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AnonPlus, the social network set up by anarcho-hacktivista collective Anonymous, has itself been hacked. Affiliates of the group began to set up the site after profiles established by its members on Google+ were turfed out last week. Days later the pre-beta site was defaced by rival hackers in Turkey, who replaced the site's …
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Were it I, I would have at least planted an overwhelming number of back doors into the site, for future fun; if it's easy to get in, prop the door open and unlatch a few windows, so you can come back and really do some damage.
Not that I recommend doing that... but strutting and chest-thumping only gets you so far. It's like children on a playground, calling each other names. You want to make a difference? Go a bit beyond sticking out your tongue.
It appears the "hackers" are a part of far-right, ultra-nationalistic group, as the wording suggests.
It is also notable that these people are kind of confused, and not too familiar with history. The Ottomans, though of Anatolian Turkish origin, were most definitely an Empire (imperial mindset and policy making, and nationalistic movements were not due for a few centuries anyway), hence did not care for nationality (only religious distinctions); thus Turks were just one of the nations that comprised it. Turks provided some of its army (as militia or mounted light cavalry, called "sipahi) but were forbidden to trade, while non-muslims were not allowed arms but were allowed to be traders. Main core of the "professional core", a.k.a yeniceri's were mostly comprised of children from Balkan countries taken at an early age, and raised to be Ottomans by muslim families (kind of a forced-adoption thing, though it was called "devsirme").
As for the hacking thing, it's all the same for me: The "Anon" group vs another anon group, defiling each others' websites, ranting online etc "..full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".
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At times, my dogs are probably better behaved than some of my friends! After all, when was the last time your dog went to a wedding, tried to get off with the bridesmaid and failed, got drunk and tried to get off with the bride(!), nearly got in a punch-up with the bestman, then came back round yours, threw up all over your bathroom and fell asleep in the bath?
".....That's the most offensive thing they could come up with?...." I suspect this is just a cultural thing, with an insult that would offend most Turks not travelling well. To many Muslims (which are in the majority in Turkey), dogs are considered unclean, and it is therefore a dire insult to be compared to a dog. This prejudice against canines persists even in educated households, where a dog may be kept for hunting or as a guard dog, but the Turkish owners would consider it bizarre to let the dog actually into the house as we do in the West.
and now this! I didn't realize that this was International Poetic IT Justice Day!! Now all we need is an article on either Mark Zuckerberg getting cyberstalked, Bill Gates having to spend the day trouble-shooting a driver conflict on a his home PC or Larry Ellison having his boat rammed by a guy not observing California state boating laws and the day will be complete!
I heartily approve...
...that if this becomes a hacker group war, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to take copious notes of the attacks. Might learn something new to worry about and defend against.
A White Hat w/spikes
(who would cheerfully waterboard these punks for entertainment before burying them up to their necks in an anthill. Or set them out in the sun with fresh rawhide bands around their heads and balls. Sooooo tired of playing defense against people with way too much time on their hands or are trying to make a rep to get hired by a security company)
Properly motivated, I might even tell you what I really think.
And it turns out the authors of the 'anon+' service "...are journalists not hackers." :shock:
The hacked page probably wasn't live code, either; they describe it as a "fake development page". And they're planning to rename the service RSN. (May I suggest "anon++"?)
"And it turns out the authors of the 'anon+' service "...are journalists not hackers." :shock:....." As was pointed out in the recent Reg article, the Anonyputzs seem to come from a variety of backgrounds, and the only common factors seem to be a social ineptness, too much time on their hands, and a belief that they somehow have the right to impose their minority views on the majority. Why should it be a surprise that some juhnahlists should prove just as idiotic as some IT people?
This is a case of the register reporter not knowing what they are talking about. AnonPlus is not and has never been affiliated with the "hacker group" Anonymous, nor was it setup by any members of Anonymous...hence the crappy security.
"....AnonPlus is not and has never been affiliated with the "hacker group" Anonymous...." Really? But I thought you didn't have a leadership, so who's to say they are or aren't part of the Anonyputz crowd? It's a bit like one group of a football club's hooligan element saying another group of the same club's hooligans aren't really fans of their club.
".....nor was it setup by any members of Anonymous...." But I thought you were "everyone and everywhere", or should that be "everyone that doesn't have sh*te webistes and get hacked by Turkish skiddiots"? So, if you're everyone and everywhere, and you don't have a leadership to run a membership list, I'd say they can call themselves Anonyputzs (if they really want to be seen as socially inept, childish skiddies and generally pathetic). Who are you to say who is and who isn't a sad little cretinous Anonyputzer?
I disagree with hackers, like I disagree with vandals and thieves, which is what ALL hackers are. If you have to hack your way in you're not supposed to be there.
I know many people will disagree on here as they seem to get some sense of pride or achievement from it but here are a few reasons why you should feel ashamed:
- You are trespassing, if I put a lock on my front door and you come in through a window it's the same thing.
- You are a coward, you don't have the balls to even commit your crimes in person, even drink drivers go out in their car.
- You clearly have a lot of talent that could be used to help people, but choose to make things much harder for businesses, which will cost them, which in turn costs the 'people' you claim to stand up for.
So there you go, rant over. If you choose to 'not like' it, justify your actions give examples and reveal your name.
So, what's the difference between a "hacker" and a "security penetration tester" in your book? In mine, none - white hat, black hat, both are hackers the only difference is in motivation.
I disagree with anyone who actually spouts crap like "Hacking is bad, mmmmmmmkay" on principle. I just don't see the world as being that clear cut, in anything, ever...
Banksy - artist or vandal? Discuss.
Banksy - Vandal; just because people like it doesn't mean it isn't vandalism it just means people like it. It's the same with hacking.
Also, penetration testing isn't hacking, it's penetration testing, part of the QA process intended to identify vulnerabilities that could be exploited for the purposes of hacking.
In the good old days, Hackers didn't break into websites, attack networks or do anything remotely criminal. No, we didn't vandalize other people's web sites, didn't steal data, nothing like that.
What we, the old school hackers, did was hack code. There were a lot of reasons to do this, including bug fixing, and yes, this is what I did, and why I was considered a hacker. You could say it makes me a code hacker rather than what is currently referred to as hacking, but you failed to make that distinction and instead seem to want to tar us all with the same brush anyhow. Not very clever.
I don't trespass: I go only where I am invited to as I consider that polite.
I am not a coward: I just like a bit of privacy. You see, Grubby, I don't know you, and you don't know me. What I know is: Grubby isn't your real name, just an alias. And using an alias is an attempt at being anonymous without being too blatant. So you, like I, seek to protect your privacy, which isn't really that evil, now is it? And yes, this is why I chose to post anonymously.
I have talent: Well, yes, that's why I work in IT, and I use my skills and talents to help people. If they want to be helped that is. I do my best to provide a good quality, professional service. I certainly do not try to make things difficult for businesses with one exception: If they cold call. Then I see them as fair game and I do delight in messing them around. But even then I consider it my civic duty to do so: They're intruders, after all, and by messing them about, wasting their time, it reduces the time they have to annoy someone else. So, I guess even then I am helping people.
But who do I stand up for? Well, me, really. I don't pretend to know what's good for you, or for anyone else, and you've not asked me to stand up for you, have you? Well, if you have, you've not let me know... but then you don't know who I am so you can't, can you? Ah, well, the delights of being anonymous.
Anyhow, there you go: Why not ALL hackers are bad. Us Old School hackers are a much different breed to these new 'hackers/script kiddies/crackers/phreakers/whatevertheycallthemsevlesthesedayspunkkidsandneredowells'.
Have a nice day :)
"Anonymous unleashes social network AnonPlus after Google+ ban"
Just because it was intended for all people, doesn't mean they weren't the ones who set it up. They set it up after Google had the morals/ethics to ban them, including their gmail accounts.
The difference between a hacker and a security penetration tester is very obvious, it's like asking what's the difference between someone test driving a car and someone stealing one. One was asked to complete a job / task, the other is a scum bag loser with no life.
I'm not against the skill of programming / coding / investigative work, that was the whole point of the post. If you'd read it right you'd see I admire it, it should be applied to something useful, with permission, which is the vital thing you don't seem to understand.
I'll come rob your house and I assume you'll thank me for "testing your security" if you email me your address.
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