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The head of the national police unit set up to tackle internet crime told lies under oath about her involvement in a plot to damage the career of a junior detective, a judge has said. Detective Superintendent Charlie McMurdie, of the Met's high-profile Police Central e-Crime Unit (PCeU), falsely claimed that conversations she …


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  1. Tom 38

    Qui custodiet ipsos custodes

    No-one with any power, clearly.

    Coppers - I want to trust them, but I really, really don't.

  2. Adam West

    Breaking News!

    Some coppers are bent!

    Also, scientists prove water is wet!

    Good article tho. Always nice to see proved what most of us already know to be true.

    1. Christoph

      "most of us already know to be true."

      I could sing you a song.

      It won't take long.

      1. Andus McCoatover

        Haven't heard that for 32 years...

        Nice one.

    2. JaitcH

      @ (Some) MOST coppers are bent!

      Any job that is incentivised stands the risk of exaggerated reports by the performer of the task.

      The police are supposed to be an uninterested enforcer of statutes, to report accurately, and without lies or enhancement, the truth to a court.

      If these particular Plods can't even be trusted to behave fairly between themselves, keeping in mind the maxim "honour amongst thieves", how can any court trust their sworn evidence which is even more degraded by their reprehensible failure even to answer questions honestly?

      Why do they still hold their jobs, their rank or their pensions? In any self-respecting organisation the offenders would have been given the Order of the Boot.

      There again, we're discussing Plod, so those criteria don't apply.

  3. Red Bren

    Words of advice?

    >The Met has applied its weakest sanction - "words of advice" - against him over the affair.

    Don't get caught next time!

  4. Anonymous Coward

    Senior Metropolitan Police officer can't tell difference between truth and lies

    In other news, bears observed defecating in forested area.

    The news here is that someone challenged it. Thank you for publicising it, shame the honest guy lost, but that's the way it still is in the Met.

    Where's Sir Robert Mark? We need him back, though it wouldn't be popular.

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Quite unpopular, because

      He recently died. Was featured in BBC Radio 4's "Last Word" obituary show.

      Hey, are these the folks who are now going to be in charge of online child pornography? Do you think they're against or for it?

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Do you think they're against or for it?

        Against it...unless (at least) one of them is an aficionado

  5. jake Silver badge

    Ah. I see.

    It's the Peter Principle all 'round, innit.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    Whilst I'm not at all shocked that the brass at the met is as bent as a two bob note, I'm also not suprised that once again they walk off scott free, and I'm not suprised by the lack of media coverage... wait no I'm not shocked by anything in this case.

    The shit floats to the top, and "British justice" is an oxymoron.

    1. Keith T

      the mainstream media doesn't want to risk its sources

      The mainstream news media doesn't want to risk its sources for regular crime reporting, so they usually go easy on corrupt police.

    2. Jeff Deacon

      The shit floats to the top

      Just a small technical point:

      Turds produced from a diet rich in fat float. If the diet has little fat, the turds sink.

      Just thought you'd like to know ... yes, I'm on my way ...

  7. Dan 10


    So in summary then, we have a rather candid tribunal that has found serious wrongdoing and corruption and negligence, blatantly pointed out that fact, and the Met are entitled to simply say "well, we already investigated that and it's all fine, honestly"?!

    If she's been found to have lied under oath, there should be serious consequences.

    1. Intractable Potsherd
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      ... is defined as something the ordinary person would get severely penalised for, but police can get away with every time. Don't expect anything to happen to this lying shit - it didn't happen in the de Menezes case, and it won't happen here.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Our Glorious Boys In Blue

    Christ almighty. What a catalogue of corruption. Justice is a funny thing when it comes to putting coppers in the dock.

    Never... Quite... Seems...To... Work.

    I can think of another high-profile 'cyber crime cop' due to (possibly) face the courts quite soon. Quite depressing, really. I'm not too optimistic justice will be any better served there, either.

    1. Keith T

      Judges and prosecutors depend on police

      Judges and prosecutors depend on police to protect them from the enemies they make doing their jobs. So there is a conflict of interest.

      Put a cop on trial, and his or her "brother officers" show up in the audience and stare.

      The message, you want us to come when you call, you let our buddy off.

      Certainly no intelligent juror in their right mind will trust the testimony of a police officer from a police force that openly tolerates perjury and evidence tampering.

  9. Trygve

    Misbehaviour at the Met is rewarded, while honesty gets screwed over?

    What a big surprise. Same old same old.

  10. Daniel Pimley

    Good cop, bad cop

    "The Met will carefully review the findings to see if there is any wider learning for the future."

    Let me help you with that: lying, cheating scumbags do not deserve to be police officers.

  11. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse
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    So if that is justice to their own, what chance do the rest of us have...

    So it is legally proven that a mans life work is systematically and deliberately ruined by those that should really set a better example and he doesn't even get his legal costs paid? And to add insult to injury, the perpertrators are currently off scott free.


  12. Anonymous Coward


    These guys must have some really good dirt on people in high places.

    Bit like Bush had on Blair.

    1. penguin slapper

      Oh puleeese

      Delusional nonsense based on the fantasy that the only time a British politician does something wrong is because he's blackmailed into it.

    2. Anonymous Coward

      Like Bush had on Blair?

      Or Mandelson on Blair and Brown - how else would he be recalled to government twice after being pushed for behaviour which would have had Joe Doe prosecuted?

  13. Tasogare

    This one depresses me.

    "The award of £38,000 does not cover his legal bill."

    Somehow that just makes me want to cry. Not so much because of lawyer-hate, but just the idea that he successfully charged them for screwing him, and yet still ends up even more screwed. He's right; they have won and he has lost.

    I wonder what the judge was thinking. It doesn't sound from the quotes that she had any illusions about what went on. Even if perjury charges are never brought, why issue a judgment that acknowledges the gravity of the original offense, but leaves the victim still in the hole for even attempting to have it compensated?

    (I also wonder if McMurdie's willingness to both cover up the initial cheating and screw the whistleblower stems from some specific connection between her and Williams, or just a general hostility to whistleblowers)

    1. John Blagden

      Truly depressing

      Wonder how Williams got hold of the questions before-hand!

      Just saying.

  14. Lottie

    The good guy lost :-(

    This is sickening.

    It looks like the best way to go about breaking laws with impunity is to become a copper.

    "Words of advice"?


  15. John I'm only dancing

    Above the law

    As we all know, the Police are above the law, and for some, they are the law. It is good to see they have given the public another very good reason to trust the, tying on oath to add to Section 41, Section 44 amongst others.

    I believe if a civilian, ie non-mason (Senior Met officer) had perjured themselves,, then the full force of the law would be applied.

    AC because you never know who's watching.

    1. Chris Miller


      Can't be a Freemason - she's a she.

      1. Yag


        Woman and mixed freemason cells exists.

  16. Da Weezil

    RIP the trusted British Bobby

    This.. CCTV.. speed cameras.... the abuse of fixed penalties to curtail public liberty... is it any wonder trust in the Police is at such a low ebb?

    I agree we need another Mark.. with a brief to put every single police unit in theUK under the microscope... Just think of the savings to the public purse if we dumped all the bad officers... It would likely thin the ranks down quite a chunk.

    What we have now seem to be largely arrogant ego-maniacs who address the public with a total lack of respect, while eagerly displaying a level of power over the citizen that has grown out of proportion and is starting to look like it is out of control.

    Time the bad guys got a short sharp shock and bounced out of any position of authority and onto the dole queue

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Welcome to the 51st State!

      Looks like our boys in blue have watched the US lads and started to see the selfish, personal benefits of being a Copper in a 1st world nation!

      We've already had our own Rodney King episode, with that poor Brazilian lad being killed in public by mistake and the Coppers simply being told "Don't do it again!" and sent back to work.

      We can be truly proud of what Robert Peel created....

  17. Anonymous Coward

    What a heap of theiving scumbag wankers..

    The post is required, and must contain letters.

    The fact that their integrity is in doubt *should* mean instant suspension, I feel truly sorry for any honest plod out there, because now they know it's not even possible to blow the whistle on wrongdoing...

    Fuckers, I was quite happy today, now I would like to feed those unworthy twats slowly feet first into a meltog pulvermatic... I'm mildly pissed off..

    1. Keith T

      Integrity is an essential requirement to be a police officer

      Integrity is an essential requirement to be a police officer, or it would be if we had a fair and reasonable justice system.

      Perjury, tampering with evidence, should make a person totally unemployable as a police officer or security guard.

  18. ShaggyDoggy

    Copper tells lies !!

    In other news ....

    Politician claims fake expenses

    Banker gets a big bonus payment

    1. Keith T

      Every one is guilty so nobody is guilty ... NOT !

      Every one is guilty so nobody is guilty ... that is such a lame over generalization, routinely used by crooks to justify their crookedness as being the social norm.

      Some politicians claim fake expenses, some bankers get big bonus payments, and some coppers are crooked.

      The crooked ones should go to jail.

      And for cops, when a cop makes that argument they are arguing that we can do without police forces, thus: If cops tolerate crooked cops, then cops can tolerate crooked civilians, and we can dispense with police forces, prosecutors and courts entirely.

  19. Sir Runcible Spoon


    This sets a grand example of corruption for lower eschelon officers to follow.

    Bravo corruption. Let's make an internet film about this and make sure it says 'based on real events' at the beginning and show it off at Cannes to the rest of Europe how good it is to be a senior copper in the UK.

    Fucking bent coppers make my teeth itch, my skin crawl and my stomach knot in rage all at once.

  20. Tequila Joe

    Nothing to see...

    Once again I'm impressed by the the Beeb's news reporting:

    cat in a bin = headlines;

    corrupt coppers colluding = silence.

    Maybe the Beeb regards the coppers' actions as normal/acceptable - wouldn't surprise me.

    Hey El Reg, from what was reported, how come Shaw was awarded so little?

    1. Chris Williams (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Nothing to see...

      The tribunal awarded damages for hurt feelings, and aggravated damages. Awards for both these types of damages are limited. Shaw asked for exemplary damages, which are unlimited, but was denied.

      Employment tribunals can award costs up to £10,000, only where the other side has caused delays or acted un reasonably. In this case the tribunal found there was a short delay while the Met looked for certain documents.

      1. Keith T

        Perjury and evidence tampering reasonable?

        Perjury and evidence tampering reasonable? Not in my book. Especially not by people trained to the expert level in the preservation of evidence and the seriousness of perjury as a crime.

  21. Anonymous Coward

    The internet

    ... is the last place that these scum haven't invaded and corrupted. Bent police, bribed politicians and greedy corporations - they are trying to, but we need to keep them away from our internet.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It Happens

    This sort of thing happens in all sorts of places so I'm not surprised. What worries me, however, is that no action has been taken against McMurdie and Williams. Futhermore nobody seems to be interested in finding out how Williams obtained the questions in advance of the interview.

    How can anybody trust an officer in charge of fraud cases if she is willing to carry on like this. Even if perjury charges aren't brought she should be sacked. And no, not one of those "sackings" that come with full pension rights and good references.

    1. John G Imrie

      Expect Appeals

      Of every case she has been involved in since she took on her current job.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    A lesson in life here, people,...

    once you get high enough into an organisation, you rely on crony-ism, intimidation and "doing people over" in order to stay where you are and even to gain advancement. Once you reach so high, any failure of yours will reflect on those who annointed you, so they do their best to maintain their own clean slate by association.

    In theory the only thing these two did wrong was get caught. Cynical I know, but have seen this time and again in the military and public service, and been in this guys situation as well.

    AC cos you never know whos watching.

    1. Code Monkey

      Another lesson in life

      ACAB - or at least enough of them are that the few decent ones haven't got a fucking chance.

  24. Anonymous Coward


    "However, as with any tribunal, the Met will carefully review the findings to see if there is any wider learning for the future."

    Yes there is - that you can get away with blatant corruption if you are a powerful member of the police. A lesson for us all.

  25. Anonymous Coward
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    e-crime corruption

    Is it any surprise that an apparently corruptly led police e-crime unit seems to find it so difficult to get off its backside and do something about covert interception of internet communications, whether at News of the World, BT/Phorm, or TalkTalk? Or that the Home Office simply doesn't want to discuss such matters? Or that police stations around the country haven't a clue about RIPA legislation? Or that ISP CEO's can be so arrogant in wrongdoing and cavalier about privacy?

    Get some honest coppers at the helm of the ecrime unit, and lets see some action against the REAL cyber criminals - the well paid ones in the suits that leak our private data and intercept our internet communications time and time again, and keep gettng away with it.

    1. Keith T

      Why the Met went easy on News Corp

      You hit the nail on the head. If News Corp reports evidence tampering and perjury by senior Met officers, senior Met officers will carry out their duty and do a proper job of investigating News Corp for wiretapping, and interferring with computer systems and computer communications.

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re-open old cases?

    I would think that anyone who had been convicted in a trial where McMurdie's testimony was any significant portion of the prosecution's argument, would be looking to have their case re-opened?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      This should be standard practice if any police officer (or indeed expert witness) comits perjury.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    "He's bloody useless"

    "Last year he (Williams) became the first Met officer seconded to GCHQ's new Cyber Security Operations Centre."

    "He's bloody useless - he only got the job by cheating; fuck him off to GCHQ".

    1. Keith T

      If he'll betray the British public to get himself some money

      He's at risk betray the British public to the Chinese to get himself some money.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @keith T

        He might be inclined to betray for money, but I'm sure GCHQ are now aware of how he got the job, so will keep an eye on him. They may prefer him for the role because he is damaged goods and occupies the moral low-ground - therefore he will have to be compliant with their wishes rather than the other way around.

        1. Rob
          Black Helicopters


          Best to keep him employed at GCHQ as he is now ideal fishing bait should they want to find out who is fishing for what information and what bribes they are using.

  28. Sam Liddicott

    make a bonfire

    Anyone who is angry enough and wants to make a bonfire, consider joining:!/group.php?gid=117217831636706

    I hate facebook, and only joined it to register my name against police corruption.

  29. Anonymous Coward

    At least the Police treat everyone equally

    ...whether you’re one of the tiny minority of actual honest cops, or just a newspaper seller on his way home, they’ll still fuck you up and walk away laughing.

    1. Alan Firminger


      How fiercely and how often depends on pigmentation.

    2. Keith T

      But they don't

      They let News Corp off easy. They let each other off easy.

      I suspect (but do not know) they let prosecutors and judges off too.

      The go hard on outsiders, and easy on insiders.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Oh FFS

      "The tiny minority of actual honest cops"

      Please get over yourself - Every single copper I have ever met has been honest and upstanding and willing to put themselfs at risk to protect the public, that's not to say that there aren't a very few corrupt coppers but, guess what: In a massive company there will always be a tiny minority of corrupt or self serving employees. This does not mean that they are in anything like the majority.

      Oh, and remember: The Police don't decide who to prosecute, it's the Crown Prosecution Service, specifically to avoid corrupt prosecution or non-prosecution of crime.

      (Now bring on the downvotes from the groupthinkers.)

      1. william henderson 1


        "In a massive company there will always be a tiny minority of corrupt or self serving employees. This does not mean that they are in anything like the majority."

        true, but they are in charge.

      2. Christoph

        Re "In a massive company there will always be a tiny minority"

        This simply does not hold up. Only one cop killed Ian Tomlinson. But it was not one cop, or a tiny minority of them, that decided that no charges were to be brought. That must have been decided at a very high level and agreed among a large number of people.

        They knew perfectly well that there would be an outcry. They knew exactly what they were doing. And they went ahead anyway. They didn't give a damn for public opinion. They didn't give a damn for justice. They only cared about protecting one of their own.

        That is not a tiny minority. That is systemic

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Only one cop killed Ian Tomlinson.

          In the same way, only one or two cops injected the lead into de Menenzes.

          Commander Cressida Dick (Operation Trident) got her promotion to Deputy Assistant Commissioner (Special Operations) on the back of her successful performance as Gold Commander on 22 July 2005. She has subsequently been promoted to Assistant Commissioner in charge of Specialist Crime.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward


        > Oh, and remember: The Police don't decide who to prosecute, it's the Crown Prosecution

        > Service, specifically to avoid corrupt prosecution or non-prosecution of crime.

        No it's not. They decide who to prosecute based on what is presented to them by the police. The police have discretion in which cases are passed on to the CPS in England and Wales and the Crown Office in Scotland.

        And yes, most of them are complete scum.

  30. Daedalus X. Parrot

    Ms McMurder is taking part in a public discussion at the LSE tomorrow evening

    Ms McMurder is taking part in a public discussion at the LSE tomorrow evening:

    Entrance is free, please feel free to ask Ms McMurdie any awkward questions.

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This story does not surprise me.... I have seen it time and time again. The Met are an excellent force ,arent they ?. I remember a few years ago when a Police Officer complained to the Bar Council that he had heard a QC Barrister, now a High Court Judge, suggest to a Met Officer that he lie to the Court . Of course the Bar Council found against the Police Officer's complaint because he was only a 30 year serving officer with an exemplary record .

    No siree ,there is absolutely no doubt that the Met is a great poilice force. (ouch my arm is breaking)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      So, one reported incident several years ago, which was investigated and found to warrant any further action means that an entire Police force are corrupt.

      I know that the Police aren't perfect and I know we're not supposed to like them here, but really...

  32. John Smith 19 Gold badge

    From the LSE lecture description

    "In recent years Charlie has been the senior investigation officer on several high profile investigations including serial murder enquiries and international internet and money laundering investigations. Charlie is responsible for the Economic crime portfolio within the Metropolitan police which includes the Fraud squads, Cheque and Plastic Card Unit a"

    So if you're an alleged creditcard fraudster/identity thief or serial killer it looks like you can get a fairly sympathetic hearing off Ms McMurdie for a reasonable consideration.

    You can bet her behavior will *not* be forgotten by defense barristers and solicitors.

    Any one in London, Old Theatre, old LSE building WC2A 2AE Kick off (metaphorically) at 1830Hrs?

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What is more concerning.....

    is the fact they are spending TAXPAYERS money covering up for the lying police officers , not their own. WHY ??

  34. Keith T
    Black Helicopters

    What gullible juror will accept police testimony

    What gullible juror will accept police testimony while Charlie McMurdie and Kevin Williams are still on the force?

    Clearly the Met has proven it tolerates perjury by its employees.

  35. Anonymous Coward
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    What this really shows

    is that the cops are too ashamed to put top coppers in the dock and say they are shits as it' makes the judgement of those who put them there look flawed. If they got rid of these two for this then they'd have to get rid of all the others every time they did something wrong.

    Conclusion - they can do wtf they want!

    I know a few coppers and they ain't all wankers but I also know one who retired about 20 odd years ago from the sweeney and immediately managed to buy up a few high earning businesses, all staff paid cash, etc, and is now living it up down in the Costa Del Crime with all the other old London Gangsters. He was a cight runt too. You don't get the sort of money he had being an honest copper.

    At the same time, having nightmares cos someone searched your desk and escorted you out of the building? What would he have done if he'd come up against any proper ( non-Met ) villains? So he was gonna give it all to charity? Course you were son. And I promise not to arrive in your mouth.

    1. PsychicMonkey


      because you wouldn't give it to charity he wouldn't either? He had already shown he had standards by blowing the whistle in the first place.

      You are in no place to comment on how it affected him, the point is he has been screwed over, the "superiors" who did it have got away with it and he is left holding the bill.

      I suppose when coming up against real criminals at least he'd know from the start that they were trying to screw him.

      In what world is any of that fair?

  36. Andy Enderby 1

    the met......

    aka the biggest gang in town.

  37. Sam Therapy

    Q: What's the difference between a Police Officer and a criminal?

    A: One will do anything to ruin other people's lives by lying, killing, stealing, beating up the defenseless and the other is a criminal.


    A: A Police Officer wears a uniform.

    Mine's the one with the IPCC leaflet in the pocket. And a fat lot of good they are. The IPCC, that is.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      @ Sam therapy

      Im not sure what Global Warming has got to do with this, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change aint gonna be much use.

      then again they aint much use at predicting climate change either. Global warming my @rse, I had to scrape ice of my car this morning! meant the other other IPCC.. I wonder do they use a hockey stick graph as well? on my way...

  38. dervheid

    Is it just me

    or does she look like Paul Whitehouse!

  39. Al fazed

    @Robert Carnegie

    and importing class A drugs, with any luck !


  40. Anonymous Coward

    Corrupt Met Police officers honoured....

    Nothing to see here...move along...this is not the honest police force your looking for.....

  41. Anonymous Coward

    Police imune from perjury

    When I did jury service I saw plenty of cops lying under oath. They were proved to be liars ... but not surprisingly they simply walked away. The drug dealer was the most most honest witness to take the stand that day.

    I was stunned that perjury only seemed to apply when the police decided it did.

    Not only were the police liars but they were thick. Claiming a statement is yours only for the lawyer to point out in court that it had another officers name at the top of page 3 is just sloppy. School boy error. If you are going to copy someone else's statement at least change the name at the top of the pages.

  42. Anonymous Coward

    The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits

    "The award of £38,000 does not cover his legal bill"

    I can not see how they have come to this amount if it does not cover his legal bill. damages is just that, the cost of dmage to you because of the actions of others.

    is the reporter who was at the hearing sure they did not hear "£38,000 plus costs"?

    1. Chris Williams (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits

      Yes. See my earlier comment.

      1. Anonymous Coward

        @Chris W

        Yeah, I just read that... i broke my own rule of speaking out before reading the full facts...!!!

        i'll get my coat....

  43. andy 45
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    @ Oh FFS

    ""The tiny minority of actual honest cops"

    Please get over yourself - Every single copper I have ever met has been honest and upstanding and willing to put themselfs at risk to protect the public, that's not to say that there aren't a very few corrupt coppers but, guess what: In a massive company there will always be a tiny minority of corrupt or self serving employees. This does not mean that they are in anything like the majority."

    -- But you must admit they do seem to be pretty dishonest 'when it matters'. Such as the de Menezes case, The innocent guy killed at G20, the guy who was shot by police for carrying a wooden table leg in a bag etc etc -- not one copper brought to justice when it really mattered...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Three examples

      So you've got three examples over what, thirty years there? So yes, I admit it, all police are totally corrupt. </sarcasm>

      The fact that these cases stand out as much as they do is a tribute to the general professionalism with which the police operate.

      Oh, by the way where is Ali Desai now?

      1. Tequila Joe

        pissing on an electrified fence

        Some people learn from other's experiences; some have to piss on the electrified fence.

        What do you think other coppers will have learned from Shaw's experiences - report corruption or keep quiet?

        Will this lead to more or less corruption in the higher ranks - you know, the ones quickest to get on board with increasing politicisation of the police?

        IMO most people do support the police when they go after criminals (yay Gene Hunt), but some of us feel the police are largely moving away from the public's concerns and into an us-and-them behaviour where the police are in one corner and the criminals and public are shoved together in another corner.

        From this viewpoint all that has happened is that Shaw got shoved out of the police corner by the police because he stuck by the standards the public hopes the police have.

  44. Anonymous Coward

    "the cops are too ashamed to put top coppers in the dock "

    ""the cops are too ashamed to put top coppers in the dock ""

    This would seem to be generally true, but there do seem to be exceptions. One recent one that springs to mind was the Metropolitan Police commander who on 8 February 2010 at Southwark Crown Court was convicted on charges of perverting the course of justice and of misconduct in a public office, and jailed for four years.

    One could hope that it was the start of something big in terms of a clear-out of dishonesty and corruption in the Met, but it seems more likely there were special circumstances in this case.

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    .... I feel a "UK Coppers who lied in court" Facebook dedicated page coming on, complete with photographs and home addresses (If it's in the electoral register, it's public info).

    Seriously, never before in our history has the general public had the power to destroy figures of authority.

  46. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    "by the way where is Ali Desai now?"

    Indeed. And what, other than having been found guilty, makes Ali Dizaei different than the rest of the demonstrably bent coppers of various ranks in the Met? [Rowan Atkinson springs to mind, for some unpleasant reason]

  47. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sir Paul Stephenson, the nation's most senior police officer

    Please reflect reality. Sir Paul Stephenson is the most senior officer of the police force for the EU Region of London (England). He is therefore ex officio a full member of ACPO Ltd.

    As a member of ACPO Ltd, he is in fact accountable to Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde QPM who was elected as president by fellow members of ACPO in April 2009.

    The nation's most senior police officer is in fact the President of ACPO Ltd, a role that has by law the rank of Chief Constable.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      There's much to be said about ACPO

      There's much to be said about ACPO, and their antics.

      But I'm not sure what this poster was trying to say.

  48. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Just proves the old addage....

    in the police force, the scum rise to the top.

  49. John Smith 19 Gold badge

    Americans don't quite get the Metroplitan police

    It' nearest equivalent would be if there were no FBI but the police for Washington DC ran some specialist units which covered the whole US and were run not by a police authority or some other kind of local government but by the Secretary of the Justice dept.

    Put that way the British system does sound a bit screwed up.

  50. Andus McCoatover

    Jeezuz, Haitch, El Reg. ...

    Do you get your mods. from the jobcentre, or (Defunct) Woollies nowadays???

    WHF is wrong with this?? (Unless the Mod's also a Freemason. Or Brazilian, which might explain a bit....)

    Andus McCoatover

    Have another go, moderator. You'll get it. Given time.

    * Submitted at Sunday 24th October 2010 21:16 GMT

    * Rejected by moderator at Monday 25th October 2010 09:41 GMT

    @AC "Im not sure what the poster was trying to say."

    * Submitted at Saturday 23rd October 2010 16:38 GMT

    * Rejected by moderator at Saturday 23rd October 2010 20:11 GMT

    Sir Paul Stephenson would probably be a fully-paid-up member of the Secret Handshake Society, A.K.A th...(sounds of Glock bullets going into brain...)

    "Did you get the bastard?"

    "Yes, Chief"

    "OK, now fuc*k off and have your do'nut break. The other brigade'll clean up"

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Jeezuz, Haitch, El Reg. ...

      Please stop griping about every rejection, and stop being insulting, or I will zap you.

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