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Since Freeview HD hit the terrestrial airwaves late last year a decent selection of standalone receivers and TVs has gradually become available but only now are retailers starting to shift the first DVRs. The not so snappily-named RTI90-320 T2 HD is the first Freeview HD product from Sagemcom, formerly part of French …

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  1. Christian Berger

    So... not even nfs shares?

    So you cannot even access the hardisk via nfs or smb or something? Why did they bother to have an ethernet socket at all?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Big Brother

      @Christian

      Because when you are arrested by the thought police for considering copyright theft, you can be rest assured, that from you cell, their pay per view Project Canvas content will be streamed to you at your expense thrice over.(TV Licence/ Bandwidth and Pay per view).

      Win Win ! Ka-ching !

      Welcome to the BBC Firewall and Information Ministry.

      1. Christian Berger

        @anonymous coward

        That's incredibly dumb. Don't they know there are already TV->Bittorrent gateways out there?

    2. Nigel Whitfield.

      Freeview HD

      The Ethernet port is part of the spec for Freeview HD equipment, just as it is for Freesat HD equipment.

      That allows all kit to take advantage of the MHEG return path that's also included in the specs, which is how the iPlayer, for example, is delivered as a 'red button' application on Freesat. It could also be delivered the same way on Freeview HD in future, too.

      It would be possible for other broadcasters such as ITV or Five to do something similar, or indeed for someone to buy a small amount of space for a Freeview data channel, and operate some sort of pay per view option via that.

      This doesn't necessarily mean that Canvas will be available by these boxes, however - that's a more detailed spec than the MHEG return path. However, essentially all Freeview HD boxes are IPTV capable to some degree. Some manufacturers (like i-Can and Humax) are taking advantage of that already, by adding extra software to make use of the Ethernet connection. Others are just sticking it in there because they have to, and someone might implement an MHEG app at some stage.

  2. Jedit Silver badge
    Go

    A use for merging recordings

    Two that I can think of offhand. One is for when a program switches between channels or breaks for the news in midstream (as often happens with movies on ITV). The other is to merge the parts of a two-part story or miniseries.

  3. TkH11

    Sagem

    If this box is anything like their non HD boxes, I'd stay away from it: too many software bugs, crap user interface, crap remote control. I just bought a Sagem and I'm regretting it.

    My last was a Humax, and whilst it had some serious bugs, (and wiping out your entire recorded programmes list 3 times IS serious), the user interface was far, far superior, easier, quicker to use.

    One day these consumer electronics manufacturers will realise that bugs aren't acceptable, but that won't be today, this year or next unfortunately.

    1. Steve X

      French user interfaces

      You only have to go to a French website, voyages-sncf.com being a prime example, to realise that French consumer UI design is every bit as idiosyncratic as their car UI design used to be. Maybe it works for the French, but for anyone else it's just horrible.

  4. David Shaw
    Grenade

    Many people bought a Sagem French DTV/SAT system

    activated the smart card - for which purpose you needed the Sagem TNT. Then 30 seconds later 'threw-away' the Sagem terminal , placing the now valid card in a generic Viaccess3 RX.

    Sagem were *that-bad*, that their equipment had a life measured in minutes! The last one I tried to repair had an (unrepairable) 1.8/3.3/5/7/12&28volts psu inside . At least this HD PVR has an external 12V power block!

    For personal viewing enjoytainment I voted Humax Freesat HD PVR as I found Freeview had quite poor bitrates from the overstuffed muxes, and that's before the HD started

  5. Jonathan White

    Another option..

    How about a review of the Philips HDT8520? Saw one in a shop over the weekend and, while I have no idea if it's any good, the design inspired significant gadget lust.

  6. Stuart Halliday
    Unhappy

    Time to wake up.

    When will set-top manufacturers wake up and realise that we want a UI that is fast and bug free.

    Today it is getting very hard to find a shop willing to allow a customer to test the electronic gadgets we use in the home. So they can get away with this shoddy practise.

    I'm tried of using systems that don't work or require me to slow down because they've decided to save some pennies by using a low cost, under-powered CPU in the box.

    (That's you Virgin Media)

  7. Alan Edwards
    WTF?

    £50??

    They want £50 to upgrade from a 320Gb to a 500Gb drive?? You can buy a 500Gb drive outright for not much more than that.

    I suppose there's DRM of some sort on there to stop you upgrading the drive yourself.

    Alan.

  8. welchers
    Thumb Up

    its not bad...

    I have one of these and while it has a few teething problems its actually not bad.

    Ive had several Sagem boxes in the past and this improves on them. Buying into the hype I bought my dad a Humax pvr9200t and I dont think thats better that my previous standard def Sagem - you have to wait for it to populate the guide each time you turn it on, and the remote is awful.

    This rt190 has an excellent remote (feels nice too), the box looks good enough sat under the tv (despite the rubbish display), and its virtually silent. The picture is great, recordings look identical to the originals. The guide is ready when you turn it on, and doesn't show ads.

    Sagem also provide several updates - my last box must have had around 4 - and by the end it was completely stable, never crashed, and all the known issues were fixed. You might think it should've been like that in the first place, but for some reason PVRs just aren't.... Humax took forever to release updates, and suffered from problem where your recordings would get wiped! Somehow though, Humax still seem to have a positive reputation.

    The problems with the rt-190 are:

    - The guide is painfully slow to navigate... it seems to load the progam info before allowing you to move on. Perhaps they need to learn about using a separate thread for the UI :) or at least not fetch the info until you have not moved for a while.

    - The sound drops occasionally after pausing. You have to change channel or stop/play the recording to get it back.

    - There a large volume difference between the standard and hi-def channels

    - It occasionally wont turn on when its recording a program... the only way is a hard reset which obviously causes a gap in the recording. This has happened to me twice now.

    - other minor things like no page indicator on the recording list, and "there is a notification on this program, do you want to record it" messages on hi-def programs... (the notification is that the sd program is broadcast in hd... )

    They might seem like major issues but they will all get fixed in an update soon, so I'm happy enough. The remote, silence and looks of the box are all great, and after the updates I would highly recommend it.

    Other hd pvr's are on the horizon though - the £330 box from Humax, and the potential one to rule them all, the £299 3view box.... both out soon.

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