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An "Occupy Flash" website is urging PC users to rip Adobe's ubiquitous media player off their computers and embrace HTML5. The Occupy Flash site describes its goal as ridding the world of Adobe's Flash Player plug-in because, it says, HTML5 has won the future of the web. Adobe earlier this month admitted it is no longer …


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  1. Anonymous Coward

    Having read this

    Why, what next. Worship my god and non other. Silly humans.

  2. Pointer2null

    Two browsers

    I primarily use firefox, it does NOT have flash on it. If I come across a site that I can't use without flash I fire up IE9.

    Works fine with the added bonus that a lot of annoying ad's are flash based and so I avoid then.

  3. Luke McCarthy

    Leave Flash alone!

    The HTML5 support on YouTube still sucks. I'll keep my Flash player, thank you very much.

  4. EddieD

    Love it.

    I'll do it in a, well, flash. Sorry about that. I resisted installing Flash on my computers for ages, but soon I had to give in. I'd love to switch to HTML5, I keep all my browsers up to date, ready for it.

    Minor problem though - I'd lose most of the content that I view on the web e.g. the BBC, for the present time.

    Soon though, I will relish the thought of no more Flash apps - the sooner the better.

    Are you listening BBC, TVcatchup, 4OD...

    (If any of those do work with HTML5, please correct me, and point me to other content sites that will work with HTML5)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      BBC iPlayer

      There's a Perl program called get_iplayer that you can use to download, or stream live, audio/video from the BBC. Not HTML5, and you have to use a command line, but at least it's not Flash!

  5. Haku

    Geocities called

    They want their web design layout back.

    Seriously, a whole website on a single page with all the text formatted by a <center> tag?

    I suppose we should be greatful they haven't learnt about the <blink> tag.

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Or *vomits* <marquee>?

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        The elements (almost) everyone hates

        Bob Whipple has a nice little chapter in the recent collection /From A to <A>/ on "The Evil Tags, <blink> and <marquee>", talking about their history, why hating them is so popular, and why some people were drawn to them in the first place. It's an insightful reflection on web aesthetics and why so much of the web is awful - but which parts are awful is rather subjective.

        FWIW, I too hate <blink> and <marquee>, but I'm also not a fan of the "design invasion" of the web, and particularly of dominant trends like adapting the International Style from print, or glomming large pastel graphics over everything.

  6. Kay Burley ate my hamster


    If they thought it through they would realise that HTML5 needs codecs, and their dream of a flash-free life as prescribed by St Steve of Jobs mandates the H264 codec, which is of course proprietary just like Flash.

  7. Anonymous Coward
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    Another bunch of teenage and early 20s monomaniacs make a big noise about a small issue. Frankly the world has more important things to worry about right this minute than browser plugins.

  8. Barely registers
    Paris Hilton

    I LOVE Flash because...

    I can turn it off using NoScript, so those bastard animated banner ads don't show.

    Can anyone tell me how I'd do that in HTML5 short of http blocking the ad servers?

    Paris? Flash? 'nuf said.

    1. Gabor Laszlo

      You can block at tag level.

  9. George Gardiner 1

    I can't wait to visit Newgrounds on my iOS device..

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    occupy with a purpose?

    An occupy movement is not an occupy moment if it has a clear defined purpose.

    Occupy protestors are people who rage against - anything.

    Having a clear goal in mind makes one purposeful. The antithesis of a rabble that likes to destroy the tourism industry by residing on public thoroughfares.

  11. jake Silver badge

    And the "occupy" label gets further diluted ...

    ... Do these idiots have no clue, at all, what "cohesive" means?

  12. Anonymous Coward
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    There's also an OccupyHTML website

    Disappointingly it doesn't want to rid the web of HTML, which would be an entertaining notion, but vociferously supports maintaining the current status quo - something you'd hardly think necessary.

    I will be launching my OccupyTxt website later today in a bid to rid the web of all this pernicious hyper-nonsense. It will of course be a PIA (that's 'poor-media interface application')

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Depends how far ahead you want to look - by the time HTML5 moves from candidate to full recommendation (the target date is around 2023) the era of text hegemony will be over.....yet the analogue underpinning the future of primary content delivery well beyond is still grouping together little pieces of lead as far as W3C is concerned.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        "the era of text hegemony will be over"?

        The "text hegemony" has been around for a few thousand years. I suspect it'll still be alive and well in 2023.

        As with many technologies, we've heard predictions of the death of text for a while. None of them have been well-founded, or even well-considered.

        And, frankly, the ratification of HTML5 as a W3C recommendation is pretty much moot, since even most of the standards drum-beaters have given up on the W3C's standardization process and hitched their wagons to the WHAT-WG horse and its "living standard". Think what you will of that (I think it's a pretty poor idea myself), it's what the implementors will be looking to.

  13. Anonymous Coward
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    We need flash

    Sure, most of the time it is used for annoying adverts and badly designed pages, but sometimes it's used really well.

    And at that point it's great for upsetting iFans who can't get to a website on their favourite iDevice... :)

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    $1000 PC reigns supreme. Do lemmings ever win?.

    That similar crass bunch means that for us to view video sites of copyrighted material on tablet/mobiles both we and the developers have to use APPS.

    But hey Apple and Microsoft ultra-books at $1000 a pop will manage it while your $200 ice cream sandwich has already melted

  15. Anonymous Coward


    I expect a shower of down votes (or at least two or three)

    This has to be a joke, right?

    If not, then these folks are *complete and utter* numpties.

    FFS, you can just choose either to install or not install the Flash plugin in the first place = freedom of choice.

    Secondly, HTML5 *still* can't do a great deal of the heavy multimedia lifting that Flash is capable of.

    I'll *massively* agree that for 99% of uses, Flash should be replaced by HTML5,

    But for the 1% of uses where it really brings a website to life, online gaming, rich media interaction - you name it, the list goes on.

    Flash *still* has it's place online and anyone who would argue otherwise, is a complete and utter ... Numpty, or just a really really boring person with a neck beard.

    Just get yourself Flashblock = job done = you can still use Flash for sites that use it *properly*

  16. Bill B

    The problem is not the users ...

    ... it's the content creators. As long as there are sites whose content uses FLASH you will have users who will use FLASH enabled browsers.

    I don't go to the BBC because they have FLASH on it. I go to the BBC site to get news and information. Unfortunately they like FLASH so I have to have it enabled to get full benefit from the site.

    Mind you what I *can* do it email bbc on a regular basis asking them to look at moving to HTML5, but until they decide it's a technology mature enough to use, it won't happen.

  17. Erwin Hofmann

    A smell of Apple ...

    ... quite right, Adobes Flash has some stability and privacy issues ... which could easily be remedied, by the way ... but why do I always smell "Apple" behind something like this ...

  18. OffBeatMammal

    throwing the baby out with the bathwater

    while there are many good reasons that the world would be better off if Flash were to be "retired" saldy HTML5 is not yet mature enough to take it's place...

    In the advertising world it's easy to deliver a packaged, self contained SWF that can run, display animation, perform interactivity, report back to the the mothership etc... there's not a packaging equivalent for HTML5/JavaScript so those guys will have to resort to animated GIFs for a while!

    More importantly the video world - as folks have already noted the youTube experience isn't quite there yet - the <video> tag puts us back 5 years... no adaptive streaming (HLS, Smooth, DASH), heck not even one default codec (h264, WebM, Ogg anyone?), no DRM and not even support for basic encryption witha secure keystore (so don't expect to watch anything the Studios want to monetize... the AES128 support in HLS is about the minimum they'll go for in streaming only, SD resolution), and finally no Live streaming support so forget concert and sports coverage on the web (or even breaking news). Even things like playlists (ASX, PLS formats) are ont supported unless you want to roll your own (eg a .PLS loader - )

    HTML5 has much goodness, and browser support is improving but the spec needs some refinement in certain areas and the browser posse need to work a bit more on the common ground... maybe Flash will disappear quicker than IE6 but then again maybe it'll find a niche and be with us for a long time to come..

  19. Anonymous Coward
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    I don't go to the BBC to watch their worthwhile content because ......

    my Apple mates would get very cross with me and I'd thus be a black sheep.

  20. Wild Bill
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    ... I wasn' t convinced that HTML 5 could create fully blown dynamic graphical web sites and applications on a par with Flash just yet, but having looked at the amazing HTML 5 features they've managed to get running on that site consider my mind blown and my luddite, stuck in the past, views fully dispelled. Excellent work fellas!

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Flash & Tabs

    I enjoyed very much a slightly naughty but super high quality stream of live NASCAR on my Sony Tab last night. Whats the point of a consumption device without the ability to consume?

    I'll keep it until the eventual replacement is ready thanks.

    Flash = fun + danger, happy days no?

  22. Putonghua73


    Their aim will be achieved As soon as porn switch to HTML5 or alternative. Otherwise Flash is here to stay. In the interests of 'research' (ahem), I did find a site that required Silverlight. "Fools!".

    Whilst Flash keeps on delivering Riko Tachibana goodness, "out of my cold, dead hands" comes to mind. This from an iPad2 fanboy!

  23. Christian Berger

    What I always wonder is...

    Are there 2 different versions of Flash, one for Web-Designers which kinda works, and one for the rest of us which doesn't work at all?

  24. Lexxy

    I see your occupyflash and raise you

  25. Jordan 1


    The people campaigning for the removal of Flash are the 1%.

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