Though retirement is a step up from that stupid, stupid, stupid redesign they had.
Doctor Who exec producer Steven Moffat has announced the Daleks are taking a well-earned break, and will be spared yet another confrontation with their Time Lord arch enemy for the foreseeable future. Speaking to Radio Times, Moffat said: "They aren't going to make an appearance for a while. We thought it was about time to …
We got the new daleks last season, they made a token appearance in the finale and that's been it. The 'new new' daleks haven't actually had their own episode since Matt Smith took over.
I also think it's good that this season is actually pretty creepy, the show is supposed to scare children, that's the whole point. If your children are too scared then don't let them watch it, if they insist on watching it despite being scared then the show is working.
The Doctor tends to win against any enemy, eventually, and sometimes at great personal cost. That's the nature of the show.
However, if an enemy is featured too often, they lose any scariness as we find out how easily they are defeated.. Look at the Borg in Star Trek. They started off quite scary but were used often enough in The Next Generation that they really didn't become scary again until the end of Voyager and Star Trek: First Contact.
That's one thing, IIRC, Classic Who got right. In it's 27 year run, the Daleks only featured in comparitively few stories. At most one or two a year, and a lot of years had none. This was in a full series, rather than the 13 episode series of the new Who.
New Who has featured them at least once every year, and, TBH, the only story where they were scary is the one in the first series, called "Dalek".
Every time you think you've defeated them, they come back.
Back in The Parting Of The Ways, Rose became basically a Goddess. She tore the entire New Dalek Empire atom from atom. And they came back. The Doctor buried them for an extra thousand years after their inception and they just came back meaner.
They even destroyed their home planet years before it became 'cool' and the Doctor did it (ref: Remembrance of the Daleks). And that was while they were fighting each other- the ultimate war machines fighting the ultimate war machines. With the Special Weapons Dalek (go on, Youtube it. I'll wait....pretty badass, huh?)
So a trillion miles and a thousand years from a disintegrated home, they keep coming back. The Daleks are the undefeatable foe.
Unfortunately they're now putting on weight and have decided to go a bit 1980s. Which is a shame, really. Hopefully this is just the start of a new Dalek civil war storyline- the flowery Daleks vs the NSDs.
Hopefully they have been retired while they find the plans for the earlier incarnations. How anyone can find the new fat arsed Dalek scary is beyond me, since they now look like the love child of a Tellytubby and a chav's Corsa that has been on a ram-raid through Halfords.
Until they learn to shoot the Doctor on sight, they will always be beaten. But surely that is part of the appeal, is it not ?
I see that you have sourced the Daily Fail for your Doctor Who is scary news. Relying on the Daily Fail on info about the BBC is just like asking the KKK for their opinions on African people.
I am glad that they are giving the Daleks a rest, they have been featured too many times in the past few years.
some new creepies.
IMNSHO, the best Who episodes of any series were the ones who introduced new life and new civilizations.
Maybe they should focus on seeking those out. You know, kind of going where no-one has ever been, kind of thing.
Okay, this post has degenerated from an honest appeal for creativity into a really, REALLY bad joke. I'm leaving before it gets even worse.
My brother lets his little kids watch Scooby Doo because while the episodes can be a little tense of the little ones in the end it shows them that monsters aren't real and that the good guys win through careful investigation.
OK, to us grown-ups things don't seem scary but on the scale of Scooby Doo, Dr Who might be a bit poo-inducing for the younger audience. However he wins in the end and there is often a moral to the story, which is nice to have in this age of 'shock and awe' by writers.
Paris, because nothing is too much for her.
For comparison Tom was the Doctor for around 7 years and only met them twice (the highly praised Genesis of the Daleks, and the not so well thought of Destiny of the Daleks)
Since 2005 they have appeared 7 times.
Dalek toys will always sell - I'm sure they don't need to be on the TV all the time to help the sales along.
Bring the Daleks back pronto, this season has been very poor so far and a return of the old pepper pots might be the only way to save the show. Even the Neil Gaiman episode was fairly unimpressive, but at least it was better than the rest of the season. The other episodes have ranged from poor to simply awful.
If not the Daleks, then please let at least the Cybermen put in an appearance!
One of the regular suspect scary monsters attack Earth/Doctor/whatever. Havoc ensues and disaster threatens. Doctor discovers new and highly dubious law of physics that makes all the monsters die/explode/whatever. Shortly afterwards monsters discover new and similarly dubious law of physics that lets them all return for a repeat match in a subsequent episode.
I'm sorry but... Too scary? Did these people ever SEE the classic series? People being strangled and stabbed, lobotomised, electrocuted, dismembered, cybermats poisoning people, the Master reduced to a rotting skeleton, a bodycount well in excess of double figures in some stories.... Dr Who has always been scary!
This is just yet another, "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNNNNN!" knee jerk reaction from people who have apparently totally forgotten what it was like when they were kids themselves.
For a race that were supposedly wiped out (as told in the first on the 'new' series) they do seem to keep miraculously reappearing! And don't get me started on that ludicrous Dalek-human hybrid shite in New York...!
This series has definitely been a bit questionable in places, with plot twists and over-arching story lines, and at the higher level of the scare-o-meter, but hey challenging TV is never a bad thing. I'm not sure how SFC this Amy's baby storyline is though...?
... I'd like to meet an alien menace who wasn't immune to bullets!
I, for one, am glad that the Daleks are being given a rest. Much as I am grateful to RTD for bringing the series back I found his stories to be amazingly lacking in imagination and the recurrence of the Daleks and Cybermen (and sometimes both) ad nauseam was just a symptom of this.
The weeping angles, on the other hand, were scary. Who invented them? Oh yes, it was Moffat.
It's everywhere, and yes, it's totally impervious to sonic screwdrivers. It controls our thoughts, our actions, our language, even our clothes. Entire populations are bent to its anvil. A dramatic representation on TV is well-nigh impossible, tho resistance is futile and often illegal. Go fight some political correctness in a Welsh quarry Doktor!
The problem with Daleks is keeping them scary. And like it or not, size is an issue here, boys. Of the James Bond baddies, are you more scared by Jaws (Richard Keil) or Nick Nack (Herve Villechaise)? I rest my case on the old 5-foot-something Daleks.
Oh, and this series of Who is rather seriously good so far. Last scene of last Saturday's, anyone? Eek. Plus the outstanding Neil Gaiman one.
I think its not so much that the writers thought that the Daleks needed a rest, I think they put themselves into a scenario of which they can't figure out how to get out of.
Up until now the Daleks have always tried to gain the upper hand again so to speak. Apart from some side issues it was always the main purpose, next to the extermination of everything else that is. And in the end of "Victory of the Daleks" they basically succeeded; they could re-enter the time war with their new technology. But in theory this may just as well affect the outcome of said time war itself.
So right now I get the feeling that the authors simply got themselves into a plot of which they can't come up with a good excuse as to why the Doctor would face these new Daleks again. Since facing them would also imply they got out of the time war somehow, which would go direct against everything which we've already seen on Doctor Who in the past. And we all know what issue Who fans despise most; heavy inconsistencies in the series or story.
As to the new daleks being a bit underwhelming.. I think its not only so much as how they looked but mostly of what they did. Better put; what they didn't do. All they did was trying to attack one 'meager' earth city while the whole planet was infested with "lesser creatures". And when they used their bomb (you don't really have to be a dalek to come up with such an idea) they simply fled.
The daleks we knew so far were "brave" (or stupid) enough to keep on fighting to the very end. I think thats what made them look so friendly.
I got so fed up last season of the Doctor being sidelined while other characters did the clever, the smart and the necessary stuff that I didn't even get round to watching the last few episodes, really couldn't be bothered. This season however actually has me watching, even when I have to bother using series catch up. The Doctor is acting more doctor like, coming up with the solutions, thinking ahead, outsmarting people.
I'm not saying there were no good episodes last season, just the overall feel as it moved along just didn't do it for me.
Steven Moffat seems to have missed the obvious solution to the fact that the Doctor always beats the Daleks. He should let the Daleks win. A 13-week season of trundling and Dalek voices* wouldn't be any worse than most of what's on TV.
*Do they still do this? It's been a few decades since I saw them.
I agree is is time to let the daleks (and the cybermen) have a bit of a rest. They lose their shock value when they turn out to be the ones behind every major plot.
The other race that could do with a rest are the effin' humans! Week in, week out, it's humanity this, or humanity that, be it in the past, present or future. What about all the other alien races! Don't the writers remember the third Doctor was exiled to Earth as a punishment? Why on earth would he want to spend so much time there now when there's the whole of time and space to explore?
Clockwork Daleks .... FFS that Brilliant!
WRT the the Daleks always comming back, Isn't that always the problems with what is effectivly a cloned species?
Only takes one of the little buggers to be hiding under the stairs; next thing you know
Intergalactic battlefleet :)
Watching my mates kids, watch Dr Who brings back happy memories
They hide behind the sofa, pillows and/or mum & dad
but god help you if you suggest they don't watch or try to change the channel
It's good to have a hero on TV that wins through brains, gadgets & perseverance.
There, I said it.
I know, it's a bit like enjoying Vogon Poetry.
However I would rather have a brightly coloured Dalek than no Daleks. I don't mind that they aren't in the current season, either.
I think the whole point of a Time War is that you can go back in time and muck with things, which I am sure the Daleks are doing right now.
Also the new season is doing a cracking job of behind-the-sofa moments! Keep it up!
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