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"In the tablet world we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus."
Ah, another worthy addition to the vast lexicon of marketing bollocks. Is there a school where they teach people how to come up with this crap?
An HP exec says that his company's upcoming TouchPad will overtake the current tablet-market dominator, Apple's iPad. "In the tablet world we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus," HP's EMEA personal systems group headman Eric Cador told a press conference in Cannes, according to The Telegraph …
Those apps don't write themselves... and in the consumer space I don't think anyone can claim (anymore) to have "arrived" until Angry Birds run on whatever it is you're selling.
RIM, I thought, was adopting the Android app engine (Dalvik?) - what is HP going to do?
Even though I hear WebOS is actually a pretty impressive OS, I don't get the impression that many (any?) popular phone/pad apps are available for it.
Rick,
Interesting info - I really didn't know it had this and it seems like there is a drum beat every time WebOS gets mentioned that everyone piles on to lament the - alleged - anemic app availability for WebOS. Any idea what their app engine is or how easy/difficult it is to program for?
Robert,
Please don't take offense to this, but I'm assuming you don't have kids that own or have played with an iOS/Android device. It's popular to the point of it being a sort of litmus test for popular mobile apps similar to how "but can it run Crysis" always seems to be asked by someone every time a new processor or GPU is released. I'll put it this way... I've never seen an iPod or iPad that didn't have it installed.
Long before there were "apps", Palm had a catalogue of programs which actually did real things (i.e. business and commercial applications, not just Angry Birds). I don't have a WebOS device at the moment, but as far as I can tell, there is a PalmOS emulator out there which means that I will get one when my latest Tungsten E goes the way of all electronics and I will still be able to access the 8 or so years of contacts, appointments, notes, to do lists that I store on my own PC and not in a 'cloud' somewhere.
That's what HP bought with Palm.
I think Forrester summed it up a while ago saying HP are making a decent play for second place in the Tablet market.
It's coming very late to a rather crowded market. Perhaps WebOS and apps will allow it to stand out - we will see, but suspect Mr Cador is being somewhat optimistic.
The statement achieved it's aim in a way; lots of media coverage...
They then could enter that niche in the market that Apple left glaringly open.
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Antiseptic NanoSilver coated glass and a range of washable plugins.
The companion Up the Store has apps for every taste, starting at 59p for gorgeous retired sex trade workers to 19.99 for unknown ex-eastern bloc celebrities. Plus amazing Touchstone attachments that will energise your fun.
This is such an obvious market I'm surprised no one came out with it yet.
'HP is not a sexy brand name. It never will be. While Palm wasn't exactly sexy it at least has a great reputation among business, and had a chance to invent an image for itself with the non-business consumer.'
Thats a shame 'cause HP or at least Hewlet Packard used to be a very high quality name, probably as good as Apple however they decide to go after the large PC market while trying to maintain the 'Brand' when they took over Compaq.....
The rest is history
Unless someone comes up with a javascript antivirus, F-secure and Kaspersky guys won't be able to ship anything meaningful as you can't run native code on WebOS.
That means stuff like encyripted directories, anti spam etc. won't exist. It is worse than iphone as you can at least code native stuff and unless you don't cross their "wishes", your app will be shipped.
They say code widgets using web tech. Even Apple couldn't convince developers as c developers hate such stuff. If you follow the entire mobile scene, actually Nokia tried it too. Failed miserably. (wrt).
Is it some new rule to try some web thing, fail and lose millions? How hard to find 100 popular software that users love and being actively developed and ask the developers themselves some questions? Like, would they even find time to release on some weird web runtime platform while releasing simultaneously for android, ios and symbian same time? Notice that they either sell software or they are supported by advertisers so the app must work flawlessly. It has been measured once, the time user installs an application and removes can go down to 1 minute! Yes, code hundreds of thousands of lines, test and release. User sees smallest quirk and uninstalls in 1 minute. You will never, ever convince them to try again. It is such a competitive scene.
HP guys actually take the mobile app scene serious?
fighing it out for 4th & 5th place in the market or 3rd & 4th if RIM don't get their act together
I wouldn't put it past either of them to resort to some slight of hand to stop Android & IOS from accessing certain bits of corporate software (Exchange for one).
If HP release their MK 1 device in the Autumn (they have to or they will mis another Christmas period in the US) then the iPad will have been on the market for close on 2 years. IMHO this will be far too late.
Apple will be able to counter any USP HP come up with in a pretty short time. Android won't be far behind.
can be had for under $300 and is easily rooted as there is a whole community to support it
xda-developers.com the nook is nice if you just want to read books and mags
if you want a great tablet get the gtablet....and put on the amazon marketplace to get a free app every day. The kids love them and are the perfect back seat entertainment centers.
Our company is currently dishing out iPads - they make pretty decent thin clients and suit a lot of our users.
They are, however, a bit of a pain to manage and support.
If we had a alternative that had a set of management tools we'd definitely be interested to the point of evaluating and I suspect that as long as pricing was comparable and the device itself wasn't a complete dog, we'd buy. The number of available fart apps would not be to much of an issue.
However sadly for HP they'd probably lose a PC sale for each TouchPad purchase.
At present tablets are like MP3 players - there's a clear best of breed and they're not really for general business. Apple's market leader for good reason.
If the market changes so that this sort of device is more like a phone you might buy one yourself but a lot of people would have one provided by their company - then you could see a shift so that iPad sales were more in line with smartphones with Apple a big player but not the only sane option.
If the change is greater than that and tablets are viewed in the same way PCs are then people would expect their work device to be provided by the company - they might have one themselves at home that was sexier, more fun and easier to use but the one for the daily grind would be a managed box bought by your employer - then you could see Apple's market share moving nearer the Mac level.
Apple has a head start and a quality bit of hardware but they don't have management and support services and that may yet matter in terms of who sells the big numbers.
...if the third best device can develop enterprise integration tools quicker than the market leader with the best OS and user experience, who also has a 60 billion dollar cash pile, and is already in the market improving their enterprise integration tools, HP might stand a chance.
Plausible, if challenging. But I know who I'm betting on.
in the Enterprise space is already a pretty significant issue for everything other than Blackberry - at least for my customers. We have a few environments that allow ActiveSync capable devices (read: WinMob, iOS, Android) using just the ActiveSync controls... but more typically they are looking to 3rd party solutions like Good to provide RIM-style security and manageability. *IF* HP can provide equivalent functionality to Good and RIM at a reasonable cost - or no cost - for WebOS then they could get good traction assuming the rest of the equation (cost per device, functionality/quality of the device, etc) is in the ballpark of the competition.
Of course, if they price that management pack equivalent to a Good (or any of the other similar products in this space) then there is really no advantage to going WebOS as you could just as easily go with an Android or iPad device.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/fail_32.png This guy has just demonstrated to everyone that he is one of the people "who doesn't get it" that Steve Jobs refers to. If I were his boss, I'd immediately start looking for a smarter replacement.
HP is solid in some markets but perhaps this talking head manager needs to cut back on the happys meds. No way in hell HP will be much of player in tablets with WebOS. They are not an early entrant and they will get killed on the margins vs Android. Palm was great in 1999 but their time has come and gone and if this is the best HP can do in this space Apple has no worries.
Palm execs and developers couldn't get it. Being successful is a global thing, not just USA. It is the opposite mistake Nokia did, they didn't care about American market.
If your app store, your devices, your community doesn't exist on some continents, developers from the continents will ignore your os/device no matter how great it is.
If you don't exist at East Europe, UK, Russia and Netherlands and spare your time making ridiculous claims instead, you could be some Elop of Nokia, smaller scale.
I've worked on a number of different mobile "platforms" over the last couple of years and they've all been slightly different implementations of html, javascript and css platforms. They're all just different enough that you can't seamlessly port between platforms though. Palm is another of these, though it's cleverly moving from one html/javascript/css framework to a new one for the pad style device.... (presumably because some people were becoming familiar with the old framework).
However, the real point of this is that the "universal app translator" you want is already here, it's using these technologies over the web. Apps like this can run on all the major (and not so major) platforms. Device speeds these days mean you can achieve an attractive and functional ui with this tech. Difficult to get people to pay for access though, unfortunately....
Actually, the statement about being "no 1" was made based on optimism about getting a bunch of major web apps set for the Touchpad. There will be some gaps but WebOS already has a lot and seems to be creating more partnerships all the time. I do not think that WebOS will ever be that huge on the tablet but apps will only be a minor reason. Being late is much more of an issue.
I think WebOS is an excellent OS but they are way too late.
Why? Just why do senior execs do stuff like that? Saying something in public so obviously crass and arrogant like that simply cries out to be publiclly thrashed over and over again ....
Whatever happened to letting the marketplace decide ... as it most surely will anyway!
Just thinking of the schadenfreude possibilities sends shivers down my spine ... marvellous!!
I bet Steve is already lining up the gags at HP's expense ...
Woo! Hoo! iPAD KILLER. Obviously it was the "O" that made the iPOD so death defying....
Nice work continuing to quote Eric after he had tipped his inanity hand; but did you have the decency to point out that 1+, while more than one, is actually not first place? Perhaps suggest "1-" as a way of inserting a platinum medal above gold?
People at Sony Ericsson finally figured the "Sony" part and they started to do clever things to differentiate themselves like adding Bravia engine (actually an image dsp) to Android phones.
At least they don't claim insane things like beating Apple on tablet market. Don't they pay huge money to Gartner etc? Even public, free whitepapers talk about 80% market share. 80!
Get in the queue with all the other iPad slayers that have come and gone over the last few years. Heard it all before, when you have something complete, in a box, on a shop shelf that I can buy AND you have a an online app store ready to sell me some apps, then I'm ready to listen.
I don't own a tablet of any description, I just get fed up with these tech companies constantly playing vapourware catch-up to the fruity one, either **** or get off the pot!
Plenty of "better" options out there than the iWotsits. Myself, I like a fondle-toy that fits in a pocket, which the iPad doesn't. Now if the iPad really was a small, fondlable Mac even I'd be interested at the price it is. However, it's a toy with pretensions, so I'm really not.
Seriously, a 10" screen? And Saint Jobs telling us all that 7" is too small so we'll never see a 7" iPad? Might as well buy a Netbook. All the functionality of an iPad, cheaper, has a real keyboard AND you can do more with it. Including playing Angry Birds via Chipzilla's AppUp store.
The iPad and other huge tablets just won't have as much market as smaller, book-sized form factors. Either Apple will realise this and start releasing more portable slabs, or they won't and people will eventually either go Droid or Netbook. You know people get the same sort of hypnotic "Ooh Shiny, what is it where can I get it from" reaction from my nicely pocketable Tab as the iPad? Should tell you something, that.
Other iPad slayers, indeed. Sorry matey, but for many people a 10" expensive games console with no keyboard is dead on arrival. Apple seem entirely uninterested in doing anything for these people either, so they have to go elsewhere if they fancy a bit of "Ooh Shiny" that doesn't break the bank and is actually portable as opposed to merely battery operated.
Whether they go to WebOS on the other hand, is another matter entirely...
Microsoft and HP do not seem to realise this. They should cut their losses and realise that they were simply outplayed by Apple and Google, they were too late. Anyway, HP's main source of income is the black stuff, they are wasting their time and their share holders money.
Tablets for consumers are 95% pure consumption devices, not productivity devices.
For Companies, thats different, with good tablet applications for transportation, stock-keeping, sales for example...
Of course, UPS already has tablets: custom built to be rugged with just the screen size needed and low battery consumption. I have no idea why UPS would switch to battery gobbling fashion tablets for their gazillion delivery drivers.
Large warehouse companies also have their own special style of tablet for years already. Again, I see no reason why they should change to general purpose battery gobbling consumer style tablets...
It'll take some killer application that can't run on the purpose-built devices industry already has. For a Company, there's a beauty in a device that does only one job. It keeps costs down by simplicity. And you won't find your employees sitting somewhere in the warehouse watching Hulu on their inventory scanners, like you might if you gave them all WebOS tablets.
And that HP marketing exec sounds like an amateur proclaiming king of the hill before actually getting there. Maybe they hope this message will emphasize that HP is really really really serious about putting their resources behind this.
I hope they do something good. The only thing I find my tablet useful for is as a glorified music playback controller for the couch table.
Maybe I'm weird, but I prefer a keyboard for speed of operation for pretty much anything i do on a computer. Fumbling around on touch screens is slow and painful for text input and even dialog box navigation. Its ok for scrolling through lists or using a picture gallery. I guess I just don't get it. Maybe its great for people without touch-typing skill...