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Update: This story has been updated to reflect that the SFPD has apparently changed its story about the iPhone 5 search. The San Francisco Police Department has told a local paper that plainclothes police accompanied two Apple security officials to the home of a local man in search of a lost iPhone 5 prototype. According to …


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  1. Petrea Mitchell

    There were police, it seems...

    The SFPD now says officers "assisted" the Apple people, but didn't go into the house to search it.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Even if SFPD were present and did not enter the home

      The people from Apple who spoke to the perp claimed to be SFPD but were not SFPD.

      Can I, as a regular Joe here in London, walk around claiming to be Met Police because there's some wooden top standing behind me? No.

      So still looks like Apple are going around claiming to be SFPD, which is apparently a crime. I won't hold my breath waiting for the charges to be brought against the fruit company, however.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Totally agree...

        The cops probably git offered iphone 5's to turn a blind eye.

        Apple obviously have delusions of grandeur and importance now. One of the many reasons I'll never buy anything with Apple on it - with the exception of perhaps early Beatles records.....

        1. Goat Jam

          Pedantry Alert

          Early Beatles were on EMI. Only the later ones are on the Apple label.

          1. Grumble

            Pedantry Alert 2

            Parlophone specifically.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Don't fret

          Apple Corp of the Beatles variety != Apple Computer.

          The former sued the later.

          I think it's where Apple (later) seem to think they can sue anyone about the term "App Store" from.

      2. Petrea Mitchell


        If the witness can't confirm that the Apple employees unambiguously identified themselves as police, it's going to be a tough case to make.

        Not to worry, though; the PC Magazine article says there are plenty of other things they can be charged with. Unlawful entry, extortion, and fraud, for a start.

        1. Mark 65


          So, do private citizens have a right to carry out searches on the homes of other private citizens in SF? If the plod stayed outside that means that Apple rent-a-twats performed the search.

      3. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Posing as an official?

        It's more or less what the RSPCA do. Their "inspectors" have no more powers than any other member of the public, but the police will detain people for the RSPCA to question. All very cosy.

    2. Eddy Ito

      Always an out

      They could have easily said they were "with the SFPD" implying they were officers but in court they can easily say they meant that the SFPD came with them and were outside enjoying a donut. Why wait in the car? That way they can't run afoul of the Constitution since it was an unlawful search and all. What Apple might not realize that the Fourth Amendment is not limited in the same manner as the First Amendment is and therefore even Apple would need a warrant to conduct a search. That said, it will, as always, come down to a "he said, she said" situation. My advice is to always keep a video camera handy and use the words that will undoubtedly be used on you; "it shouldn't be a problem if you've got nothing to hide, right?"

  2. Anonymous Coward

    Keep on printing the stories boys

    As clearly that's what all this about, building hype about a future product launch.

    Fucking lame of apple trying this.

    Even lamer that El-Reg falls for it.

    Best bet, ignore all this stupid press frenzy bullshit reporting.

    1. Spanners Silver badge

      Best Option of all is

      Never, under any circumstances get an iPhone. They are fashion accessories, not primarily pieces of technology. Yes, they do smartphone things, but that is not what they are for. The great thing about Android is that it is sold as a (hopefully) reasonably priced smartphone the first purpose of which is to be a smartphone that can do stuff.

      So my smartphone can't run iTunes? It can run Android marketplace and Amazons too if I want.

      I can't run FaceTime? I can run Skype which has a bigger audience of phones and computers.

      It hasn't got the iPhone slick interface? That is nothing special, just very well hyped.

      I have never felt the need to hack my Android - I might when I get my new contract in a couple of months. I may fiddle with the old one to see what I have been missing but I have been able to do all that I wanted with it until now. I even managed to duplicate the Iphone connectivity experience by going into a lift while talking on the phone. Once the metal doors closed and we went down, it dropped the call - just like an Apple phone!

      1. Anonymous Coward

        re: Best Option of all is

        Anyone thats into technology knows not to buy Apple products.

        Anyone that's into fashion only knows about Apple products.

        I laugh at the Apple adverts that proudly claim, only Iphone comes with iTunes.. Is that supposed to make people want it?????

        1. PJI

          Double bluff called

          I'm "into technology" if you mean working and developing in it. Lots of colleagues do buy Apple kit, just because they know and understand technology.

          But I suspect you mean just "interested as a hobby", so just following the usual, uninformed, "popular = bad" fashion.

          Take a risk, learn UNIX and get an Apple computer. The risk is, you would have to eat your words.

          I am not slagging off Linux, Windows, Free BSD or whatever fetish takes your fantasy.

          1. Anonymous Coward


            Why would I want to spend 2 times more than the computer is actually worth (not what Apple says it is worth) just to run UNIX? I can do that on a much more powerful but cheaper system.

            Wher do I get my 2 times figure? I just built a Core i7 gaming rig for £900 including a full copy (not OEM) of Windows 7. No cheap parts were used. Out of curiosity I configured an iMac as well as I could ( it didn't come close - it still didn't have things the custom rig does like bluetooth, USB 3 and a bluray player) on the Apple store. Total price? just under £2000. Now I didn't include a monitor with my new rig but having just saved £1100 and got a better machine than any Apple offering I could buy any IPS LED backlit monitor I choose and still have enough change to buy another computer, or a cheap second hand car. I didn't even bother seeing how much a specced up Mac Pro would be.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Why?

              You clearly didn't spend much time researching Macs. They have all come standard with Bluetooth for years. Also, a monitor that's comparable to the 27" iMac's costs at least $1000 and that's in the US, where electronics are typically cheaper. So the price difference between your "gaming rig" and the iMac might not be as big as you expected.

              Ultimately though people pay Apple's profit margins to use OS X which is very nice, but I'm sure you want to justify your recent purchase of a PC to yourself and will argue that Windows 7 can do everything OS X does, etc. etc.

              1. bazza Silver badge

                @AC, rip off USA

                "Also, a monitor that's comparable to the 27" iMac's costs at least $1000 and that's in the US, where electronics are typically cheaper."

                Do more Googling. They're about £490 from Hazro (IPS too!). Shows how much of a rip off Apple are who charge about twice that for something no better.

              2. Anonymous Coward


                Buy a copy of OSX if you want it that badly, hackintosh it and still save shedloads of cash.

                You obviously don't research prices much as I can get a 27" IPS monitor for around £500

                And I don't have to justify anything as I paid the best prices possible and got exactly what I wanted. What needs justifying is spending more to get less and that is the category Apple fans fall into.

                And yes, Windows 7 does do everything that OSX does and more besides.

          2. atomic jam


            Maybe I have a fetish for those, My laptop triple boots Apple OS 10.5, Linux Mint 11, And windows 7.

            I enjoy using all of them. Oh and " Take a risk, learn UNIX and get an Apple computer. The risk is, you would have to eat your words ", FreeBSD is Unix and is at the core of Apple OS, Linux is a UNIX Like system and Windows is Windows, we all need a change sometime.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Fashion accessory that changed the world

        Look at the first Android prototypes and the original beta SDKs. Google was originally trying to make something similar to a circa-2007 Blackberry or Motorola Q. So next time you're using your Android's nice touch interface on its nice big touchscreen, you can thank Apple for making the fashion accessory that inspired it.

        1. M Gale

          First Android prototypes

          Oh and the 0.9 Beta SDK:

          So we can thank Apple for ...changing the Applications button/slider at the bottom a bit?


      3. salada2k

        That is just rubbish

        You are kidding, right? Have you ever used an iPhone? I'm not here to bag Android (I quite like it) but I've been in IT for 12 years and I can remote manage Windows servers on my iPhone. That's just one example of what makes it a primary piece of technology. The hardware is superior to *anything else*, and the OS is on par with Android in most respects (I think iOS has some catching up to do) but iOS also doesnt suffer the horrible horrible bugs that Android does, AND there are A1 class apps available on the iphone, but you wouldn't know that since you don't use one. I just cant stand ignorant statements such as 'they are not a primary piece of technology'. 'They are a fashion accessory'. You are a fool intent on spreading your foolishness to others. Shame on you.

    2. Paul 666

      @Barry Shitpeas


    3. Solomon Grundy


      This is all crap.

    4. bazza Silver badge

      @Barry Shitpeas: illegal activity?

      Er, aren't you missing the point? Surely even in the good ol' US of A it is illegal to impersonate a police officer? And doing so to gain illegal entry to someone's home and threaten the residence is surely an agrevating factor?

      What on earth were the SFPD officers thinking when they agreed to go along with this? With the Apple guys handing out a phone number this was always going to come out.

      And it doesn't say much for whatever GPS tracking is in the phone if Apple went to the wrong house.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      You clearly hate everything about Apple, yet you continually keep posting about them?

    6. Anonymous Coward

      So many downvotes?

      It's official - the fanbois have invaded the reg's comments.

      1. Stuart Elliott

        Don't need to be a fanboi

        .. to realise when someone's comments are complete ball-cocks.

        Haters gonna hate.

  3. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge


    Well, with this kind of stuff I guess the DA will just *have* to start a criminal investigation against Apple.

    Next: iPhone 5 lost on plane during rendition flight of a truculent employee. Film at 11.

  4. erikj

    "We're with the police"

    Well, technically, I guess that's true.

  5. Lance 3

    Illegal search?

    "The six searched his home for the unnamed device and offered him $300 for it, but he told them he did not have it."

    I would have asked for a search warrant and until they had one, there will be no search.

    As soon as they offered him money, it was quite evident that they were not police officers.

    1. David Webb

      True value

      The $300 was Apple admitting how much their iphone 5 was actually worth, anyone who pays more than that in the future is a sucker :P

      1. Lance 3

        True value?

        I would say even $300 is too much. Since I guess it is the only one in the wild, it has to go for a premium. That would put the real true value at $100 to $150.

    2. Anonymous Coward

      they don't need a warrant

      All they need is reasonable suspicion that the device is there. It used to be probable cause but the Supremes have even watered that down. So if you say that the police can't come in without a warrant you now you are interfering with a Peace officer in the performance of their duty. The Police are also know to kill peoples dogs and cats because they were " a threat to the officer".

      Sadly standing up for you civil rights in the U.S. is dangerous to your health and freedom. And don't even think about filming them to protect yourself.

      AC to protect myself.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward


        The police were outside, it was private individuals searching the home. Whomever has the prototype should send it to their senator and lets see if it happens again.

      2. James Micallef Silver badge


        Legally the police in the US need a warrant to search your home or your person AGAINST YOUR WILL. Sometimes they go ahead and search anyway but can be contested in court. What often happens is that police take advantage of people's ignorance of the legal technicalities, and persuade people to cooperate using snake-oil salesmen techniques. For example "Do you mind if I come in & have a look around" - many people will say "sue no problem" because they think they are being polite, while in reality that response can be legally taken as consent to search.

        This guy might not have known that he had the option of refusing the search.

  6. Dana W

    Silly nonsense.

    We don't need this media theatre to be beaten into a frenzy.

    I'll buy the silly thing Apple, I'm more than happy to, my 3GS is getting old.

    But save us the drama, PLEASE! I don't need fuzzy pics of stolen phones, or the accompanying media frenzy. Once I could believe, but twice in a row just comes off staged.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      And you are part of the problem

      While you are willing to keep giving them your cash Apple will carry on with business as normal.

      This includes stealing the work of others and passing it off as your own.

      Filing multiple frivolous lawsuits just to delay a competitors product getting to market.

      Blame other companies for their fuckups (blaming Microsoft when They shipped ipods containing a worm as just one example)

      Ignoring European laws about the length of a warranty (3 years) and refusing to fix a faulty product as you didn't buy Applecare.

      Ignoring EU law again by releasing battery powered devices which you cannot change the battery yourself. (why they haven't been battered in the courts I don't know, if it was any other company they would have been dragged over the coals by now)

      Deliberatly restricting what a device can do, just to introduce a 'feature' in the next release so idiots like yourself rush out to buy it instead of asking why it wasn't there from day one.

      Lying to their customers when a fault is found with a product and spending more on PR for damaged limitation rather than fixing the problem.

      Attempt to sneak software onto peoples computers in order to make it look like market share had grown. (Itunes installing safari without asking)

      Not allowing apps that directly compete with Apples own offerings because they 'duplicate functionality'. So what? If I want to have different apps that do the same or similar things that should be up to me. Apples stance is just blatently anti-competitive.

      The attempt to impose American bible-belt 'morality' on everyone.

      Terrorising journalists and threatening their career because they dared release information about a product before the marketing department (look up Jason O'Grady).

      Terrify employees with a personal police force with regard to any leak to such an extent that they have even committed suicide. This started in China and it looks to have spread to the SFPD. No corporation should have a police force in its pocket. Be afraid, very afraid.

      I could go on but point made. While Apple have such blind willing fans such as yourself they will never change. I don't buy Apple so you could say it doesn't affect me and you would be wrong. If a newspaper for example wants to sell through the App store they have to give Apple 30% fair enough apple can charge what they like. But they go one step further and ban that newspaper from selling a subscription cheaper elsewhere so they raise their prices. Even if I buy a subscription through the newspapers website I am paying a higher rate than I needed to as they are forbidden from selling it any cheaper by Apple. The more Apple get away with it, the more other companies look and think if they can get away with it, so can we. As a result expect technology to move backwards as individual companies use underhand tactics to lock you into their products and keep you there making it incredibly difficult to move to another supplier. As technology moves forward everything should be becoming more compatible with everything else, not less. We are heading back to the 80's were you had to pick a platform and stick with it as it was incompatible with everything else. IBM PC vs Amstrad, Amiga vs Atari ST etc. This is a huge step backwards and is a very bad thing.

      1. bigbandbossa


        That wasn't written on an iPhone toychscreen

      2. Marky W


        Ouch! Apple are turning into a real-life Omni Consumer Products.

        iEd-209's to be out by Christmas.

      3. Meph


        With all due respect, but you just described capitalism.

        Consumer lock-in is a wet dream for any big IT business, so you can hardly blame Apple for using the same business model as Microsoft, Adobe, Symantec, etc etc.

        In other words: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

  7. Anonymous Coward

    Another Jobsian Plow

    The PR machine at Apple is at it again by "misplacing" another prototype shortly before its launch. Someone finds it, plasters the specs over the web to get the Appletinis drooling and camping out at the stores to get it as soon as the Immaculate Conception is delivered for the 5th time.

    Wasn't the last guy who "found" the IP4 recently hired by least that was the public statement.

  8. toro_mierda

    Big Brother

    Have we slid so far down the slippery slope that the police will now sanction a Corporate search of personal property? The LOSS of your PERSONAL property does not confer your right to search someone else's personal property. Did Steve Jobs sanction that action? Is that his last earthly attempt to hold on to power? Well I can tell you Apple can suck it (to the core) for that.

  9. Antidisestablishmentarianist


    Man, what a shitty name. Poor guy.

    1. Thecowking

      On the other hand

      It could have been Nobbs.

    2. Figgus


      He's holding it wrong!


  10. sleepy

    "hype": extravagant or intensive publicity

    Apple is silent about even the existence future products. It's mainly about delaying any competitor response as long as possible, and protecting sales of the Apple product it will replace. Those are worth billions to Apple. Hype is worth only millions, and requires disclosing the existence of the product. And dirty hype, that Barry Shitpeas says Apple is deliberately manufacturing here, is seriously damaging to Apple. Why would they do that?

    I'm not claiming that this wasn't Apple, or wasn't incompetent or perhaps immoral. Just that it isn't hype initiated by senior management.

  11. Gil Grissum


    Dude apparently didn't know his rights. Tell me what California law allows an APPLE EMPLOYEE to search ANY private citizen's home while POLICE OFFERS STAND OUTSIDE, ALL without any form of warrant?? BS. Apple's people are not law enforcement and do not have any legal right to enter or search any private citizens' home, whether they think they have reason to believe so or not. In fact, Calderon can Sue and win a tidy sum from either APPLE, SF PD, or both.

    1. Keith T

      You're assuming the Apple representatives were honest and clearly identified themselves

      And you are ignoring the effects of "apparent authority" that routinely make innocent people go so far as to admit they committed serious crimes.

      "We're with the police, may we come in" a request, not a demand when spoken by a police officer, and a phrase easily usurped by someone who has hired police to accompany them.

      And the Apple employee was an ex-cop. As someone with cops and ex-cops in his family I can tell you that tricking people into giving up their rights and how to get away with crimes is a common topic.

      You can say it wouldn't happen to you, but when the day comes, likely you'll be intimidated into the wrong actions too.

      1. Gil Grissum

        I don't think so

        The difference is, I know my rights and I can tell you for a fact that some private company with an ex cop or not, does not have any LEGAL RIGHT to search My home, whether accompanied by police, or not. APPLE IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT and they have NO LEGAL RIGHT THEREFORE, TO SEARCH ANY PRIVATE CITIZEN'S HOME. I have cops and a JUDGE in my family sir, so I KNOW what I'm talking about. NO ONE is going to trick me into entering my home illegally. Show me a badge and Identify yourself. Try to mince words, I will ask if they are police officers. They aren't? Sorry, not coming in> Here's the thing. THE COPS STAYED OUTSIDE. WHY? THEY KNOW They can't enter without a warrant. Why else would THEY remain outside while Apple employees entered with the owner's consent? There you have it. NO ONE FROM APPLE can legal enter ANYONE'S HOME unless invited and I sure as hell would not invite them. They passed themselves off as police officers, tricked the bloke into allowing them entry, and committed an illegal search, period. They were not law enforcement and therefore had NO RIGHT to search the man's home, irregardless of what they believed they might find there. Some may be easily tricked. I am not. ASK FOR A BADGE AND ASK IF THEY ARE POLICE OFFICERS. They say NO, then no entry. They say yes, they are lying and illegally searching. With officers present who have knowledge of this, they are braking the law too. Can you say - "LAW SUIT AND BIG SETTLEMENT"?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Can you say -

          "My CAPS LOCK is BROKEN and keeps switching ON, SEEMINGLY AT RANDOM!!"?

  12. Arctic fox

    Just goes to show.

    If you are from "BigCorp" (any powerful corporate) the cops will *help* you take liberties, not merely permit you to.

  13. ratfox

    So, an Apple engineer walks in a bar...

    Oh you already knew that one?

  14. Oliver 4


    Troy Dangerfield?

    Mr. A. Colon?


  15. James 51

    Little different from the last stunt

    What makes this interesting is the role of the police and exactly who threatened the family and how. Sounds like they have grounds for a serious complaint.

  16. Version 1.0 Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    This is pretty cool!

    So if I buy an Apple phone and leave it in a bar then the police will help me find it?

    Man - that's a seriously cool reason to buy a phone ...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Message from Apple...

    Please, will someone find it and leak it to the press please please, we're desperate for the media coverage. Can't you see, look at the lengths we're going to to get this non-story noticed.

  18. Steve Evans

    How's that work...

    "The six searched his home for the unnamed device and offered him $300 for it, but he told them he did not have it."

    Apple cops: "We're looking for a thing, do you have it?"

    Home Owner: "What thing?"

    AC: "You know, a thingy..."

    HO: "What you talking about? What do you think I have?"

    AC: "Don't play dumb sonny, hand over the doodah"

    HO: "I have no idea what you're talking about"

    AC: "Okay, look, hand it over and we'll give you $300"

    HO: "Hand over what?!"

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Senior Investigator

    Tim Cook, I have a Mr Orwell on the line. He'd like his idea back.

  20. Bear Features

    just shows

    This kind of stupid nonsense just shows (if it needed further illustration) the lengths Apple will go to. It's pathetic and so cheap it's a joke.

  21. Anonymous Coward


    I find it disgusting that the home was searched without a warrant and by civilians when the police looked on from outside? So many people should be fired over this, the police involved, their officers in charge . There should be an immediate investigation into this with an email freeze and mobile phone record tracking and then apple should be fined massively for home invasion,.invasion of privacy, etc..

    It's a lost phone ford chrissake not enriched uranium.

    At least the fanbois will be happy when the specs are released for what they are searching for.

  22. Yag

    Am I the only one who wonder...

    If the prototype embed a GPS localisation device, will the released version of the iPhone also include such a tracking device?

    Should be more convenient than the existing methods, bypassing the cell phone provider may be handy...

    1. Tony Smith, Editor, Reg Hardware (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Am I the only one who wonder...

      It's already there. It's called Find My iPhone and it's on every handset from the 3G onward, free of charge.

      It's not beyond the bounds of imagination for Apple to use it to find its own iPhones.

      1. Yag


        As I'm not a iFan myself, I was not aware that such a 1984-esque feature was already implemented... Sorry for my ignorance :s

        1. heyrick Silver badge

          @ Yag

          Maybe their version works about as well as the one in my Motorola DEFY? Switched on everything (GPS, WiFi, mobile, bluetooth...) and tied the damn phone to a tree in the driveway. Could the Motoblur site locate my phone? Could it hell...

          I'd have more luck if I wrote an app to request a webpage off my site at regular intervals giving the location as parameters in the fetch.

          1. badsequence

            Find My phone

            I have both lookout mobile security and wheres my droid installed on my galaxy s and both apps find my phone in all the places ive tried to within about 15 feet indoors and about 3 feet outdoors. Don't know why you have trouble finding your phone with similar apps!!

      2. Vic

        Re: Am I the only one who wonder...

        > It's not beyond the bounds of imagination for Apple to use it to find its own iPhones.

        It is in this instance. Otherwise they'd have found their phone...


      3. Mark 65

        TS:Find my iphone

        I believe said functionality is only available on the iphone 4 etc and that to get it on earlier devices you have to create/enable an appropriate account on an iphone 4 and then use that account on the earlier device. That's a bit of a barrier to entry if you only have a 3GS.

  23. JDX Gold badge

    @Barry Shitpeas, Spanners

    It's hard to decide who are the most mouth-frothing fanatics - the fanbois or the anti-fanbois.

    1. Spanners Silver badge


      If my phone didn't duplicate the relevant functions, I would like an iPod touch. One day, when I am rich, I may get an Apple laptop. The first computer network I have ever used a computer on was an Apple one in the University computer labs. I have persuaded several people who are getting new computers to get Apples. I don't think I qualify as an anti-fanboi, mouth-frothing or not.

      One of my objections to iPhones arise from the reason that a lot of people get them - namely fashion. Fashion is no reason to do anything with technology. Technology is do do things with. Fashion is for visual and social effect.

      You want a SmartPhone? Get the one that best does the things you want - phone, SMS applications, development or whatever. You want to appear visually cool - get a new shirt, dress, pair of shoes or get your teeth whitened.

      1. Anonymous Coward

        Or alternatively...

        Your object to iPhones because they are popular, and the only possible explanation for them being popular is 'fashion'.



        Would you consider for a moment that iPhones might be popular because people actually like them and the way they work?

        Moreover, teens -- who usually go for 'most fashionable' things -- don't have iPhones, their fashionable phone is Blackberry, and the reason for that is Blackberry Messenger and their ability to 'text' each other for free and not uses SMS credits on their PaYG.

        1. Eddy Ito

          Re: Or alternatively...

          "Moreover, teens -- who usually go for 'most fashionable' things -- don't have iPhones..."

          You mean the teens without well off and overly generous parents don't have iPhones. A quick check with @&T shows that the most expensive BB (Torch 9810) is the same price ($49) as the cheapest iPhone (3GS). Sure, refurbs are cheaper but even then the iPhone 4 is two to four times the cost of the 9810. Sometimes wallets actually trump fashion and that the texts are free it kinda proves the point, especially on PaYG, no?

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Stay classy, Apple

    You got our iPhone in there? We'll deport your relatives.

  25. Keith T

    Impersonating a police officer is a big felony in the USA

    Impersonating a police officer is a big felony in the USA. If Apple is sending out people to do that it will be pretty serious, unless Apple has subverted the normal processes of the justice system in California.

    1. Stratman


      No problem. Crapple will just patent 'The Police' , then sue all police forces for infringement.

  26. Petrea Mitchell
    Black Helicopters

    Speaking of oddities

    I suppose it's just a curious coincidence that Mr. Colon's LinkedIn profile said he'd left the San Jose police around the same time as REACT (multi-agency, but based in San Jose) had its hands slapped and was told to give Adrian Chen's stuff back.

    1. Petrea Mitchell

      I mean...

      ...Jason Chen. Sorry.

  27. Anonymous Coward


    Sergeant Colon...

    Was He accompanied by a Corporal Nobbs?

    1. cordwainer 1

      Thank you Ex-IT

      Finally, a pertinent question!

    2. Captain DaFt

      No, it was...

      Officer Piles Burnes.

  28. Anonymous Coward

    No one find it odd?

    No one else find the account of this 'illegal search' a bit... contradictory?

    Calderón told SF Weekly that in July, he was visited by six people – four men and two women – who wore badges and said they were San Francisco police officers. The six searched his home

    Calderon told SF Weekly that four of the visitors did indeed stay outside his home. But he maintained the no one identified themselves as an Apple employee.

    Nowhere does anyone suggest they forced their way in.

    "We have tracked a stolen device by GPS and it may be on these premises, can we come in and look for it?"

    If yes - search

    if no - leave

    I don't see that as being all that sinister to be honest.

  29. Microphage

    re: And you are part of the problem

    "While you are willing to keep giving them your cash Apple will carry on with business as normal. This includes stealing the work of others and passing it off as your own", Anonymous Coward, Sep 03 2011 14:55 GMT

    OK, I'll byte, where are all the exmples of Apple stealing other peoples work.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You really want that list?

      it's a long one but here are some highlights:

      Here is a short list of features Apple stole from Windows

      Firewire - actually called P1394 and made in colaboration with a number of companies but call it firewire and suddenly Apple invented it

      They lay claim to the modern laptop format but were beaten to it 2 years earlier by Compaq

      The iPhone - a direct copy of the LG Prada

      They claim to have invented the scroll wheel - actually Eric Michelman at Microsoft in 1993

      Multi touch - Done by Fingerworks who Apple then bought to get their hands on the technology. Buying the inventor does not make you the inventor

      The iPod - was not the first mp3 player no matter what Apple tell you

      The iPod interface - directly lifted from Creative who succesfully sued and got a lot of money

      Facetime - video calling existed long before Apple thought it was a good thing and then started claiming that video calling was ONLY available on iphone

      The OSX dock - first seen on RISC OS even before NeXT so you can't claim St Jobs was involved

      Augmented reality maps - already done a few times but Apple think they can patent it

      The iPad - Apple did not invent the tablet

      Pico projectors in phones - they haven't released an iphone with it in yet but have patented it even though it has already been done. Samsung have one as just one example

      Ripping off their own developers

      Dynamic cell memory patent - as demo'd by Samsung a year earlier,13312.html

      Location based ads - beaten to it by Google

      And don't forget the daddy, the GUI they stole from Xerox (yes they licensed it at a later date but they stole it first)

      There are loads (and I mean LOADS) of other examples but point made I think. I know that other companies quite happily lift features from competitors but that doesn't make it right. Not only that most other companies are well aware they are taking from other places but don't then have the cheek to sue and pretend that they did it first.

      1. Anonymous Coward
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        fantasy post alert

        AC 11:36 Apple is hugely successful now; I am sorry for your loss. Your post contains so many errors, it's not really worth discussing. But let's tackle the first three.

        1. Yes, Apple was so comprehensively defeated in the market that Mac OS was gradually revised to work more like Microsoft Windows, as a matter of survival. But they were hardly "innovations"; simply Microsoft's way of doing things. Existing Mac users didn't like the changes.

        2. Firewire most certainly was invented by Apple. After it was submitted for standardisation, other companies also worked on the committee. It combined the benefits of Apple Desktop Bus and SCSI: High speed, peer to peer, substantial power distribution, thin, symmetrical cables (only one kind of cable as conceived), isochronous transfers, hot plug/unplug.

        3. The modern laptop format? I don't know what 's meant by that, but Apple have a reasonable claim to the first designed for GUI use. I'd say "firsts" went like this: Osborne 1 and Epson HX20 1981; Toshiba T1100 1985. Apple Powerbook 1991: the first laptops with palm rest and trackball at the front, keyboard behind. At that time PC laptops were designed for DOS; Windows 3 had only just been released, and on laptops had to be used with a separate mouse or clip-on trackball. (However, the Powerbook 100 was actually designed by Sony for Apple.) I don't think Compaq did anything first - their claim to fame was copying the PC in an Osborne form factor legally.

        1. Anonymous Coward

          Seriously? the Osbourne 1?

          Modern laptop format meaning something that you look at and see something similar to what you see today and not just a desktop in a luggable case. the Tosh T1100 had the right kind of design but the equivalent of a calculator LCD screen and no hard disk. The Compaq SLT/286 was the first that could be compared to todays modern laptops with a VGA LCD screen and hard disk.

          As to your other points:

          Firewire was never submitted for standardisation by Apple. That would be the p1394 working group which is why every member of that group gets royalties from every firewire port made. They approached a group of companies with an idea and it went from there. Apple merely own the trademark 'Firewire'. Apple did not, and could not do it on their own but as usual don't let the facts get in the way of Apple history

          Have a look at the date on the article I linked to. We are talking about things since OSX and not the transition from OS9 to OSX which from the wording of your reply you seem to think it means. Although it is interesting that in your eyes when Apple steal something it is either 'innovating' or 'surviving'. Would you feel the same way if the word Apple was replaced with Microsoft?

          So thanks very much for your 'fantasy post', anything else you would like correcting on?

          BTW, wikipedia is not the source of all knowledge so you might need to look a little harder next time.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sergio Calderón and SF Weekly

    Why did Sergio appariently call the SF Weekly instead of the local cop shop?

  31. nsld

    Pr stunt gone wrong

    Apple leave phone in bar hoping for a repeat of last time, instead nothing happens and panic ensues that iphone 5 will be on the next flight to samsung hq rather than gracing articles for salivating fanbois.

    Nice touch with the deportation threats as well, cute the release of the iCasualracism in an apple store near you soon.

  32. James Woods


    Sounds like apple security considers themselves to be sworn law enforcement.

    If the are not sworn law enforcement someone or a group of people better be in _alot_ of trouble.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    This nothing, amateurs compared to some corporates

    The head of 'compliance' of a global bank once told me that not only did this financial services giant have its own security division populated by ex-FBI and other ex-security agency and law enforcement staff but also has it's own private military unit complete with black helicopters.

    The security people often work with local law enforcement when their organisation has been attacked in some way, be it virtual or physical methods of gaining their funds, and they often take the lead role rather than the local plod; their military division has been used in cases of kidnaped employees in South America and other places where that kind of thing is likely to occur.

    Although I wonder if in these days of austerity they have subcontracted out the military work to Blackwater or other professional mercenary outfit.

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It may well be...

    ... a serious offence to impersonate a police officer in the US, but George Dubya seems to have got away with impersonating the President of the US for eight years!

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Apple as usual.

    Apple is so used to their fanboys banding over for them all the time, they are getting out of hand.

  36. Petrea Mitchell
    Big Brother

    NOW I'm worried

    Now the SFPD says "assisting" private investigators in this manner is routine:

  37. LoCatus

    Free advertising. While wasting taxpayer funds.

    Got to hand it to Apple.. This is one brilliant way to get free advertising for an upcoming product. They pulled the same "trick" with the iPhone 4 remember. Leave the device somewhere public, claim it was "stolen" media goes wild covering the hunt.

    To the SF police department. If Apple isn't picking up %100 of the costs in looking for the thing, STOP WASTING YOUR TAXPAYER'S MONEY LOOKING FOR IT! Your officers have MUCH better things to do than hunt for something that should have never left Apple HQ in the fist place.

    To whoever has this thing. A suggestion.. Have some fun... FedEX that b**ch to Samsung.

    Or.. Answer this question.... Will it blend?

  38. Kevin Gordon

    My name's Danger

    Troy Dangerfield? Seriously? What a giggle!

    1. Eddy Ito

      Must be

      Rodney's little boy, all growed up and still can't get any respect.

  39. Jedit Silver badge

    I just thought of a great advert strapline for the iPhone 5

    "We have ways of making you talk."

  40. Anonymous Coward

    sucky free publicity

    so....prototype new iPhone goes missing again. gets hunted down and found again.

    got lots of free publicity and hype last time....maybe not so much this time - but its all


    if Apple cared so much they would NOT let these devices leave their HQ premises full stop - they WANT these leaks and free pages of hype.

    i think the 'we tracked it to a house' is one reason NOT to buy one.

  41. Greg J Preece

    What's more depressing?

    That Apple have "investigators", or that they have enough of them to require a senior one?

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