Ha Ha Harold is a fraud.
OMG, I'm loving evey minute of this, how stupid can some people be?
California preacher Harold Camping is unrepentant following his second unsuccessful attempt to predict Judgment Day, and now says true believers should pack their bags for ascension to heaven on 21 October. Camping's first stab at nailing the Rapture advised Christians to get their earthly affairs in order before 6 September …
Camper's whole doomsday already happend, just neither him nor many others noticed the ascension crap but proof is at El very Reg: only the only REALLY holynoshitty iThing ascended to heaven in due time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/20/vaz_ipad_nicked/
How to correctly claim this to the insurer remains to be seen but given that the world as we knew it already ended it that doesn't really matter, does it?
Got his maths right now has he? Removed the imaginary numbers from his equations perhaps?
"Camping now says he simply misinterpreted the word of God"
As do the millions of others who use the so called word of god to control, manipulate and subjugate the gullible.
Misinterpreted?
Because scripture and the alleged word of god are usually interpreted to agree with and support the motive, morality and agenda of those doing the interpreting. I would be very surprised if a correct and unbiased interpretation of any scripture ever surfaced.
3 in 7000 is 0.04%. At that attrition rate, half the world's population would go missing in 1,617 days, which is about four and a half years. I'm willing to bet we'd be noticing if persons went missing at that rate.
The global death rate is about 155,000 people per day, currently. Three million "saved" could be gleaned in twenty days at that rate, and REALLY nobody would notice.
... and I fail to see how much more of an arse he is than the others I-have-an-invisible-bearded-friend-in-the-sky types (or the "astrologues"). He is however a bit more ridiculous, everyone in the business knows the absolute rule is "never give hard deadlines", that's just distributing sticks and begging to be beaten with'em.
Actually his strategy is quite alright: if he or his followers keep predicting the end of the world for long enough they will probably end up being right once (although I'm not sure about this rapture thing; I feel like it might be a bit hard to breathe from the stratosphere up)
Plenty of people claiming religious authority end up being found guilty in court. If there's a problem, it's more that the victims are called on to forgive the perpetrator (and do so). For serious crimes, this still doesn't stop the law provided they can obtain enough evidence.
I'm not saying there isn't a time and place for forgiveness, but it shouldn't prevent the law from following its normal course. Harold is clearly continuing to make fraudulent claims and should be stopped. He cannot claim the Bible supports his statements either, because it also expressly warns against people who do this. In other words, this was always serious fraud whether you claim to be a Christian or not.
If I stand out in public saying that I hear voices and screaming at the top of my voice that they're telling me that the world is going to end I'd get a nice new jacket with the long sleeves that tie up round the back.
But apparently if I claim that the voice in my head is god I would instead get media coverage.
The software will be ready real soon now.
IT: Solving today's problems tomorrow - or perhaps the next day...
I thought the whole idea of the rapture was you should not know in advance when it is going to be. That way the churches get a steady revenue stream instead of a bunch of sinners repenting the night before.
It's the fault of gravity; it's stronger now than it used to be, so he couldn't ascend properly.
However if he goes to get to the top of a very high building, and launches himself into the air, the (very very slightly) reduced effect of gravity means that he will be able to ascend and the world really will end.
The Bible is pretty clear on this kind of stuff [1]. For those not so interested in reading the unabridged passage, a few relevant excerpts:
"… many false prophets will appear and deceive many people … and then the end will come … but about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son … that is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man … you do not know on what day your Lord will come … the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him …"
So saying the Bible is a load of old shit anyway misses a pertinent point for the people giving this bloke the time of day: the Bible, load of old shit or not, specifically warns against wankers like him.
[1] http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24&version=NIV
"but about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son..."
So not even Jesus knows when its gonna happen? So one day the dude will be sitting on the toilet, or maybe having a shower and suddenly boom he's dropped on to Earth and expected to save people? Thats one hell of a way to start your day... I dont imagine he'll be in a particularly good mood at that point, how about you?
Is there poop in Heaven..? I thought we'd all be done with all that messy biological stuff...
Anyway, so what you're saying is that Jesus has to have his Messiah Bag packed and ready to go at all times (And what DOES one keep in a Messiah Bag, anyway..? Suntan lotion? Bermuda shorts?).
"Robert Fitzpatrick (...) was left firmly standing in a drizzly Times Square at 6pm on Saturday, with the jeers of tourists rather than a fanfare of celestial trumpets ringing in his ears."
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What celestial trumpets? I was under the impression all the best musicians ended up in Hell.
Anyone ever read an instruction manual translated from modern Korean into modern English? Laughable aren't they.
Yet the god botherers somehow reckon that a book translated from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic into English via ancient Greek & Latin is somehow the exact word of the sky captain.
Idiots doesn't come close to describing these people
I did post an article about Camper, saturday and PRPC to the jokes section of a certain dog rescue forum. Not one UK pet lover took me up on the offer (drat - I only asked for a donation of 1K to the rescue) but plenty had a good larf! I may have pee'd off a couple of "god-squad"ers but then it seems I can do that just by breathing these days.
Jacqui
He made a "mistake" last time, he might make one again this time. Can't he "pretend" he's going to be wrong again, work out the next best date, and repeat that a few times, and stop assuming this is favourite result is guaranteed spot on.
Then he can publish a range of dates (with reasoning) or error bars or something.
That would be a reasonable thing to do I think if he were honest or sensible.
Right now he's asking folk to have faith in him rather than God - and I don't think God promised extra points for people who guessed right or who were waiting outside for when he arrived, or anything... I thought the general idea was for Christians to keep themselves busy so when God came He'd find them living good lives and not lounging waiting for Him.
is to assert a feeling of certainty where none otherwise would be.
The reason hard-core religious types hate science is that it works in current-best-guess-according-to-observed-data. Also why hard-core religious types are so prone to pulling the "controversy" flag - they are cognitively incapable of understanding that scientific claims are always based on probability of correctness and ongoing corrections rather than claims of immutable certainty.
The error bars are always there, whether explicitly stated or not - it is an in-built part of the definition of science.
I think "Beyond The Fringe" had the right idea. The cast: Peter Cook, Jonathan Miller, Dudley Moore and Alan Bennett.
from http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/endworld.html
They are seated, huddled, on the top of a mountain…
Jon : How will it be, this end of which you have spoken, Brother Enim?
Omnes: Yes, how will it be?
Peter : Well, it will be, as 'twere a mighty rending in the sky, you see, and the mountains shall sink, you see, and the valleys shall rise, you see, and great shall be the tumult thereof.
Jon : Will the veil of the temple be rent in twain?
Peter : The veil of the temple will be rent in twain about two minutes before we see the sign of the manifest flying beast-head in the sky.
Alan : And will there be a mighty wind, Brother Enim?
Peter : Certainly there will be a mighty wind, if the word of God is anything to go by…
Dudley : And will this wind be so mighty as to lay low the mountains of the earth?
Peter : No - it will not be quite as mighty as that - that is why we have come up on the mountain, you stupid nit - to be safe from it. Up here on the mountain we shall be safe - safe as houses.
Alan : And what will happen to the houses?
Peter : Well, naturally, the houses will be swept away and the tents of the ungodly with them, and they will all be consuméd by the power of the heavens and on earth - and serve them right!
Alan : And shall we be consumed?
Peter : Con..sum..éd? No, we shall not be consuméd - we shall be up on the mountain here, you see, while millions burn, having a bit of a giggle.
Jon : When will it be, this end of which you have spoken?
Omnes : Aye, when will it be - when will it be?
Peter : In about thirty seconds time, according to the ancient pyramidic scrolls… and my Ingersoll watch.
Jon : Shall we compose ourselves, then?
Peter : Good plan, Brother Pithy. Prepare for the End of the World! Fifteen seconds…
Alan : Have we got the tinned food?
Dudley : Yes.
Peter : Ten seconds…
Jon : And the tin-opener?
Dudley : Yes.
Peter : Five - four - three - two - one - Zero!
Omnes : (Chanting) Now is the end - Perish The World!
A pause
Peter : It was GMT, wasn't it?
Jon : Yes.
Peter : Well, it's not quite the conflagration I'd been banking on. Never mind, lads, same time tomorrow… we must get a winner one day.
Two words:
Only in America
I realise that is actually three words and that my initial two word prediction is some way off the mark but fear not for my next prediction will be bang on the money.
Three words:
Stupid Americans are stupid
Man this prediction lark is hard. Don't you just hate it when stupid predictions hit cold, hard facts?
I suspect he honestly believes his own claims. While a good number of these evangelical types are rather obviously nothing more than cynical con-men, I do get the impression that this poor guy is desperately clutching at straws to believe his ascention to heaven will happen before he pops his clogs.
Note: formal doctorine (well some of them - I haven't encountered all of the myriad of re-edits) doesn't have you going to heaven as soon as you die. Your soul ceases to exist (or goes into suspension, or elsewhere neither heaven or earth) until Jesus returns and resurects you, at which time your soul pops back into existence and you are raised again bodily whole and ascend to heaven.
Incidentially: as such, you are not just competing with everyone alive today for those exclusive few thou. spots at God's right hand, but with everyone who ever lived (well in the past 6000 years at least).
People like Harold Camping are trying to sucker in people thinking he is a normal christian but that is far from the truth.
The whole whoopdie doo hoople is trying to get people to convert to be 7th day adventists who are people with same mindset like Harold Camping who think they can reduce the Bible to a a numerical code to explain away everything with numbers.
They are the same loony grou who think that if you do get sick then it is a sign of bad faith as a real christian would NEVER get sick under any circumstance. So yeah its a cult Harold is leading.
I prefer Revelation 22:18-19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. "
Of course any book written by lots of people in a range of different languages over thousands of years will have contradictions and inconsistencies, so it's best not to take it too literally. Even the opening few pages have two different versions of the creation, which makes the Creationists look even sillier than they do already. "Which creation are you talking about, Genesis 1:1-2:2 or Genesis 2:5 onwards?"
Maybe someone could organise a massive Light and sound show, sort of Jean Michel Jarre-esque around Campings House for October 21st. How cool would that be?
Thunderous Bass To make the Ground shake, Lots of white Lights and Lasers, Dry Ice, strobes, and the "Voice of God" or Metatron or whatever, coming on, and announcing what a C*ck he's been!
Just an Idea. :)
"now says he simply misinterpreted the word of God "
Yeah, I'd say so. In Matthew 24:36 Christ himself said that even he didn't know when the second coming would be, but this guy thinks he can work it out by reading the scriptures? Why in the world would anyone fall for this the first time, let alone the second or (now) the third?
Harold Camping is considered a nutcase even amoungst Christians, at least the ones I know.
"We're not changing a date at all; we're just learning that we have to be a little more spiritual about this"
Maybe they should be a bit more mathematical about this, I mean, we've all accidentally brought a bible to math class by mistake (due unhealthily low levels of caffeine), where 1/0=eternal damnation.
My first post hurra!!!!