Science vs hocus pocus
"It cannot be reduced to a yes or no or an on or off."
In science, it can. In astrology, numerology and g-spot-ology, it cannot.
French mock British G-spot probe
French experts have roundly condemned British research which concluded that the legendary G-spot is probably a myth. The King's College London team declared that the Gräfenberg Spot "may be a figment of women's imagination, encouraged by magazines and sex therapists" and that it was "rather irresponsible to claim the existence …
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:07 GMT wheel
Agreed
Perhaps this shows they do Science differently in France than in uptight Anglo-Saxon countries. After all, why choose to seek objective evidence if you can ask people if they believe in it?
Hey - perhaps if we asked enough people, we could Scientifically prove the existence of Bigfoot, God and Lunar Elvis.
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Friday 29th January 2010 11:31 GMT Sarah Davis
Quite right too
how stupid and inept the british researchers are! I bet they were all men whose research was just asking other men down the pub if any of them had ever found a womans g-spot. The answer came back 'No' so they had another pint and then went back to the office to write up their conclusions.... durrrrrrr, dah, ummmmm, durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
They couldn't find "something brightly coloured and obvious" in a "well lit and sign-posted environment"
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:01 GMT DavCrav
@Sarah Davis: STFU
I guess you claim to have a G-spot. When you survey 1800 other women and collate your findings, then you can come back and argue.
Everybody who disagrees with a scientific conclusion with the word 'subjective' or 'probably' in it because it isn't true for them needs to remember that the plural of the word 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
Notice that they are not claiming that it doesn't exist. They are claiming that its existence is 'subjective'. It appears to have no basis in genetics, so it is either something environmentally based or something psychosomatic.
Of course, I might have just fed the troll..........
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Friday 29th January 2010 16:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
unscientific study yields unscientific results" shocker!!
I remember reading about this "study" when it first was published last year, and from what I could understand it consisted of ASKING each of the 1800 women if they had G-Spot. No actual 'probing' was involved.
So the frenchie is right, it just proves brit women don't know where to find their g-spot or never looked hard enough.
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:04 GMT Alex 0.1
Reading's hard
Yep, damn those male british scientists coming to stupid conclusions because theyre so dumb.
The only minor little place that complaint falls down at is that the lead scientist, Andrea Burri, is neither male or british. She's a female genetic epidemiologist from switzerland. What does that say to your and these french muppets' conclusions?
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Friday 29th January 2010 12:59 GMT 1of10
G-spot nutters
The all that matter for woman isn't existence of G-spot or not, but the feel of being complemented at all levels beside just sex. In sex terms, if she can achieve one or multiple climaxes then even better. But for that isn't even necessary to find where their G-spot is...
Too much focus on G-spot like if it was something like a mechanical ignition engine...
I wonder if all these scientists are looking in the wrong place LOL
Soon the scientists will find out that the disapearence of G-spots is related to man made climate change. :)
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:01 GMT Neil Shepherd
Just Tell The Truth
The researchers at King's College just need to own up and admit that they're crap in bed and haven't got the faintest idea what they're doing. It's definitely there and if you know what you're looking for and how to use it...boom!
Mine's the one with the ecstatically happy woman who'll do pretty much anything afterwards
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:04 GMT Al fazed
Hand Face
Well blow me down, the English cannot find the noses on their faces !
If I were not English this would seem like an insult to the English.
Being English I have ample clear evidence that this is true right across our culture, politics, law, marketing, fiscal policies.
In this case, the results showed that the identical twins were, "no more likely to share a G-spot than non-identical twins".
Which says more about our superstious beliefs surrounding twins, than it proves or otherwise anything about a womans biological system.
For F*cks sake, the avarage British man has no clues as to the workings a woman's mind. So deliberating about the G spot might be better conducted and have more success if the research was done in bed, rather than in a lab.
By the way, I do know where the G spot is and if any of our female readers would like a hand to find theirs, get in touch do. This PC does not have one, definitely ! But then neither does a MAC and Linux also definitely not, up to now anyways.
ALF
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
Maybe it is just ...
... the British scientists that are doing it wrong?
If I touch this bit here is it good to go?
Oh? The test tubes and beakers are in the way.
<aside to lab assistant> can you move the camera and sensors over there please? Ta.
Oops! Watch you don't twist or pull on any of the wires.
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:05 GMT Dazed and Confused
probed?
The problem with the research is that they didn't probe anything. They didn't go looking for anything. They asked a group of identical and non identical twin sisters and then tried to find a difference between the two.
Now on that methodology if 100% of there sample had said yes I have a G spot the answer coming out of the research would have still said G-Spots don't exist.
Now in my limited experience of twin sisters I'd say they are usually pretty damn close. I would have thought that if one sis found her G-Spot then within minutes of coming down again she'd be on the phone to sis giving full details.
As far as I know they didn't include a control sample of randomly chosen pairs of women to see whether the incidence of G-spot discovery in twins is the same as the incident in non twins.
It would also have been nice if they'd included a figure as to the simple percentage of people in their sample groups who claimed to have one.
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Friday 29th January 2010 14:10 GMT Liam Johnson
control sample of randomly chosen pairs of women
No wonder you are dazed and confused. The non-idetical twins _are_ the control group.
>>Now in my limited experience of twin sisters
Yes, exactly the point. Which is why you can compare identical and non-identical twins and make some sort of claims about their genetic make up.
>>randomly chosen pairs of women
Who are not straight on the phone to sis? How would that help?
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Friday 29th January 2010 13:57 GMT Anonymous Coward
The French do have a point
There - never thought I'd say it but I just did, the French are right. That said over the years I find myself agreeing with the French more and more and more, what's going on there. Do the French in general have more common sence than us British; or are British polaticians just a bunch of wuse's.
That said I can thing of some university types who though how do we meet women, enjoyed it and set the results in a way that they could then revisit that whole area and do some new research later on. Seriously - had they found it, they wouldn't be allowed to go looking for it again now would they as that would be a waste of money as we would know all about it. Think about it. How much money is spent trying to find Atlantis, yet if they found it, then there would be no money available for more adventures as it would already be known.
British - cunning sexual genius's or just lost compared to the French. Alas given exams students get thesedays I'll sadly lean towards the French being the winners and I'm British.
Using real name as anon sounds too french too me :D.
Penguin as its closest I can see to a fish.
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Friday 29th January 2010 14:01 GMT Richard 120
"It cannot be reduced to a yes or no or an on or off."
I thought that was the point of it though, that a G-spot was a location that when stimulated results in intense sexual pleasure (or orgasm)?
If it moves around or can't be found then by definition it does not exist (for the individual concerned)
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Friday 29th January 2010 14:10 GMT The Vociferous Time Waster
Of course there's a G-Spot
I've found it and my fantastically attractive wife does all sorts of sordid things to me to thank me for my fabulous prowess in the bedroom.
She's quite clearly not faking it so that I feel better about myself. I'm not lying either, I'm a sex stallion rather than an IT worker who smells slightly of cabbage and has only had sex with one woman. I mean, it's not as if I live in a culture of bragging that forces me to claim to be fantastic in bed and makes me think that being just 'OK' makes me a total failure.
And all my partner's previous sexual partners pale into insignificance compared to me. She told me that so it must be true, she'd tell me if I was the 17th best she'd ever had wouldn't she?
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Friday 29th January 2010 14:34 GMT Sgt_Oddball
Maybe an international effort?
Instead of the French mocking us for a study which hasn't come up with a definitive answer why don't they have a crack at themselves?
On that note get as many countries as possible involved, maybe even using testers from one country to subjects from another?
It should also be questioned as to if the subject believes in the G-spot to start with and if they believe in one afterwards, no?
And what of 'that time of month'? Could the G-spot be a physiological effect to the body's own natural rhythm?
On a final note, after years of meticulous research, my girl friend from the other side of the world believes I've found hers.. takes awhile to get the knack right but once you got it......
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Friday 29th January 2010 15:12 GMT Quiller-Nine
Dear King's College...
I am very disappointed at discovering that your findings regarding the "G-Spot" study were erroneous. You seem to have frittered away your resources doing "research" and "testing" and forgot to consider the all-important "Mimoun Insistence Factor".
I understand that my colleagues dealing with oncology research are now looking to hire Dr Mimoun to insist that an over-the-counter general cancer cure will be viable within the next 3 months and thus make it reality.
Yours sincerely
BC
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Saturday 30th January 2010 00:46 GMT Anonymous Coward
Cold sores
Because cold sores and warts come and go, they're not a permanent part of the anatomy!
Sexual organs are, the have nerve fibres which don't grow and die.
The G spot would have to be a bundle of nerve fibres which would respond to pressure stimulation, but when they disect that tissues in that area, they don't find any difference in the alleged G spot area than the surrounding tissues. The never fibres aren't found.
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Friday 29th January 2010 15:59 GMT IR
Proved not much
So they haven't actually proved what they say they did. If there was a genetic component then you would get exactly the same results if it was a dominant gene or on the X chromosome. All they have really done is rule out a more generic genetic component.
That is assuming that the data gathering is a reliable method (asking people is pretty dodgy). Must be a few gynocologists who could ask "while I'm down here..." at the end of each appointment to get data on a large number of women. If anyone knows their way around down there it is them.
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Friday 29th January 2010 16:01 GMT Ru
Poor methodology.
It generally isn't found without some concerted effort to find it. Not everyone does this, for a whole variety of reasons. This seems to be a study more about sexuality rather than physiology... the fact that (as Dr Whipple pointer out) they ignored lesbians and bisexual women in their study just lends more credence to the idea that the study was poorly thought out.
Though one conclusion, "Women may argue that having a G-spot is due to diet or exercise, but in fact it is virtually impossible to find real traits" is probably quite reasonable, the rest is very dubious indeed.
The correct method would probably involve twins with a common sexual partner... or perhaps triplets, with one sister acting as a 'control group'. I shall be contacting my local university forthwith.
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Friday 29th January 2010 18:00 GMT regadpellagru
Research methodology
I have to say the King's College London team's research methodology is appaling to a very high degree.
Research on sexuality using polling on women *on their own perception of their body* is probably some kind of scoop !
It's just like asking "do you have big breasts" and concluding all women have small breasts !
I suggest them to draw conslusions on what to eat tonight by a large study on flies and the ratio of them having apetite for excrements.
Like they say "Eat sh**, billions of flies can't be wrong".
Like I say "Whatever a given point, there's always a statistical study to prove it"
IT angle ? Many IT studies are conducted in the same way ...
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Saturday 30th January 2010 00:32 GMT Ed Deckard
Dr. Odile Buisson
"I don't want to stigmatise at all but I think the Protestant, liberal, Anglo-Saxon character means you are very pragmatic. There has to be a cause for everything, a gene for everything. It's totalitarian."
To think of the time and energy I've spent online arguing with francophobes and then the good doctor goes and says something like this.
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Saturday 30th January 2010 00:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
It's Édith Cresson all over again...
"I don't want to stigmatise at all but I think the Protestant, liberal, Anglo-Saxon character means you are very pragmatic. There has to be a cause for everything, a gene for everything. It's totalitarian."
To which the crowd of black-polo-neck-wearing, heavy-smoking aspiring artists and philosophers, crowded in the dark cellar bar in a Paris back street, nodded in sage agreement.
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Monday 1st February 2010 10:06 GMT Craig 28
Perhaps they should
Also investigate whether identical and non-identical twins in regard to their culinary tastes, sexual preference and sexual tastes in terms of acts.
Some people, male and female alike, enjoy anal sex and others don't. Why isn't it possible that some women enjoy G-spot stimulation to various degrees while others do not? In the anal example it is pure personal preference, the structures involved are very much alike. Similarly it is possible there is a structure to represent the G-spot but that some women do not gain pleasure from its stimulation. My arm is very much alike to yours but yours may not be ticklish while mine is.
Biology is rarely so cut and dried.
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Monday 1st February 2010 11:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
a few things
"The gloomy conclusion to be drawn from this unholy spat is that we uptight Protestants will have to continue to make do with fish and chips, lager and second-rate sex while the French enjoy haute cuisine, fine wines and earth-shattering climaxes."
Since I like lager and don't like wine, I'm quite happy.
Fish and chips also tends to be more satisfying than a sliver of something on a bed of something else - all the size of a 50p peice but 100 times more expensive.
and you missed something out - the French also enjoy tiny willies and garlic breath. (Both my French girlfriends told me that)
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