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Ongoing denial of service attacks spearheaded by Anonymous have knocked out the website of the Ministry of Sound, as well those of its payment provider and solicitors, Gallant Macmillian. Macmillan is attempting to identify and sue individuals who allegedly uploaded music from the Ministry of Sound's music catalogue. Slyckr …

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  1. Tim #3

    ACS

    Was the ACS site the one that released a file of Sky subsriber's names and their porn download habits? It's strange how that story keeps getting overlooked, anyone would think that the owners of Sky own other parts of our free press too.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Welcome

      Story Overlooked?

      There was a double page spread in the metro this morning. No mention of 4Chan thanks goodness just the behaviour of ACS:law and the quotes from various ISP (including Plusnet surprisingly) stating why IP address information was unreliable.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        so IP addresses are unreliable...

        hang on here... the lawyers claim that with an IP address they can pin every download they want on a user... but there's an ISP saying that's unreliable...

        am I missing something or is that news that the defense would be cheering to hear?

        1. David Beck

          What defence?

          These guys never expect you to let it reach trial, that's the whole point, it's not a C&D letter, it's extortion.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        Misreporting

        The Metro mentioned 'hackers' were to blame for the DDoS, which is irking me somewhat because running a freely available program to flood a website with data/requests is NOT hacking - you can read the article online, pages 8&9 - http://e-edition.metro.co.uk/2010/10/04/index.html?p=1

        Furthermore IP address information is definitely unreliable, someone I know had recently been using Sky broadband for almost 2 years after they stopped paying Sky for channels+adsl - how the fuck does Sky justify sending a bunch of names+addresses related to IP addresses to the clowns at ACS when they can't even keep track of their own users?!

        1. blackworx

          @ AC 15:08 re "Hacking"

          I suggest venting no further spleen over that battle. We lost it decades ago.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As much...

    ...as I support the free movement of ideas, distrust/dislike the MAFIAA and detest the artificial trade barrier created by content protection ("protection racket" more like - DVD regions etc) I can't see these current actions having the desired outcome.

    Why not simply defeat them at their own game? e.g.

    - Advocate not buying from any major labels

    - Or if one wants to buy from a major label, only buy second-hand or from the bargain bucket

    - Only go to the local independent/art cinema

    - Only attend live music at local/independent venues, not concerts/festivals run by the majors

    - Create your own content and share it freely (or under any other terms you wish)

    And so on.

    There great thing about these tactics? They are not illegal and there is *nothing* the MAFIAA can do to stop it. They are, of course, a bit harder to do and require more personal investment than running a few scripts or pontificating in a forum on the intertubes.

    I do hope Anonymous return to their previous good works (bothering Scientology) in the near future.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      bothering Scientology

      It's still going on. take a look at www.scientology-london.com , which Scientology lawyers have been unable to take down; they use a very resilient web host.

      Also, it should be pointed out some of the Chanology members are so-called Moralfags who oppose DDoS and even worry about 'Anonymous' image'. Which is strange, seeing as it started out on 4chan's /b/

      All Chanology (anti-Scientology) talk is strictly forbidden on the chans - for example 4chan and 711chan say so explicitly.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Terminator

    Why does everyone blame 4chan? It was obviously ebaums.

    Or more specifically, why 4chan when all the other chans are in on it as well, Anonymous isn't just 4chan any more.

    Posting anonymously of course

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    hmmm MOS have some of their CD's

    Won't be getting any more.

    Payback is a bitch. And my pay is staying in my pocket from now on

    MOS is $hite now anyway

    1. blackworx
      Coffee/keyboard

      "MOS is $hite now anyway"

      Now?? They've been stuck in the same rehash loop since about 1998. That was twelve years ago.

  5. cannon
    Megaphone

    innocent until proven guility

    imo this is great news as these Mafia extortion letters need to be stopped, and justice through the courts resumed, and not the Digital Economy Act that basically allows these huge media companies to bypass our legal system in favour of independent tribunals funded predominantly by the media corporations with their hand picked stooges sitting in judgement.

    what needs to be understood is that because i pay for my connection it may not be me downloading illegal material therefore i am not instantly guilty but these fecktard media industry stooges do not think the same way.

    But remember the corporations behind this huge sue the world drive ppl and boycott all their services & products.

    RIAA, CRIA, SOUNDEXCHANGE, BPI, PRS, IFPI, ASCAP, Ect:

    # Sony BMG

    # Warner Music Group

    # Universal Music Group

    # EMI

    MPAA, MPA, FACT, AFACT, Ect:

    # Sony Pictures

    # Warner Bros. (Time Warner)

    # Universal Studios (NBC Universal)

    # The Walt Disney Company

    # 20th Century Fox (News Corporation)

    # Paramount Pictures Viacom—(DreamWorks owners since February 2006)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sigh...

    Anonymous are rapidly turning into the Internet bullies that they claim to be protesting against.

    Download music without having paid for it if you must, but don't pretend that it's some sort of God given right.

    (nb: I realise that some of the legal companies have been rather obnoxious, but you don't protest against something by emulating it...)

    1. Danny 14 Silver badge
      Stop

      indeed

      but they same could be said pre emmeline pankhurst. Just because you cant see it, doesnt mean the model works and it takes activists to show people.

  7. Chris Hatfield
    Heart

    Gallant MacMillan went offline voluntarily

    I observed yesterday's events. It would appear that the law firm pulled their page, in anticipation of the civil disobedience of Anonymous.

    The 'target' was changed to Ministry of Sound. In the IRC chatroom, everyone was talking about 'charging their lasers' (not sure what that means) and pointing it at the MoS site.

    A good source to follow is http://twitter.com/savetpb, or just search for the hashtag #savetpb on Twitter. Anonymous appear to be also using Facebook, Digg, 711chan, 4chan and eBaums World.

    What is the commercial fallout for MoS being offline for a few hours? Probably not that much. I guess the intent is a symbolic protest & media attention.

    I'm torn - I very strongly disagree with DDoS but feel that this issue needs to be highlighted. I fear the Digital Economy Act and the false allegations it will bring. I mean - it's utterly unworkable.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      'Charging their lasers'?

      Probably something to do with this, which from what I hear has been used a lot recently...

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Low%20Orbit%20Ion%20Cannon

    2. Anomalous Cowturd
      Go

      Low Orbit Ion Cannon... What a great name!

      Was the program anonymous were using to DoS the targets. Once it is primed with a target, either manually added, or pushed out via IRC, you have a large button marked "IMMA CHARGIN MA LAZER". This is the "Fire" button.

      It basically turns your PC into a voluntary DoS Bot.

      Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!

    3. g e

      Down is down

      So as a result of Anonymous their site is still down, 'vountarily' or otherwise. Score.

  8. Gordon Pryra
    Stop

    Would these DOS attacks

    improve their Alexia rating?

    Guess not, but the MoS are taking the mickey a little bit. They could argue that anyone ripping any single song from their catalogue is guilty of taking the entire thing, considering they are all the same tunes with different names

  9. nichomach
    WTF?

    Isn't the phrase...

    ..."an interview with a member of Anonymous" an oxymoron?

  10. TerryAcky
    Happy

    LOL!

    I would usually try to be a little more responsible but, as is often said... Laugh? I nearly died!

    As for ACS:Law, I hope Andrew Crossley finds a nice big rock to climb under and stays there. I would however like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Crossley for a wonderfully hilarious read of his email over the weekend. It was the best laugh I have had for a long time!

    To me this whole issue is bigger than the filesharers and the greed driven industries persecuting them, often with flawed or incomplete evidence. Politicans and lawmakers need to wake up in a different bed to the music industry methinks. That said, perhaps politicians and lawmakers should just, well, wake up!

    God forbid the day the UK intruduces ridiculous statutory damages against filesharers, like our lawsuit-mad friends across the pond.

    For the record, I am not a filesharer (I was 10 years or so ago though).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      "I hope Andrew Crossley finds a nice big rock to climb under and stays there."

      He might have no choice in the matter if this report of his possible bankruptcy is true.

      From a leaked email:

      “Presently I feel defeated by it and feel I should shut up shop, which will cause me to go bankrupt for certain,”

      Source: http://torrentfreak.com/acslaw-boss-i-feel-defeated-and-could-go-bankrupt-101003/

      1. Tempest
        FAIL

        Has he possibly learnt the lesson - don't mess with InterNet guys

        The alleged excerpt from an e-mail suggests Crossley, whose firm's name suggests a larger entity than a sole practitioner, has had time to reflect on his recent history.

        Now he will actually have to work for income.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    Getting nasty and very messy

    With all this hoo-ha a lot of innocents will get caught. The firms sick and tired of being attacked will simply fire out more nasty letters and they will make even less attempt at assuring guilt before demanding money with menaces.

    Be prepared for more grannies and kiddies being asked to pay up for illegal porn downloads!

    1. John G Imrie

      Good

      "The firms sick and tired of being attacked will simply fire out more nasty letters and they will make even less attempt at assuring guilt before demanding money with menaces."

      The more innocent people are hit by this the better, because one of them *will* end up being the son or daughter of a Journalist / MP / Local councillor, at witch point the sticky stuff will hit the fan.

      1. The Brave Sir Robin
        Coat

        It's a Witch

        A witch ! Burn her ! Burn her now to save our souls !

  12. Bugs R Us

    Viva la revolution?

    Media industry, don't you get it yet? Stop producing physical media and switch to only producing rights managed downloads and/or streams. You'll never stop piracy so focus instead on tracing the content and then prosecute the root cause of content loss. You'll make more money.

    1. prathlev
      Happy

      @Bugs R Us

      Sure, let's have some "rights managed" content. But PLEASE make sure that it then actually works for the people who pay for it. Not everyone uses Microsoft Windows and Windows Media Player, and things like protected WMA can't work at all on my Fedora installation.

      The iTunes Plus ".m4a" files are fine, at least I can get a gstreamer plugin to play those. I don't know if they're patent encumbered though. The files themselves are identified as having been bought by me. I have no problem with that.

      1. Mike Flugennock
        Pirate

        While I may have said it before here...

        ...I think it bears restating: I think the reason that vinyl is seeing a resurgence is not just because of its "warm and organic" sound compared to CDs/mp3's, but also because *you can't encode DRM onto vinyl*. Heh, heh.

      2. Blain Hamon
        Badgers

        Plus means "we've removed the sucky bit!"

        iTunes Plus doesn't have DRM, save for the email being embedded in the file. That, and a higher bitrate, is the big selling point of them. While I'm rambling, here's the full breakdown:

        iTunes music, non plus: DRMed, due to RIAA demands.

        iTunes music plus: non DRMed.

        iTunes video: DRMed, probably because Jobs has a second hat labeled Disney.

        iTunes iPhone apps: DRMed (called code signing), probably to make sure devs pay that $99 yearly fee.*

        * There are valid reasons for codesigning, and it's less of a royal pain than it used to be, but still, yeesh, such a headache when provisioning profiles expire.

  13. Mr D

    Can I get a rewind????

    Guess not....

  14. jake Silver badge

    So, basically, these "anonymous" twats ...

    ... seem to think that they can promote internet freedom by censoring what they don't want to see on the internet?

    Isn't this roughly the same as fucking to promote virginity?

    Teenagers. Go figure. Don't give 'em any more press, they aren't worth the column inches.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Reply to post: So, basically, these "anonymous" twats ...

      "Isn't this roughly the same as fucking to promote virginity?"

      Well, if you know a better way to make more virgins, I'm all ears.

      "So, basically, these "anonymous" twats seem to think that they can promote internet freedom by censoring what they don't want to see on the internet?"

      The method can be used to display the hypocrasy inherent in other people actions...sometimes. Most people seem to have a whole lot of trouble noticing the hypocrasy in their actions, even when pointed out to them.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      I think you are missing the point......

      all these news stories 'we' the collective CommentardS rave about never make it into the mainstream news.

      The DEB bill was passed in wash up and hardly raised a blip on the national news.

      ACS: LAW data leak hasn't been on the national news that I have seen and I have been watching for it.

      Threatening to take 10,000's interTubers users to court with little of no evidence isn't on the news just some low level consumer programme.

      The removal of innocent until proven guilty in Internet copyright issues

      So clearly the mainstream news where Government Policy can be influenced is turning a blind eye to everything happening on the Hintertubes. So what other option is there? Allow the development of the web to be directed by people whose only motivation is to make money without actually creating anything or contributing anything to the technology.

      I think not. The internet was build using open/free technology and was nurtured using a collective non profit ethos. This is just a reminder. Intel and others do not drive the internet. It is driven by people young and old that are just out for a laugh.

      I haven't taken part in any of this mischief but I do think some of these companies have brought it on themselves.

    3. dave 54

      "f*cking for virginity"

      As has been said in the past - do you know of a better way to create more virgins?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Troll

      Re: So, basically, these "anonymous" twats ...

      Now children, that there is what you call a straw man argument incorporating a false premise. These things make the people who say them feel biiig and clever for a few minutes. Be careful and don't fall into the trap of arguing with them though, because they will almost certainly try to bite your head off.

      1. Danny 14 Silver badge
        WTF?

        eh?

        wut?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Boffin

          Re: eh? [translation for the hard of thinking]

          == jake be trollin'

  15. JaitcH
    FAIL

    These solicitors/lawyers are slow learners

    These solicitors/lawyers really are deserving of the indignities they suffer for if their intelligence matched the usurious fees they gather for using legal assistants to harass InterNet users based upon the flimsiest of 'evidence' they would use better judgement.

    It is really amusing to see how these self-praising societal leaches react to receiving modern retribution from friends of these lawyers victims.

    P.S. I am sill waiting for my 'letter'.

    1. Tim #3

      watch out

      they've already taken away your punctuation, luckily you still have your freedom.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    Ministry of Sound?

    They have copyrightable material?? I thought they were just a bunch of *spit* DJs, who leech of other peoples' creative works anyway.

    1. IR

      MoM

      There is a good reason why they aren't called Ministry of Music, they don't make any.

  17. Danny 5
    Happy

    funny

    always good to see what happens when people with no technical knowledge whatsoever pick a fight with nerds on the 'net.

    you may stop an individual, but you cannot stop them all :D

  18. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Scamsters

    "These solicitors/lawyers really are deserving of the indignities they suffer for if their intelligence matched the usurious fees they gather for using legal assistants to harass InterNet users based upon the flimsiest of 'evidence' they would use better judgement."

    Well, it's a scam at the end of the day.

    All they are doing is obtaining addresses and sending threatening junkmail for spurious amounts which have no relation to actual loss incurred.

    Ask yourself why nobody has been taken to court. Much cheaper to send out letters than take 5000 people to small claims. The outlay for that would be £150,000!

    Not exactly worthwhile when you'd just end up with a few judgements for the cost of a few DVD pornos.

    I love the way the media have skimmed over the legalities of this scheme. It's a scam, just like private parking companies who pay £2.50 to the DVLA to send threatening junkmail to car owners.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    Are anonymous really up to this?

    Their website makes no mention of it .... where's the proof that it was Anonymous' doings in the first place?

  20. exexpat
    Thumb Up

    Go Anonymous Go

    I'm behind them 100% - they are fighting fire with fire - I wish I had the knowledge to fight these truly odious targets - but I'm thankful that these guys do. Go Anonymous Go

  21. heyrick Silver badge

    the Ministry of Sound's music catalogue

    There's a word very much out of place in that sentence. Hint - it's the fifth word.

  22. Alan Gregory 1

    acs law

    Any chance el reg can get a comment from crossley?

    Find out how things compare to his trains punctuality or coffee queue.

    1. Anomalous Cowturd
      Happy

      @ Alan re: Andrew Crossley

      Judging by some of the prank calls he has been receiving recently, some even purporting to be from this illustrious rag, I very much doubt he will be talking to any-one about all this.

      Except the ICO and the SRA maybe.

  23. JimC

    Own Goal...

    What a wonderfully effective way to make a really strong connection between file sharing and criminal behaviour...

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Destination Crashabria

    Sounds like MoS got DDoSed because of that other law firm pointing their DNS records to them. Yeeowch!

    An alternative theory: the MoS site went offline because everyone was trying to download the Destination Calabria video!

  25. mikew
    Happy

    Parody video

    There's a great "Hitler" parody video of the whole ACS:Law mess here:

    http://vimeo.com/15463930

    1. bugalugs
      Happy

      parody of a tite

      @mikew : I was a little uncertain at first, having seen

      the movie in full, but the subbing was very very funny

      indeed. thankyou !

      As for Crossley and ilk whining when their

      bullying is challenged, the words " big somethings blouses "

      spring to mind.

  26. TerryAcky

    Trending BT

    Well, the likely demise of ACS:Law has hastened Cramer Pelmont Solicitors to position themselves for a little extra business. They have appearently even hired one Terence Tsang of ACS:Law/Davenport Lyons infamy. Also, Gallant Macmillan are on the march against PlusNet (to be heard January now I believe, due to the weekends hilarity).

    Over on the BBC I read with interest comments from a (BT owned) PlusNet rep: "The incident involving the ACS:Law data leak has further damaged people's confidence in the current process," Er, confidence? What confidence? You mean like the confidence in the Digital Economy Act introduced by the grubby mits of that oft' unelected weasel Mandelson? Confidence? That would be none then :o)

    They went on to say "We have not simply consented to these orders in the past, we have asked for stricter terms as public concern has risen. The data leak with ACS:Law prompted us to take further action today." Personally I read that as meaning 'Just like with Phorm, we do what the feck we want, when we want and how we want. We only give a toss when we get caught acting irresponsibly or possibly illegaly. Only then do we pretend to care.'

    There's a long-term trend developing here, especially at BT.

    As I said in a post above, this whole issue is about much more than just 'illegal' P2P filesharing and the entertainment industries.

  27. illiad

    RE: "I think you are missing the point"

    no, the fact is, the news is only interested in the big scandals and stories...

    most news tv was so busy reporting the ryder cup, another big political conference, Red Ed, etc...

    That they totally missed that Tony Curtis had died!!!

    As for computers - they can only just grasp what 'an internet' is...

    <posh voice> " er, is it some kids messing about?? naughty boys, go and play, and dont be late for dinner... "

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    Anonymous were only retaliating

    I noticed a minority of the comments are condoning the actions of Anonymous, but you should get the facts straight. Anonymous retaliated after the MPAA hired Aiplex to DDoS torrent sites including The Pirate Bay.

    A legal company paid another legal company to carry out an illegal act in attempt to censor and take down sites that they disagree with. All Anonymous done was fight fire with fire, and they did this successfully.

    I feel sorry for the people that have had their data leaked, however most people (from what I've read elsewhere) have solely focused on the internal emails going back and forth which highlights that (a) ACS Law know they are on shaky ground on getting convictions in court due to lack of evidence which (b) shows this to be a scaremongering exploitation scam to make Andrew rich.

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