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The Pentagon has asked for an investigation into threats made by the Anonymous hacking collective against officials at Quantico, the Marine brig that is holding accused WikiLeaker Pfc. Bradley Manning. The probe was requested following news reports that members of Anonymous were discussing ways to avenge the 23-year-old Manning …


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  1. Anonymous Coward

    of course he is being punished

    They can dress it up anyway they like, he is being tortured. They think he passed the info on an so he is being help up as an example. Anyone who wants to exposing anything in the future is going to have to decide if they want to run the risk of ending up like him. Which actually less frightrning than the alternative because if some of the most powerful people in the world came up with a system that will obivously drive someone to a breakdown in order to 'protect' him then we're all in serious trouble.

    1. mhenriday
      Big Brother

      As a (retired) senior consultant in psychiatry

      who spent a great deal of his professional life treating forensic patients, I can only agree with Anonymous Coward's description above of the treatment of Mr Manning as «torture», designed to ensure a mental breakdown before he is brought to trial within what is called «the military justice system». «Requesting» an investigation (I hope I may be pardoned for suspecting that an investigation has been going on long before one was «requested») into an alleged documentation campaign against two employees of the US «Defense» (read «War») Department is a transparent attempt to turn (two of) the perpetrators of this ongoing and most deliberate violation of human rights into «victims» of that great Pentagon bugaboo - «asymmetric warfare». Would that the warfare between Anonymous and the Pentagon were a bit more symmetric and that the former possessed a fraction of the resources vouchsafed the latter !...


    2. Anonymous Coward

      Barack Obama to visit the UK in May

      "US President Barack Obama is to make a state visit to the UK in May after accepting an invitation from the Queen, Buckingham Palace announced." (The Independent Feb 17th )

      I think we all need to show our support for Manning when Mr Obama comes to tea. Possibly pointing out that if people hadn't shown the courage to break the law then America would still be a colony.

      1. Anonymous Coward

        Daft Logic

        You know you have the right to protest anything your heart desires.

        Heck we have a bunch of nutters who stand outside of military funerals with signs that say "God hates Fags" and stuff that makes no sense. And yes the Supreme Court allows it. This is the same justice system that you want to protest BTW...

        But to equate what Manning did with the protests against daft Brit laws and excessive and improper taxes to fund a luxurious lifestyle? Sorry. Manning is no Patriot.

        At least Benedict Arnold saw the potential of profit when he tried to commit espionage.

        1. Naughtyhorse

          what an enlightened view

          Not what one expects from a country with serious form when it comes to human rights abuse, violation of international treatise, support of rogue states.

          You'll be telling me that they slaughter their own children next... oh hang on a second, i thought that was just places like china and iran??? surely not the land of the free?

        2. Daren Nestor

          factually incorrect!

          "daft Brit laws and excessive and improper taxes to fund a luxurious lifestyle?"

          Factually incorrect - the American colonies paid bugger all tax and the British _really_ needed that money coz of their constant warring with the French, both in Europe and in the Americas.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Paris Hilton

            @Daren Nestor

            Only the rich can afford to wage war. And of course you have to ask yourself why the English were fighting the French in the first place... (Rape the third world nations so you can live like a 'king' back in the UK...)

            1. MancMike

              Americans never lived liek kings did they?

              America were not raping the third world countries at the time in any way. I mean, Americans shipping hundreds of thousands of slaves to the US so their owners could live like kings on plantations doesn't count, right?

    3. Anonymous Coward

      Absolutely Manning doesn't deserve being in the brig!


      You're right.

      Manning's intentional leak of classified documents uncovered troves of illegal and illicit activities being committed by the US Government.

      Abu Ghraib prison. Yes sir! That was a biggie where the US service men and women got out of control. Forcing Iraqi prisoners to strip naked in front of women soldiers.

      (Ooops! My bad, it was an actual insider who blew that one open.)

      Then there were the mass graves in Iraq of a bunch of detainees who were tortured and then killed.

      (Ooops! My Bad again. These were the mass graves that the US and other Occupying forces found outside of Baghdad where Saddam and his sons tortured innocent civilians.)

      Footage from a gunship camera which was then edited and called collateral murder when in fact the helicopter crew were following RoE?

      (Ok! He allegedly did that.)

      Oh and there's more ... stories of real war crimes that US troops did commit and were tried for... but none of that was due to wikileaks....

      Well gosh, when you start to go down the list of what is happening and what Manning allegedly stole and pushed out to Wikileaks, no real whistle blowing. Just some dumbshit who got suckered in to the hype of ASSange and got caught bragging online in some hacker forum.

      So he sits in the brig. Guess what. That's what happens when you break Military Law. Military Justice is harsher than civilian justice. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You're not making a great case for Uncle Sam there buddy.

        So - given that your point is that Manning's leak doesn't amount to much - how come he deserves all the attention the US government are lavishing upon him?

        Surely not just because he broke "wooh scary, scary" military law? Lots of people break "wooh scary, scary" military law and we hear bupkiss about it.

        So either the effort USGov are expending on this trial is a waste of taxpayer's money or it isn't.

        If it's not then your point is incorrect;

        If it is then your point is correct but you need to have a word with your government about their unnecessary expenditure on this matter and maybe read them the Constitution - that thing you trumpet abroad as the guarantor of all kinds of freedoms but that don't seem to get observed in a great deal at home and is therefore actually a guarantee of fuck-all.

      2. Anonymous Coward

        Re: Absolutely Manning doesn't deserve being in the brig!

        "So he sits in the brig. Guess what. That's what happens when you break Military Law. Military Justice is harsher than civilian justice. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?"

        I imagine you feel like quite the hard man when cheerleading for the use of overwhelming force, including torture, by a instrument of government against an individual. But in fact you're just a coward. And that's what the rest of the world sees in America these days.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Title req... ran out of interest...

          "I imagine you feel like quite the hard man when cheerleading for the use of overwhelming force, including torture, by a instrument of government against an individual. But in fact you're just a coward. And that's what the rest of the world sees in America these days"

          Actually it's what a fair few of us see in people who have to hide their support for a bunch of criminals... people like you.

        2. Anonymous Coward

          @AC Posted Wednesday 9th March 2011 14:03 GMT

          First Manning isn't being tortured.

          'Bennington School for Boys' does more to their incoming 'freshmen' than Manning is undergoing right now. (And these 'freshmen' are all volunteers...)

          There are prisons/jails in third world countries that have worse conditions. Does that mean that their governments are 'torturing' them?

          Manning is/was on suicide watch.

          There's a reason for that.

          As I pointed out, you'd be the first one to scream bloody murder if he did actually commit suicide.

          Of course the reason you're crying about him is because of comments made by the defense team. That means you only heard 1/2 of the story.

          Its comforting to see that you have knowledge on how the rest of the world sees America.

          It just shows that you don't understand shite.

          1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

            RE: @AC Posted Wednesday 9th March 2011 14:03 GMT

            Whilst I agree wholeheartedly, I have to point out the futility of presenting an argument based on logic to those too obsessed with being fashionaly outraged. As with most things fashion, logic and reason play very little part in any considerations. I find it much more rewarding just to let them froth on and then laugh at their rantings.

      3. Anonymous Coward

        @AC 12:35

        "So he sits in the brig. Guess what. That's what happens when you break Military Law. Military Justice is harsher than civilian justice. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?"

        So, they get attacked by Anonymous. Guess what? That's what happens when you go against massive public opinion. Public opinion is more powerful that military/government regulations. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?


        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Title required

          "So, they get attacked by Anonymous. Guess what? That's what happens when you go against massive public opinion. Public opinion is more powerful that military/government regulations. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?


          Really ? When precisely did Anonymous gain any right to claim they're representing public opinion ? From where I'm sitting they're only interested in their own opinions, and don't give a fuck about how many people believe they're just a bunch of fuckwits.

          I wonder what happens when you chose to go against people who have the ability capability, that allow them to send around men in black helicopters armed with machine guns, they after all muct also be entitled to ignore the laws and do whatever the fuck they like. Wouldn't you agree ?

          1. Naughtyhorse


            how the black choppers gonna find 'em when the sat nav has been pwned?

            tip for the future:

            don't bring a knife to a gunfight, people will point and laugh (just look at us all a-pointin and a-laughing)


        2. Anonymous Coward

          @AC Posted Wednesday 9th March 2011 14:03 GMT

          "So, they get attacked by Anonymous. Guess what? That's what happens when you go against massive public opinion. Public opinion is more powerful that military/government regulations. Do you really need a lecture on why that is?"

          So public opinion says its ok to launch a cyber attack on the US government as a form of protest?

          I think not.

          Public opinion condemns illegal acts.

          You have the right to register a march or a protest and then protest non-violently. (Hmmm. Anonymous showing up en-mass with masks on to protest a rally for something or other? Yup. That is legal and I do support that.)

          But causing a riot, looting, and destroying property is not legal and I frown on that.

          Grow up junior.

          Manning screwed himself. I actually feel sorry for him because he was duped by Assange who left him out to dry.

    4. Knochen Brittle

      Torture - there are several types

      1. Punitive .........[extralegal sentence]

      2. Coercive .......[to confess, recant, betray]

      3. Preemptive ....[of thought outside permitted bounds]

      4. Exemplary .....[discouragement of potential followers]

      5. Scientific .......[when Reichsbildung is serious business]

      6. Sadistic ........[pure low-brow fun]

      ... but whatever the immediate motivation, when performed systematically for reasons of state, the first four factors predominate as part of a violent control system.

      In a morally decayed proxy-Empire which boasts of water-boarding someone 183 times in a month (== once every 4hrs, with each session lasting probably 3.75) and videotaping the whole series for later private psychostroking[1], only the politically purblind refuse to see that #2 is highly significant, and the confession extracted will serve its purpose irregardless of whether it is in fact true or false[2].

      Given the circumstance of the Pentagonvernment's vengeful hardon to destroy WikiLeaks by any means necessary, it is patently obvious that the maltreatment being meted out to Manning is mainly designed to force him to 'grass-up' Julian Assange on a conspiracy charge, thus enabling the extradition of a vanguard Resistance leader by a willing vassal state [Britain, Sweden or Australia] to a certainly nasty doom.

      It is a great credit to the character of Manning (the latter-day Vanunu) that he is resisting this rotten scheme at great personal cost and urgently incumbent upon those who value human- above apparatus-rights to ensure he is soon relieved or at least his martyrdom not be wasted.

      I am Spartacus!


      [1] As Hitler immortalised the agonies of July 20th 1944 conspirators, strung up on piano-wire in meat bunkers while he nursed a perforated eardrum.

      [2] As in the case of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, rendered to Egypt by CIA in 2002 and tortured until he 'confessed' the fantasy WMD connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, which his tormentors used, amongst other assorted lies and forgeries, to 'justify' the war-crime of aggression against Iraq. [ ] After a restful spell in Gitmo, he was repatriated and murdered by 'suicide' in 2009 in a Libyan jail cell by the collaborateur Gaddafi as a personal favour to GWB, within days of being 'discovered' by Human Rights Watch.

  2. David 45

    "Not for punitive reasons"

    "Not for punitive reasons". A likely story. They must think everyone else in this world is as stupid as they obviously are. Stands out a mile. They're so desperate to make an example of this guy, they'll make his life a misery until he comes to trial.

    1. ScottAS2
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      This title is naked and sleep deprived for its own protection

      Pfft. They don't need to bring him to trial now - if he wasn't guilty, they wouldn't be doing nasty things to him. It works just like Guantanamo.

    2. Elmer Phud


      Or until they 'mess up' his suicide watch and he tops himself. Not that the conditions and treatment he's getting would be, in any way, contributory to the act (M'Lud).

    3. Anonymous Coward

      You do understand the alternative right?

      What happens if Manning is found hung in his cell?

      You would be the first to scream that it was a cover up by the establishment.

      That Manning was killed as revenge.

      Then there would be the obligatory wrongful death lawsuit that the US should have put him on suicide watch to prevent his suicide.

      And you have to wonder if Manning is suicidal?

      Probably, and possibly true.

      Manning is a dupe. You want to blame someone, blame Assange.

      Everything has value and a price.

      What Manning dumped had little value and a high price for Manning to pay.

      He's sitting in the cell, not Assange.

      If you think for one minute that Manning wasn't played by someone and coerced in to allegedly stealing those documents... you're a bigger fool than Manning.

      Manning just tossed any chance at a normal life out the window... and for what? Really?

      If that doesn't make you suicidal then you're lying to yourself.

      And if you don't think Manning isn't suicidal, then anything the US Military is doing to him, should be a cake walk.

  3. DavidD

    What trial?

    I like your optimism that Bradley Manning will ever be tried for these allegations but I highly doubt it. After they have reduced him to an empty shell of his former self, maybe give it a couple more years, they will turn around and say 'Oh, well we never had any evidence to take this to trial so we'll just let him go'.

    Dismissed from the army after years in solitary confinement. The American government makes me sick. Not that the one in the UK is much better

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What trial?

      Under the spreading chestnut tree

      I sold you and you sold me

  4. CADmonkey

    Cruel? check, Unusual? check

    We all now know how PFC Manning sleeps at night.

    Question is, how do his guards manage it?

    1. Intractable Potsherd
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      Well, you know ...

      ... they are just following orders.

      Unfortunately, it is too much to hope that we'll see a repeat of the trials that made that defence worthless.

    2. Naughtyhorse


      they have god on their side.

      people agin them are agin god, and there fore have no rights

      hell they dont even have real feelings like us proper people.

      y' know what, we need to monitor these types -

      make em wear some kind of symbol on the clothes.

      make em live in strictly controlled parts of town

      take their possesions away

      even better, lets build some camps to keep them in, we'll need good rail links, close to a town for guards, but not too close, on account of the smoke from the chimneys.

      having been a lifelong athiest im starting to really really hope i'm wrong about that. cos their god is a vengefull bastard, and what they are doing to manning, he'll do worse to them. from now til the end of time.

      fuck godwin

      1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

        RE: soundly!

        "they have god on their side....." Last time I checked I saw that the US was a secular society with many religions. Indeed, the last time I went there on business I was workig with two American Hindus, a Muslim emigre from Bangalore, a Japanese-Amercian Christian, and several ordinary Americans with no propensity for Bible-thumping or forcing their views on anyone. We all got along fine and non-one killed anyone or dissed anyone else's religion, but then we're probably just a lot more grown up than you.

        ".....make em wear some kind of symbol on the clothes....." I find the fashionably morally outraged are usually quite easy to spot, both by the narrow selection of like-minded sheeple they herd around with, and their propensity for shrieking without thinking. No symbol needed.

        "......make em live in strictly controlled parts of town...." We already do, they're called NUS bars. If they graduate and gain employment, they can usually be found in winebars or street cafes, desperately trying to be hip.

        "....having been a lifelong athiest...." Really? You seem to imply that all religious people are suckers, and yet you come across as such a convert to the Church of St Julian it's hard not to laugh at your self-delusion!

  5. Anonymous Coward

    No exorcise?

    I know that some sports are accident prone, but I find it hard to believe that anybody could kill himself with exercising. How they rationalice the ban on exercising is beyond my imagination.

    Also if they are afraid he will kill himself with papercuts they could glue a kindle to a wall, with extra thick glass. Just add buttons for forward and backward page turns.

    But this is moot as the treatment clearly is motivated to be punitive. I bet if he confessed his treatment would change a lot, and hes been made to understand this without spelling it out, as that would be illegal.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

      RE: No exorcise?

      "......I bet if he confessed his treatment would change a lot...." You really should try keeping up with the news, rather than just doin the reflexive ranting thing. Manning has already admitted his part in the proceedings, what is probably making him suicicdal is the realisation that he has screwed up his life for very little gain, having been led up the garden path by Assnut.

  6. Chris Hatfield

    This disgusting treatment must stop IMMEDIATELY

    What they are doing to Bradley Manning is beyond reprehensible, he would suffer much less if they just put a bullet through his head, last July.

    Forgive me for strong language El Reg, but they are being complete cunts.

    I'd like to remind everyone who is as disgusted and outraged as I am to:

    1. Follow the superb Glenn Greenwald on Twitter (@ggreenwald)

    2. Watch the Colbert Report show where Stephen Colbert does an EXCELLENT narrative of the HBGary events. The actual episode is called 'The.Colbert.Report.2011.02.24.Glenn.Greenwald-Mike.Huckabee' (UK folks will have to get it from Bit Torrent as won't show videos to Brits, for Copyright reasons)

  7. Tasogare


    I think the five-minute-interval checkups would bother me a lot more than the rest of it. Being lost in thought is enjoyable and, I think, would help someone stay sane in such a trying situation. (at least it would help me.) Having thought disrupted is itself a punishment.

  8. Anonymous Coward

    Twisted web of information

    I'm sure the "dox" aren't for punitive reasons either.

    The Anon dox operations collect an amazing amount of data about their targets. They start with the basics like SSN and phone numbers and things like that. From there they get other details like family members or medical info and their net just spreads with no regard to privacy or data collection laws and all the juicy bits are collected, investigated and then used when the hammer comes down. If they find career ending info on their current targets or members of their families, they will use it.

    /Don't go playing with fire unless you have your asbestos suit handy

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The facts don't lie

    They have documented that Manning downloaded and disseminated secret docs. He knows he's going to die or spend the rest of his life in prison. He's probably tried to commit suicide which is why they remove his clothes at night. This is normal procedure in suicide cases.

    As far as anonomous is concerned, they may end up in prison too like any other criminal.

    1. Intractable Potsherd
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      "Criminal" in these cases ...

      ... is what public opinion says it is. The criminal action lies with the guards, the government, and the apologists. Whilst I understand that "doxing" my not merely affect the people doing this, but their families and friends, I completely support Anonymous in this. It is not vigilante, it is revolution that is long overdue. However, all corrupt regimes like to characterise revolution as criminal behaviour.

      The sooner people that have think they can do disgusting things without retribution realise that the world has changed, and that they now have to take responsibility for their actions in the wider world, the better it will all be. Let the trials begin.

      1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

        RE: "Criminal" in these cases ...

        "... is what public opinion says it is......" Well, actually it's that darn thing called "the law" which makes that decision. If the public opinion is strong enough then the public votes in different politicians and the law gets changed. Fact is, Anonyputz and people like you are so far in the minority there's more chance of Bin Laden getting elected to the Senate than anyone that shares your blinkered views.

        ".......It is not vigilante....." No, it's a criminal act. Anonyputz are just minor crims that like to think they're "big'n'bad" from the safety of their parents' basements.

        " is revolution that is long overdue...." Slight problem - revolutions without popular support are just criminal acts like riots. Face facts - you and your friends are the minority, you have no chance of swinging the general public behind you, and all you are doing is playing at revolutionary because there's nothing on TV to keep you interested. TBH, you all need to go out and get laid. You'll probably need a lot of pimple cream first, though.

  10. Rob Moss.
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    Punishing him to save his life


    They are making his life living hell in order to save him from risk of injury

    I would like to see what exactly this risk of injury is based on

    1. Ian Michael Gumby

      Ever spend time in an ICU?


      They are making his life living hell in order to save him from risk of injury"

      Spend time in an ICU of any major hospital. The noise goes on 24/7. So you have patients that are sleep deprived, and lack privacy. If you happen to get a 'moaner' in the bed next to you, its even worse.

      The point is that its a living hell for the patients and yes the doctors are making the patient's life a living hell in order to save them.

      1. Knochen Brittle

        Walpole Grumpboy, did you Ever spend time in solitary confinement?

        ... never mind the military type? ... never mind as an [Geneva-Conventions-rights-free] 'enemy combatant' under U$A official torture regime?

        It's easy to tell by your weak-as-dickpiss analogy that you have not none of the above, therefore the ancient maxim applieth - "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

        Although you try to hide behind a façade of 'Law and Order', it is all too obvious that your justification of torture stems from a cheap political imperative to protect favoured 'Western' war-criminals, whose cherished traditional impunity is threatened by those who expose incriminating evidence - which in my book is stinking hypocrisy of the lowest degree, but no surprise, as willfully blinkered little HomeLanders such as yourself are easily induced to display whatever traits of intellectual whoredumb the totalitarian predatory imperialist System requires for its continued economic survival.

        So just declare yourself and strut that armband with pride, willya?

        1. Matt Bryant Silver badge

          RE: Walpole Grumpboy, did you Ever spend time in solitary confinement?

          "......"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."....." Oh dear, if only you had thought to follow your own advice! Your diatribe is just an astonishing deluge of paranoid delusions and fashionable buzzphrases, it's like abridged version of The Dummy's Guide to Leftism, only without any intelligent bits left in. Armband? You might as well have goose-stepped round the room waving your copy of The April Theses! Please, just explain what "incriminating evidence" has Manning provided? His leaks were, at most, embarrassing for the US Government. Please try putting one foot back in reality before considering your next post. Then again, you do provide great, if unintentional, humour!

  11. David Hicks

    If you need it pointing out who are the good guys ...

    ... and who are the bad guys in this situation, shoot yourself now.

    A hacker group, variously called script kiddies, a great hope for the future, youthful activists or just plain terrorists is demanding - get this - that the US government treat a prisoner awaiting trial as a human being.

    And yet some people will have a problem with this, somehow. Despite the history of 'innocent until proven guilty', despite the prohibitions on 'cruel and unusual punishment', we saw that those running the show had no regard for human rights when guantanamo bay was set up. We saw that nothign had changed when Obama forgot to close it down. This is just another in a growing set of things that ought to be making any true patriots of the USA scream bloody murder. Except those that wave flags and crow about how great the US is are more likely to side with the military because Manning is perceived as the enemy. Not a US citizen, not a soldier (that they claim to venerate) but the enemy. And the enemy deserves no rights, is not human, for some reason.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Media shitstorm

    Great to see the amazing media shitstorm around his treatment.. oh wait, even Anonymous gets more coverage these days.

    It just shows that only fear really makes any difference. Think we'll need to work on a better leaker protection program for next time.

  13. Neoc

    Yeah, right

    This is "not for punitive reason" the same way that Japan's killing of whales is "not for commercial reasons".

  14. JaitcH

    Pentagon officials say the treatment is not for punitive reasons.

    Who's try to con who? Civilians aren't like the military, they don't check their intelligence at the door.

    Of course, being a marine, Bradley Manning is getting the full treatment - bet his cell air conditioning is turned up pretty high, too.

    This is, of course Obama justice at work, Bush torture to cold attribute to ignorance but Obama actually excelled in university and is a lawyer and one of his duties is to protect American citizens.

    Lucky his hasn't been declared an enemy combatant. Although, come to think of it Guantanamo inmates have it better.

    Hope that this treatment is rated as cruel and unusual punishment and Manning is discharged on a technicality. Bastards.

    1. Sabine Miehlbradt

      He's army, not marines

      Actually he is US Army not USMC. They just put him in the Marine brig. Prisons are expensive to keep and the UCMJ is the same for all services so I suppose it makes sense to have cross-service prisons.

      That makes him an army traitor among marine guards. Poor sod. The treatment certainly is cruel but I'm starting to wonder if it is still unusual.

  15. Anonymous Coward

    Good Luck!

    They're behind 7 Proxies.

    (At least I SURE hope so.)

  16. Anonymous Coward
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    What a bunch of barbaric fuckers.

    And America still doesn't understand why the world hates them.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Norfolk 'n' Goode

      I don't excuse the yanks but they're not the worst in the world, and your words are the words of a cosseted westerner. You wanna try China, Burma and many more. There are billions of people ruled by worse than the govt of the US of A, western child.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Yes, but

        The difference is that they don't PRETEND to be righteous, and their subjects don't loudly announce that they are the best country in the world and the "land of the free".

      2. Ru

        "they're not the worst in the world"

        Ahh, because other nations indulge in such activities all the time, its perfectly okay for the good old US of A to do so only every now and then? At least, until they're worse than China! I guess at that point its fine to cast aspersions upon them, right? But until then, the western children should quit whining.

        You'll note that N&G made no mention of their relative unpleasantness in the grand scheme of things. Your point is irrelevant, and your argument is pitiful. Presumably you are also a child, but at least you can remain on the moral high ground, being neither cosseted or western, right?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      Ha...Your brainwashed if you really believe that. With out a doubt the US has problems but calling them "barbaric fuckers" given the state of other governments in the world is pretty irresponsible. That being said, I do feel bad for Manning and hope the claims of solitary confinement are being exaggerated.

  17. foo_bar_baz
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    "I stopped giving water to my dog because it pees on the floor everytime it sees me." says the guy who kicks his dog.

    And this is happening under Barack "close Guantanamo" Obama's watch. Disgusting.

  18. SuperTim
    Black Helicopters

    Military Vs Civilian

    I suppose the US gummint seems to think it is absolutely A-OK to "re-educate" Brad every night. Being in the Military, he is not subject to the same laws as civilians would be. They can pretty much do what they want to him. If they think that the same rules apply to civvies being held for the same kinds of crime, then they are wrong, but that probably won't stop them doing it anyway.

    Now where did I put my commemorative Camp X-ray tin cup? I may be needing it soon!

  19. Graham Lockley

    'Pentagon officials say the treatment is not for punitive reasons'

    Where the hell is Amnesty when you need em ? This isn't 'punitive' in the same way that waterboarding wasn't 'torture' !

  20. Mystic Megabyte

    Evil bastards

    It's pretty obvious that reading and exercising will keep your mind away from suicidal thoughts.

    Poor guy!

    Just to remind our American readers why the USA is so despised. For years the USA has de-stabilized any democratically elected government that it did not like whilst blathering on about democracy.For example, Australia.

  21. Anonymous Coward

    Take them down, chaps.

    Good luck with this one, Anon, its your biggest target yet.

    Manning should immediately be handed over to civil authority until the point of his trial so that at least SOME standard of human dignity will be granted to him. These US military types are little better than state-sanctioned sadists with a license to torture handed to them by a sick-minded government, w ith a twisted set of morals and principles stemming from a warped interpretation of western religion and philosophy, and a rock-solid belief that relentless and unending pursuit "the bottom line" or "the almighty dollar" are the only true values by which success can be measured.

    I know certain posters on here will disagree and rattle on in defence of Mannings treatment, but I suspect they're the same sort of people who think that the way the 'inmates' at Guantanamo are treated is fair, or the torture and humiliation of prisoners at Abu Gharid was acceptable, and to be frank I simply don't want to engage with the emotionally and mentally deficient types who fit that bill. Personally, if I were presented with such a person, I'd cheerfully see them suffer the same woes they've heaped on their fellow human beings and let THAT serve as a warning to those who seek to justify such abuses in future.

    The same retrogressive and primitive attitude may also lead these neanderthals to defend Mannings treatment on the basis of the their own legal system; they justify the actions by laws. Laws they have created themselves, through sophistry and machination.

    Well, USofA, you are, at the end of the day, a collection of people who have decided to manifest your will, through your laws, on people you are meant to protect. I know another group of such people, called Anonymous, who have decided to manifest THEIR will and THEIR laws on you in response. Their mandate is just as legitimate when looked at simply and without unneccesary complication.

    Do I hear you yelling not fair? Do I see you seeking them out and trying to label them as terrorists and traitors? Tough, US, you made your bed now lie in it. You know, I hear a lot of the world yelling "not fair" back at you, and a fair few labelling you as "the terror" that they have to contend with, and the evidence, to be frank, is mounting against you. And, unlike the poor folk living in mud-brick houses which they share with their goats and their extended families that you like to use your expensive weapon-toys against, THIS group is capable of engaging you on a battlefield for which YOU are poorly trained and equipped, and you're right to be scared.

    The shoe is on the other foot and world opinion is shifting.

    It's starting to say "America? Fuck, no."

    1. Intractable Potsherd

      Bravo, AC ...

      ... many, many upvotes are included in the one I am limited to.

      This is a revolution - have no doubt about it. It just goes to show that you can never tell where it is going to come from, but it will come! All of a sudden, I have hope for the world.

  22. Anonymous Coward

    It is a shame...

    ...thatn Anonymous is best known for DDOS attacks. In my book, they are best known for their tireless efforts in worldwide, legal, legitimate picketing of scientology buildings and for the considerable assistance and support given to people who leave said cult and return back to the land of democratic society.

    The years of long standing work done in these avenues far outstrips the few DDoS attacks that I have read about.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Where does it lead...

    ...he might try to choke himself to death on his own tongue, perhaps he should be fitted with a witch's bridle as a precaution against that - for his own benefit, of course.

  24. Thomas 18


    Lets see:

    1. Prolonged exposure to cold temperatures

    2. Sleep deprivation (he has to answer every 5 minutes)

    3. Solitary confinement

    4. Nothing to do for 23 hours a day

    No wonder he is suicidal. They want to show the world how much he is going to suffer so that nobody else even thinks of leaking material.

  25. Anonymous Coward

    I smell a new defence for Gary McKinnon

    no one should be extradited to states that have such cruel and inhumane 'punishment' for those awaiting trial.

    the sleep deprivation and no reading material alone, are inhumane and have no grounds. the removal of clothes and confinement are equally so. Heart monitors cost $50 and are a perfectly reasonable alternative to the five minute response, yes they require cooperation, but as an alternative to being awoken every 5 minutes I'm sure cooperation would be forthcoming.

    It truely is sad to see such treatment from such a nation.

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Go Anonymous

    see title...

  27. Jacqui

    The "New morality" movement.

    Ben Bova wrote the manual for the current western (and middle east) religeons on how to ensure the politicos and public sit up and beg. They have done everything from picking the politicians through to ensuring only true believers get into decent public schools.

    Oh dont forget he even predicted science being "dropped" in public schools - and if you think that is far fetched just have a chat with some of the very few science teachers left in UK public schools.

    Darwin is already a dirty word in many catholic schools.

    The only thing he got wrong was selene and mars - he though us science folks would work and push harder.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    The US isn't Saudi Arabia...

    I doubt many of the posters here watch any of the TV that talks about the CIA going after those involved in the 9/11 plot back in Pakistan.

    There was one show about a high level Al-Queda prisoner that the CIA captured and brought to an undisclosed location.

    They waterboarded him, unsuccessfully multiple times. And it wasn't until they did a ruse of handing him over to a couple of interrogators pretending to be Saudi military and taking him back to Saudi Arabia for further interrogation that he broke.

    He gave up the names and numbers of two people. I believe one was a member of the Saudi Royal family (there's a lot of them) and one was a high ranking official. In Saudi Arabia, there was no trial.

    One of the 'suspects' was killed in a single car crash. The other was found out in the desert and died of dehydration. (Not a fun way to die btw...)

    You do the math.

    So being in a military brig because he's a military prisoner isn't so bad now, is it?

    1. David Hicks


      He'd get worse if he was in Saudi Arabia so it's OK?

      As long as you're just a little bit better than the worst thing you can think of, then everything is just fine?

      You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Title req... nah!

    I don't know why the Americans haven't just shot Bradley TBH.

    I mean it's not like he has any grounds to complain, it was perfectly acceptable for him to break the laws to suit his own opinions, and so he must respect that other people have exactly the same right, to do whatever they want, like shoot him.

  30. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Psychopathic Uncle Sam ...... a Suitable Case for Treatment.*

    You couldn't make it up ....... but they are making it up. The trouble is that the facts don't fit the narrative that they are spinning .........

    And was not Obama elected with a well publicised promise to close Gitmo within a year of taking office?

    Leader of the western world? Oh please, a puppet is a muppet is a shill and a fraud.

    *"Morgan, an aggressive and self-admitted dreamer, a fantasist who uses his flights of fancy as refuge from external reality, where his unconventional behavior lands him in a divorce from his wife, Leonie, trouble with the police and, ultimately, incarceration in a lunatic asylum. —IMDb" ......

    1. Old Handle


      From the article you linked: "...I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."

      So that's where the "credible information" for all those damn alerts came from. Now it makes sense.

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