frequency of the "ooooo"s)?

    1. Ty Cobb

      Generally you'll find the clitoris under the hood - or do you call it the clitoral bonnet on your side of the pond?

  33. Fading

    @ PatientOne

    How do you know? - well you get a cooked breakfast for a start.

  34. Jim Morrow
    Paris Hilton

    nice work if you can get it

    what would I need to do to get a job on this vital research project?

    paris icon because the existence of her g-spot should have been widely published by now.

  35. Scott Broukell

    How do you know ...

    ... when a woman has had an orgasm ?

    When the buzzing sound stops.

  36. Tom 7

    "Dig finds no evidence for earth-moving equipment"

    If they need to move earth then they should check the other orifice.

  37. Field Marshal Von Krakenfart

    Weapons of Massive Dick-straction

    Is that the same 'merkin team what went looking for WMDs as well.

  38. Richard Cartledge

    Never mind the 'G-Spot', wheres the flaming 'Reset to defaults' switch?

  39. Ru
    Paris Hilton

    I wonder if this study was as poor as the last one

    Which seemed to involve a very small and skewed sample of people. A bit of careful research suggests that it is at least partially a learned reaction, that you won't find it unless you've been actively trying to hunt it down, and that not everyone finds the sensation particularly pleasant anyway.

    Honestly, this is almost as daft as the whole debate over female ejaculation (and look at the current attitude of the Aussie censors towards that!)

  40. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

    "We're just passing the tonsils. Nothing to report yet."

  41. Anonymous Coward


    More researchers finding a way to take a little more joy out of life.....

    (And yes, I volunteer to help find the fabled G-spot in their next study)

  42. admiraljkb


    No doubt it was a vigorous study and the scientists stuck it out to the very end, and really inserted themselves into their work. After many oral dissertations, back breaking labour in the field was required. Working many late nights they couldn't quite get a handle on it, but they laid out the foundations for more in-depth research when a proper conclusion can be reached.

  43. John H Woods Silver badge

    Activation required ...

    ... Mrs Woods says it's only hard to find because it only becomes active after one's partner has cooked an elaborate meal AND TIDIED THE KITCHEN BACK TO THE STATE IT WAS IN BEFORE.

    I can't tell if she's right, because I'm only allowed to look for it when those conditions have been fulfilled.

    1. admiraljkb

      Activation required...

      Activation Server not found. Do you wish to phone product support for activation assistance?

  44. Local Group
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    It's a trick perpetuated by women

    to keep men down there, rummaging around with their instruments, looking for it.

    (buffing nails). "That's not it, honey, try a little further in and up.". "That's much better. (puts down nail buffer and runs fingers through partner's comb over)

  45. samlebon23

    When the woman is cold, she doesn't reveal anything, even her G-SPOT.

    So take your time, bake her before you shake her.

  46. Revelationman

    Never had a problem

    These Scientist do not get out much, not hard to hit the G, just experience and understanding the emotions of your partner.

    A good partner wants to please their partner, it is a thrill to feel the emotions of your partner enjoying being pleased.

    Funny how much of these silly scientist are paid to do this study, lol

    1. Curly4

      Your comments are sooo on the mark!!!

  47. Camilla Smythe


    See.. knobs don't come with clitoral stimulators and they do not bend the right way for the G spot. Ergo there is no G spot... or clitoris.

    1. admiraljkb


      Except in Kansas

  48. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

    American Expedition

    Probably turned back by cold weather and poor equipment.

    Evidence of prior teams was found, although it is unclear whether they achieved their goal.

    1. Local Group

      Wasn't there some cannibalism going on too?

      Or were they just pretending to chew?

  49. joe.user

    Except for Palatin Technologies...

    PTN I think will be the next female viagra, and not the spam kind

  50. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's next to the urethra

    Maybe it is part of the urethra, hell I dunno. If you can't find it, look in her eyes, they twitch at the same point every time. There it is.

    What is with these researchers?

  51. Curly4

    Find it by brail

    If your bofins are using their eyes to find it they never will! Maybe they need a refresher course!

  52. Richard Altmann

    just talk to the lady fgs!

    Ask her how and where she likes it and 10sec (or whatever the El Reg unit is) later you will have a squeaking,squirting Earth Mover that will test your bedsprings to the limit or beyond. So what´s the f***ing point of this kind of research? Do this boffins ever talk to the wife? Christ!

  53. Fembot

    I'm a girl and I know for a fact that the g-spot is real. If you insert your fingers curved slightly upwards into the vagina, you should feel a slight pleasant increase in pressure, that's the g-spot. I'm surprised that so many people know so little about something so obsessed over. I mean, for fuck's sake I even found a goddamned youtube video on how to find it...

    1. unitron

      And no doubt.... was exactly for that sake that the video was made.

      Sherlock, because if you're going to be looking for evidence of something, this is a great thing for evidence of which to be looking.

  54. Jason Bassford

    I'd never hire that research team.

    It's like the flat-Earthers, or those who believed we were the center of the universe. "We've done extensive investigation, and all evidence up until now says the Earth is flat and the center of the universe." Idiots. Of *course* by sifting through previous studies that have been criticised you're going to find a preponderance of "evidence" for exactly what's gone before. It's obvious. Was that ever in dispute? How about a study that throws everything out the window, including preconceptions, and actually starts doing trials and collating new empirical data?

  55. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    For what it is worth ..

    The XSSXXXX Alien view would more agree with Odile Buisson.

  56. Adrian Challinor

    Man fails for find women's g-spot

    Move along, nothing new to see here

  57. Martin Huizing
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    New Wikipedia entry?:

    G-spot: Word of Female invention to counter argue that Men too can't find anything around the house.

  58. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The first time I found the G-spot it was pretty obvious. I hit that spot (quite by accident) and my wife suddenly went into a screaming orgasm. Granted, I'd been knuckle deep for a couple minutes at that point, so she was already warmed up, but still... Further *ahem* testing has shown that there is, in fact, something special about that particular spot.

  59. MrHorizontal

    Pictures or it didn't happen.

    I somehow don't see the 'spark' or 'chemistry'. I expect the general appeal of the scientist or the lab environment didn't help either.

  60. kain preacher

    Serious questions

    Did they use just college kids or seasoned vets . Did they use any lesbians . Oh by the way did you really think lab rats would be able to find the g spot ?

  61. Red Bren
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    So many volunteers

    But none if them are women! I hope you boys are open to new experiences...

    Where is that thumb going?!!

  62. JeffyPooh

    "There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women.  Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 380SL convertible." P.J. O'Rourke

    More here:

  63. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge
    IT Angle

    eh eh

    careful how you go with the overc(l)ocking...

  64. farizzle

    Maybe they didn't

    ... have the right version of Flash.. err I mean Flesh..

    On my way..

  65. stevor

    Too bad for you

    I've found it and used it. If I weren't married and the right volunteer wanted me to show it to them, I'd gladly do it.

  66. andy 45

    I'm exonerated!

    A good day for man...

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