English Defence League membership list stolen The personal details of English Defence League supporters have been stolen in a hacking attack on its website, it was reported today. The far-right group's leadership emailed members in recent days to warn them of the breach, the Daily Telegraph reports. "As you may have become aware the English Defence League clothing site …
>EDL were formed by a football hooligan
What's your point?
The early years of Amnesty International were formed (note: not founded) by an ex-Chief of Staff of the IRA. So I guess it's just an organization for protecting the rights of terrorists:
Or possibly past associatons can't always be relied upon to predict future behaviour.
The violence at EDL demostrations , only seems to have when the Unite Against Fascism, whats even stranger , is that when the press mention who gets arrested, if its an EDL person thats noted, otherwise its just a number of arrests.
Ah well nothing like unbiased media.
I remember sitting in a pub back in the 70s when there were a series of riots between the NF and the Anti Nazi League. The table just behind was full of a group of Yoooofs who were discussing which side they were going on for the next days planned riot. They were debating which side would give them the best chance of giving a few Coppers a good kicking. Politics is immaterial to some people, they just want an excuse for a fight.
I've no time for either the EDL/BNP or their leftie counterparts in the ANL, they're all the same really, all just out looking for a fight. When I were at Uni in the early 90s, I got really fed up with tossers from the Socialist Workers Riot Division causing mayhem, giving the BNP etc. loads of ammo to use against the other (peaceful) anti-fascist organisations. Should have kept those copies of Searchlight...
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Democratic Republic of Germany, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, National Socialists, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Peoples Republic of China. Need I go on.
If a leadership feels the need to state a political or cultural belief in the title of their organisation it probably means that is what they want people to think despite the glaring inconsistencies in their actions.
Here are some snippets from the BNP's 2010 manifesto:
- The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service.
- The BNP will reverse the budget cuts on education and prioritise this sector as vital to the rebuilding of our nation.
- The BNP will offer free university education to deserving students who have completed their period of Community Service.
- The BNP will make rail travel affordable once again by reversing the disastrous privatisation process which has grossly inflated ticket prices.
- The BNP would take some of these savings and invest them in rebuilding British industry and skills through an active protectionist policy as many other European nations already do.
- The BNP will therefore introduce legislation to ensure that a foreign acquisition of any significantly-sized British company is judged to be in the public and national interest before it can proceed.
- The BNP will oppose the privatisation of natural monopolies such as Royal Mail.
- The BNP will reinvigorate the IT sector in Britain with massive investments in technology universities.
- The BNP will institute a policy of protectionism for the local IT industry and jobs.
- The BNP will nationalise the telecoms infrastructure to enable the creation of a not-for-profit 100Mbps broadband service across the country.
To be honest, their manifesto is a bit of a handbag of unrealistic populist policies (including 200mph maglev trains). Not all of it is socialist, and some of it is sensible, but it's clear that they believe in a big, redistributive, interfering state. They favour protectionism, nationalisation, and welfare (for those who meet their definition of British), rather than free trade, privatisation, self reliance, and genuine charity.
To characterise the BNP as "far right", as if they are a little bit further along Lady Thatcher's road, is grossly misleading. They have a lot more in common with Old Labour.
It's all down to a combined attack by Commies, Eastern Europeans, Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, Students, the entire Musilm faith, Jews (just in case) etc. etc.
And has nothing to do with the coincidence that the English Defence League has no defence against invaders.
I have a head filled with snot and a raging temperature but this has made my Christmas for me.
Santa (foreign bastard that he is) has come early.
"Far-right" really doesn't mean anything. It's shorthand for "polite people don't share these views, and while we're at it why not smear the Tories, UKIP, and all for being on the right and therefore a bit like far-right-lite".
Call a spade a spade, but don't just parrot this nonsense, please.
@Lee
"Far right" is invoked to denote extreme libertarianism - small state, deregulation, open borders but no benefits etc.
"Far right" is also invoked to denote heavy regulation (generally based on some notion of 'race'), and all the very interventionist policies of the BNP.
The term means contradictory things, ergo, it means nothing.
far right used to denote "small state, deregulation, open borders but no benefits"? In some parallel universe perhaps. Centre right is closer to what you define but absolutely no group defined as "far right" matches that description.
It may mean nothing to you, but that is simply because you have invented your own definition in order to [erroneously] prove logical fallacy and therefore claim whatever you wish.
"Far right - you keep using tha' word. I no think it meens wha' you think it meens"*
*With apologies to Mandy Patinkin
Right and Left are pretty poor descriptors now days.
When people use them they attach differing concepts depending upon their own view point.
Those who idealise the "left" believe it represents wealth redistribution, civil liberties and, fairness.
Those who idealise the "left" then in turn believe that the "right" stand for "stamping on the little guy", fascism and, injustice.
Those who idealise the "right" believe it represents self improvement, civil liberties and, fairness.
Whilst viewing the "left" as "Inspiring people to be dependent upon the state", authoritarianism and, state control.
Both try to cling to either a redistributive economy (those who earn the most pay a higher level back while those who earn the least receive additional benefits) and on the other side a view that reducing redistributive burden leads to greater growth and opportunity (somewhere like Hong Kong).
It is of course nonsense, on both sides.
The old compass is a better way of really getting to grips with these things (liberal/authoritarian and free-market/managed economy) Though it could probably do with a 3rd scale... something around traditionalism maybe.
If you look at immigration, a supporter of free market economies would be all for it as it increases the potential labour pool and adds consumers.
While a supporter of a managed economy would be against immigration as you need to find somewhere to make use of the additional man power and it means more mouths to feed.
People on the "far right" actually tend to be authoritarian left, as they believe in jobs for everyone of the correct colour (managed economy) they also tend to be strong believers in state control. State control is of course easier in a managed economy. The more GDP the state controls the more power they have over the population (as they employ more people, take a greater wedge of your earnings, possibly own your home/power supply/etc.)
Not that there are no authoritarian right, it's just more complicated, basically it only makes sense if you're rich.
Not that extreme authoritarians are blessed with much sense.
<i>"Right and Left are pretty poor descriptors now days."</i>
I agree wholeheartedly.
The history is complicated, and Rothbard's 1965 essay "Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty" makes interesting reading.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard33.html
We'd be better off avoiding these terms altogether, but we must loudly protest against suggestions (either careless or cynical) that right-wing Conservatives and libertarians are in any way supportive of fascism. On the contrary, we believe that the state should never have that kind of power.
Daniel Hannan highlighted a particularly bad case of it on Sunday:
"On Radio 5 live yesterday, David Baddiel described the Freedom Association, a libertarian campaign which, in the 1970s and 1980s, led the battle against the trade union closed shop, as being “a very, very right-wing, kind of sub-BNP, slightly posher version of the BNP organisation”."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100068889/bbc-the-freedom-association-is-a-kind-of-sub-bnp/
... someone publishing the ANL membership list as well.
A few years ago I got caught in the middle of a fight between ANL and BNP thugs as I made my way home from work. This was close to Waterloo station in London, and something to do with a gig nearby featuring a skinhead band from what I understand, Take away the different badges each side wore, and you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between them - I came close to being belted round the head by one ANL'er who accused me of being a neo-Nazi because I was wearing a leather jacket. Twat.
Did anyone ever read the book "Porno" by Irvine Welsh? One of Simon "Sick Boy's" scams involved nabbing the names and account numbers of a football fan club. The re-use of very obvious passwords/PINs were the key to the scam...well...ahem...one of the keys to the scam.
As their clothing site got hacked I just had a thought for a new Gok Wan show:
How to Look Good Racist.
HA HA HA
(I just can't see beyond the absurd world we live in that the EDL have a clothing site. Clothes about/from the EDL. Who buy's that stuff? Who is stupid enough to buy that stuff from the EDL website?)
Can people please STOP referring to this list as a membership list. Last week my workplace began receiving hate mail because I am supposed to be a member of the English Defence League. i had to look them up to find out who they are. After checking through all my accounts I eventually found a one pound paypal donation. I believe but can't be certain that this was from a support the troops button linked to a story about a poppy burning protest.
Clearly I am STUPID but I'm not a fascist. Whoever is sending out these emails. Can they pack it in before their mother finds out.
.In the meantime I shall be asking paypal for my pound and asking why they hand out shipping addresses to what appears to be a charitable donation.
do you _really_ expect us to believe that?
C'mon... Anything more than a casual google into EVERY SINGLE one of those stories has revealed it as nothing more a massively overblown bigotfest bit of propoganda - usually in the Daily Brownshirt.
You actually fell for it, then were surprised it got linked to the knuckle-draggers? Hellooooo?
"....Anything more than a casual google into EVERY SINGLE one of those stories has revealed it as nothing more a massively overblown bigotfest bit of propoganda...." I assume that Socilaist Weekly didn't get round to covering the same event that the BBC reported on then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11987236
The PayPal story is interesting as I often click on the charitable donations for things like Help The Aged, Cancer Research, etc, but I never realised PayPal passed on any details to other organisations. Off to read the PayPal Ts&Cs.....
I'm more concerned by anti-democratic silencing of political groups, however nasty they are. I'm just as worried about the ultra-left wing fascist thugs as I am the ultra-right wing fascist thugs. One thing we shouldn't do is silence them. Get Nick Griffin on Newsnight as often as possible, the more people see how hapless he is and won't vote for them. Get the anti-capitalists on TV as well so people can see through them. But let's not persecute people for their beliefs, let's ridicule them.
Hey, lets have membership lists for all the stupid Socialist groups on Wikileaks, BNP (already there), EDL, ANL, AFL, Searchlight, other 'Anti-Fascist' and 'Animal Rights' fascists, and most of the UK Political parties, and see which idiots support them, and this farce of democracy.
I've had enough of trying to persuade any of these idiots.
The BNP and EDL do have some good points, things are being made worse by the insane Political Class, their mind corrupting Political Correctness, and other Hegelian Dialectic trickery, unfortunately their policy is to use authoritarianism and ideology to tackle the symptoms, but not tackle enough of the root causes, so don't see that they are just diversionary tools of the Political Class. The ANL, Searchlight and all the other 'Anti-Fascist' fascists are just more Political Class sponsored tools, to prevent discussion of the real issues.
Right and Left are just Socialist scale BS, it's technocratic legal theft drivel, as proven by Austrian Economics.
What we need is remedy; for us to accept responsibility for ourselves and others, stop falling for all the corporate drivel we are fed daily, and get educated on what we really have to do to be free and prosperous! TPUC has some better ideas, as does mises.org.
Your gloating article is appalling. At the end of the day the law has been broken. The law is there to protect everyone. It is obvious from the comments posted here that the majority of posters don't give a monkeys about the law, and are in my opinion as contemptible as the EDL or extreme muslims UAF.
thought to go and check out why the EDL was formed, rather than relying on our plainly unbiased and well informed media?
the EDL stands against muslim extremism/jihad and has people of all skin colours in its membership.
such organisations tend to attract extremists who merely wish to provoke violence.
the knuckle-draggers of "combat 18" are one group so identified.
maybe rational, informed debate will one day be thought rational.....................
Any of you astroturfers got an explanation for why your thugs trashed a Hindu temple in the Midlands last time you were here ? Why your hooligans were running around attacking anyone with the poor luck to be born brown ? Thought not.
Hooligans and thugs, nothing to do with politics or religion. It's about causing a massive stink and running around trashing peaceful neighbourhoods. When it gets right down to it chummy, I like my neighbours, I don't like racist rioters.
When a few muslims in Luton burnt poppies the EDL turned up in Portsmouth (why?) to harrass and shout abuse at our generally fairly integrated and unobtrusive muslim community outside their mosque. A 6ft poppy was also graffitied on the side of the mosque building.
Incidentally the mosque leader taking the wind out of the EDL's sails said:
"we would have been happy to have a poppy painted on the mosque - but it was graffiti, and they should have asked our permission before painting on our building." :-)
We have no history of any issues with our quite small muslim community down here and the EDL and troublemakers of their ilk are not welcome.
We are not here to discuss the rights and wrongs of hackers stealing personal data - we have pretty much already made our position clear.
What we are here to do is to mock the afflicted - we really enjoy laughing at Neanderthal racist far-right dick-cheeses who, it appears, in general haven't even got the tiniest shrivelled up micro-balls enough to stand up and admit they are members of whichever bunch of dickheads is in question.
Thank you for your time.
..but too much of a guardianista to be one of mine.
i support the EDL because i believe in a multithiest society, not the monotheistic fascism of fundamentalist islam, or any other dictatorial pixy-fest
if you value your freedom, you had better also.
otherwise you could end up getting your head sawn off in front of a live audience.
so, which fairy do you worship?
who do you hate/wish death upon because they grovell to a different fairy?
the EDL are, if any thing, left of centre, welcoming people of all colours and religeous beliefs, so long as that does not include the promotion of violence and repression.
there are hindus, muslims, pagans and christians in our ranks, how does that make us racist?
why do you mix up race and religeon?
perhaps you need to get a hobby.
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