First day WinPho 7 sales top 40k, claims market watcher Microsoft and its WinPho 7 partners sold only 40,000 smartphones running the new OS on the days of its launch, it has been claimed. The figure only covers the US market and comes from an unnamed researcher who tracks mobile phone sales, according to website The Street. Microsoft hasn't said whether the total is right or wrong …
Dude, check your facts:
- Xbox360 outsold the Wii and the PS3 in the last quarter. Hence, not turd, rather: Market leader.
- Kinect - by the time it went on sale in the UK, it had already sold out in most high street retailers' pre-order system. No figure yet for the few days since release. Either way, serious non-turd.
- Internet explorer is still the most widely used browser in the world.
- Zune - well, ZunePass is pretty popular (it's certainly a better deal than iTunes, since it offers all-you-can-eat music at a really low price). The Zune hardware was never released in the UK, so I can't comment.
- Vista/ME - What is the point of commenting on old versions of windows? Does no tech company have past errors? Does Apple not have the Pippin and the Newton (which both crashed and burned)? Does Google not have Wave and Buzz (ditto, and much more recent too)?
Bottom line - Microsoft is sitting on a massive pile of cash, and has released a phone OS that is sold out in lots of countries, in the first few weeks after its launch. You are a commentor on an internet chatroom, offering them product strategy advice. Do you have ANY idea how absurd that looks?
My I remind you that a huge percentage of Xbox's died with the RROD - and lost customer faith in MS. Also, small matter that the XBox division was about six billion in the red recently.
As for the other points - well - trying to defend the Zune etc just emphasises how bad they were - and floundering about trying to defend them is absurd.
Hmm, that's some selective factifying there.
XBox360 sales in the last quarter are not in question, but what was the cost of all the Red Ring Of Fail XBoxen that filled the first few quarters of its existence?
Every review I've read of Kinect has said that it's not the full shilling at present.
IE: most widely-used != best
Zune: IT WAS ALREADY THE COLOUR OF A TURD.
>Turds:
>Xbox360
Never owned one, but the original xBox was capable enough in its day. It's still good now (especially when it's hacked), I can only presume that the 360 is similar
>Kinect
Wrong on an epic scale. There's even open source drivers for Kinect now, it's free to be used with anything and I expect to see it get taken up big style.
>WinMo7
>Zune
>Internet Explorer
>Windows Vista
>WindowsME
Bang on the money, but IE9 looks like it may be a non-turd. It will, after all, be the first MS browser with a nod towards standards compliance.
>Not Turds:
>WindowsXp
Err...really? It might be my favourite MS OS, but XP certainly has some turd-splatter on it. Not releasing USB devices when I demand it is my biggest gripe. There are more.
>Windows7
Are you serious? It is a total sack of bloated vomit (if have to suffer its suppurating pestilence on a daily basis)
>.NET and Developer Tools
Some of the GDI is nice, some integrations are good, debugging is great and, in general, VisualStudio is faster than Eclipse. But that's it. The languages are not cross-platform and TFS is a bucket of diseased sputum.
>Office products
Ah, I see. This is "humour" isn't it? Office is a raging pile of foetid balls, 2007 and 2010 even more so. Inconsistent APIs, inconsistent windowing behaviour, poorly documented (and inconsistent) file formats, lack of standards support, bloated and slow.
Kinect may have drivers for it but that does not mean you can dance in front of Kinect wired to your Linux OS and expect anything notable to happen. The drivers enable basic webcam functionality since most of the functionality in the 360 is software side. It might make Kinect useful as a pan / tilt webcam, or perhaps a primitive 3D scanner. Don't expect it to be useful for much more.
Oh, I don't expect to see "Extreme Tux racer"* being Kinect controlled by tomorrow morning, I don't even expect it to be necessarily used with Linux. Once the drivers are stable enough to start passing meaningful values, people will use it for all sorts of things.
The average PC (any OS) has more than enough grunt to do the processing the xBox does.
It's more akin to someone recovering from major brain surgery. MS basically scooped out all the legacy apps from Windows Mobile 6.5 and reimplemented a new UI on top. In the long term that's a good thing. In the short term Windows Phone is disoriented, lacking basic functionality and drooling slightly.
I certainly wouldn't want to buy a phone in this state but I expect in a year or so it will be a more compelling story. A year is a long time though, possibly too long given how fast these things are moving.
I see you (yet again) have no actual merit to your comments, so you have taken to making up insulting names for WP7. You are the drollest troll I know.
When you have time, you might want to consider the actual merits of the OS you are commenting on, such as:
- Functionality,
- Platform advantages,
- Hardware choice,
- Available software,
- Music licensing model,
- etc.
Make a bit of an effort to, you know, say something relevant next time. For all of us. Cheers.
You're right, it's too easy to say something like Win Pho sucky sucky. But why is it so easy. Oh, it sucks that's why.
It lacks basic functionality. It's buggy. It's very much a first version.
Platform & hardware aren't relevant as it's a software package. If you don't like Win Dog, just install Android. I'm sure there'll be a hackintosh hacked version of iOS to install one day.
There's little available software. Certainly compared with the 300,000 apps available on the iPhone.
To top the lot The iTunes^H^H Zune software sucks on Macintosh - I've never got any Windos Vista II on me and never intend to.
You sure lurve your WinDog:-). Good. I'll stick to my iPhone & iPad (used to write this)
Yeah look at windows 7 that didnt sell like mad on the first day either but its already lthe market leader due to styeady sales.
So the premis of this story is
MS FANBOiS not stupid enough to camp out all night just to buy a phone !!!
*either that or their all busy playing COD BO on a computer that can game ?? :D
"Yeah look at windows 7 that [didn't] sell like mad on the first day either but its already [the] market leader due to [steady] sales."
It is nigh-on impossible to buy a PC without Windows 7 due to OEM agreements. I do not call this abuse of a monopoly position a valid gauge of the popularity of Windows 7.
When the iPhone came out there was nothing like it before, so of course it sold better. The market is well established so it will be much harder for a new smartphone. Comparing this against the droid and nexus 1 the figures are broadly in line.
Anyway, 1st day figures are largely irrelevant, it is where the market is in a year from now that counts, not a day.
PS to the first commentator, IE 9 is actually pretty good IMO.
WinMo has (or rather had) a user base for a variety of reasons, all based on its wide application base, it's excellent synchronisation with desktop apps and the ease with which it could be customised / tweaked / played with.
WinPho 7 does none of these things, being instead a "me too" consumer device.
That'll be those who want one buying an iPhone* and those who use WinMo refusing to touch it with a bargepole then. This thing's deader than the Palm Pre, it just hasn't stopped twitching yet.
Yes, I am a long-term WinMo user and no, my next device will not be running WinPho. I'll be sticking with my old WinMo device (and possibly replacing like for like) until someone cuts an Android ROM with its fixation on gmail being the centre of the universe removed.
*If you are covered in wool and prone to bleating, it's the better option.
Guess what?
You and a few others. But (a) it's a drop in the ocean in the big picture (b) MS count them as Windows 7 sales because as far as MS are concerned, they no longer sell Windows XP (of the non-embedded variety, anyway).
SO I'm not quite sure what that tells us, except that MS bend numbers any way it suits them, and we should therefore use due care when dealing with numbers from MS or any of their certified-MS-dependent supporters club.
How many people have voluntarily paid for Windows 7 (e.g. as a retail upgrade) might be an interesting statistic. But all you routinely get from MS and their stooges is how many people bought Windows 7 because it unavoidably and non-refundably came with a PC (even if the PC later went on to be used with a non-Windows OS, which does occasionally happen).
I was quite interested in trying one out on the day of release - not that I'm a potential customer... 19 months of contract left for me :(
But I still have not managed to find a high street shop that has one ready to be played with. Nothing. Not one. Even when the iPhone 4 had sold out everywhere for weeks, plenty of shops had a display model to mess with.
The other issue is that none of the shops I have been in even understood that it was a new platform, or could even explain anything about it. Most met me with a blank stare (nothing new there though from the normal phone-selling-muppet)
Let's hope they can get those figures rising, since it can only help the whole marketplace by having more competitors.
Windows For Mobile Phones 7
Who thought that wouldn't be turned into something offensive? You need to start off with a good name, if you don't have a good name, pick one without meaning. At least don't watch Pulp Fiction before brainstorming a new name.
Windows has no prestige, it was never a high-end product. It is associated with being at work, locked-down desktops, corporate backgrounds, reboots, rogue AV, viruses and tech-support calls. It is not a selling point for a phone. Nobody wants the hassle of their pc on their phone.
If MS want to do something in the phone space they need to spin off a new company with a new name and completely rebrand the phone stuff. Produce something stunning and cool. Developers will quickly work out if there is a similarity to the windows OS underneath which might make their life easier.
When the iphone came out it was revolutionary, that's why so many people camped out to buy one and why it was sold out everywhere for ages. These days there are lots of good touchscreen devices around so the release of windows phone devices was always going to be a bit 'meh'.
This doesn't mean that it is rubbish, it just means that you cannot expect it to fly off the shelves like the iphone did/does. I'm sure uptake will be slow but steady and lots of people will get one when their contract runs out.
I won't be buying one myself, i'll stick with my HTC hero till it dies (or i get bored of it and fancy a new gadget) in which case I'll probably get another iphone. Not because I'm an apple fanboy (I am an apple fan however), but because I think it is a good device and does what i want it to do.
No, it won't be rubbish, just an also-ran.
I'm not a Fanboy either, but I do think that Apple electrified the smartphone market, and the only reason MS are offering something better than their hideous Windows Mobile is because someone forced them to. Predictably they are several years behind and can't....quite.....manage.....any.....real.....innovation even though the bar is quite obvious.
Should we be surprised?
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