..a Harry Potter cross over!
Paramount has announced that the sequel to JJ Abrams' successful reboot of the Star Trek franchise will hit cinemas on 29 June 2012. Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman will return to script the as-yet-untitled follow-up, while Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof once again shares production credits with Abrams. Abrams has not yet …
The Federation in the reboot got its arse handed to it by ONE, count it, ONE Romulan ship from the 24th century and would have done the same to Kirk and the Enterprise had it not been for Nero halting the attack.
And we know from the ST:TNG and "First Contact" that a single Borg cube can turn a fleet of dozens of 24th century Federation ships into scrap without much effort.
Unless they really water down the Borg to a bunch of wimps there is no way they could write a script that I could believe the original Enterprise, crew and Federation could stand up to the Borg. And if they do that the backlash from fans is going to be huge.
After a 40 year timeline of (generally) self consistent stories, some lazy/greedy production team have taken a cultural icon and butchered it for a quick buck. Thanks to this "reboot" of the franchise, entire story arcs have been wiped from the record. All the work that went into the original series, TNG, DS9 and Voyageris has effectively been torn up. I wonder how long before it gets rebooted again?
A bit of Temporal Prime Directive should have be applied.
The first film wasn't /too/ bad, assuming you ignored major plot holes, assumed everyone was a moron and mentally overdubbed Simon Pegg's accent and acting with something more scottish (so, almost the same criteria to enjoy Star Wars III, then. 1-2 are beyond redemption).
Something just as fun, but with smaller plot holes next time I hope. At least Spider-Man 4 has died temporarily, and here's hoping they don't bother with X-Men 4 after the pathetic third outing.
So the Borg "...are the most likely candidate to be the antagonists for this film". Well the attitude so thinly veiled by that comment just goes to show what massive respect they have for their source material.
Borg were explicitly stated to have had no prior contact with mankind when they first appeared in The Next Generation. In First Contact, they chucked in a time paradox plot whereby a Borg ship went back in time to the 21st century (but were followed by the Enterprise, thus sparing wider reality from pre-historic Borg incursion).
So more time-travel-to-no-effect-thank-God paradox, or direct contradiction of the original source material. This is going to be so incredibly trite. In fact, whereas the hype wasn't enough to make me see the first one, I may well watch this just to see how they plot it. Add to this bloody Shatner and we're sorted for cringe-worthy Trekeoptypes. Might as well get Data to turn up and somehow develop emotions for the first time, for the hell of it.
You see, the reboots happens after the 'Enterpise' series in which they meet the borg. And the federation now has the technology from the future brought by Spock prime some why not?
Except that the borg have already been done to death but then thay might be able to do something nice with them
Ok, they blew away every ST movie and episode by screwing up the timelines in the last movie so it's now possible for the Borg to get a run at Kirk. And yes, the Borg were probably the best set of nasties in the ST universe.
BUT, I'm bored/sick/filled with loathing of seeing the damn BORG and all the bizarre tweaks they keep pulling in scripting. Pretty soon we'll see little Borg dogs and cats running around the cubes.
Can't someone come up with a decent Federation vs. Klingon script? They were supposedly the biggest ongoing problem in the original ST, but they've always gotten the third-rate villian treatment.
"...klingon...They were supposedly the biggest ongoing problem in the original ST"
If you listen to the dialogue carefully in ST2008 the klingons had an entire fleet wiped out by the future Romulans at Rura Penthe. They're probably not up to strength yet enough to get a whole sequel to themselves :)
They could declare marshal law, but in the guise of anti terrorist laws, Kirk, Picard or anyone of the captains (but not Janeway) are now freedom fighters, destroying cameras, draining moats and swinging from the chandeliers of the oppressive rogue federation,
It could have some swashbuckling and hooded man type references as well. And it could all be solved by the use of Tech, Tech and Tech coupled with Tech.
Wesley Crusher could be the mastermind behind it all, in a sort of Satanic temptation way, and we could see all the politicians succumb to Wesley's tests of judgement.
with Section 31 in DS9. Not to mention that the original series had a pretty distrustful attitude to government in general in that just about every second episode seemed to be a utopian libertarian parable.
In general I think the principle should be: "Star Trek has already done that". Which pretty much is the problem.
(Oh, and there was Insurrection but I try to forget that.)
The Star Trek graphic novel prequel establishes that Nero's ship was augmented with Borg technology that the Romulans had been tinkering with (which is why it look absolutely nothing like any other Romulan starship to date). Freed from Romulan control after the ship was destroyed, any surviving Borg technology might have sent a signal to the Collective.
I read they're going to change some aspects of the leading characters in this parallel universe version, including making Kirk and Spock lovers. Apparently they want the next film to milk the pink pound.
Star Trek was always supposed to be a Western in space, so I suppose they're just making it more of a Brokeback Mountain type of film.
I suppose having the Borg in it fits in with this roadmap. They're a bit camp really aren't they? Just like the Daleks who are, let's face it, a bunch of screamers with phallic appendages aplenty. "Exterminate! Exterminate! Oooh, get heeer!!!"
Bring back a parallel Khan, played by Diego Maradona. He's a world icon who, combined with the Star Trek global brand, will probably make this a bigger film than Avatar.
I will say this only once. Here is an abridged version of events, with times courtesy of a quick search of various Nerdopedias:
1. The Borg didn't find the Federation until "I, Borg" in TNG in sci-fi year 2368
2. ST universe had a "reboot" whereupon Kirk's life changed, circa nerd-year 2233
3. There is a gap of 135 years between the "reboot" and the first encounter with the Borg
4. The original encounter was ahead of schedule due to Q's interference
5. Nothing caused by the "reboot" Federation would allow them to expand so quickly
6. Therefore, the encounter still would not happen for hundreds of years
7. The only exception being a deus ex machina type interference from a Q-like power
As is now hopefully abundantly clear to you, even an alternate "reboot" timeline cannot reconcile the Borg's known movements (indepdenent of any developmental track of Mr. J. T. Kirk and the Federation of the time) with an encounter as early in Trek history as this. Pathetic time-travel of omnipotent-powers tricks will simply earn as much hatred as they did the first time round.
If you had, you would've learnt that the Brg's first encounter with the Federation was in "Q Who", not "I, Borg" which came about 5 years later (And they had the splendind "Best of Both Worlds" before that!!) It was the first episode title with "Borg" in it, but that's about it. (Although cronologically, the first encounter with the Borg was in the Enterprise episode "Regeneration", although some contrite scripting meant they were never referred to as such, and the Voyager episode "Dark Frontier" points out that there were rumours of the Borg before even Q Who)
Hated the first Star Trek A and from the sounds of it, I'll hate this one as well. It might become the only piece of Star Trek that I never see...
The best modern Trek movie so far was First Contact imho. The Borg breathed new life into both Next Gen and Voyager and are the only regular baddies that survive scaling up to feature film proportions without looking silly these days. Bring it on! Makes this film a shoo-in to be better than the last effort which in my book scores 6.5 on a good day.
Sticking with movies: went to see Daybreakers the other day and it is pish.
Star Trek 11 was SHIT! Can we please, as a collective consciousness*, come to realise this? It was terrible. Plot holes you could fly the Enterprise through, stupid alternate-timeline cop-out shite, just a horrible film. The prospect of another one doesn't exactly excite me.
But then I could just be grumpy as all hell because I've heard there's going to be Hollywood versions of Ghost in the Shell and Akria. Oh, and Leonardo DiCaprio is in Akira.... Fuck me...
I totally agree with you. Let's keep it with only Romulans for now. The Borgs weren't even supposed to be introduced to humans until TNG. Focus on the point where Spock Prime helps the remaining Vulcans find a new home. Although I would welcome the reintroduction of Shatner.
The Danny Crane idea is fun to think of. Vulcans find a new planet, Romulans claim it's theirs, and a court scene ensues. And with that, how about putting Partick Stewart back in as a new character as well?
Geek. I never did decide on which one's a better Starfleet captain: Kirk or Picard.
For Pete's sake, the reboot has taken the franchise into brand-new territory.
I accept Spock coming back because it holds together in the current story. Fine. But there is no possibility for anyone else to come back. None. Nil. And please don't try to find one for the sake of pleasing Shatner. That's not an excuse.
If this new series starts down that path, it is doomed. Period.
I say the second film should see the death of Old Spock, and get rid of all ties with the previous timeline.
Let's boldly go where Star Trek hasn't been in quite a while : to brand-new, unexplored scripts that are actually coherent and thought through !
If only I could believe that they don't intend to milk this for more than three movies. They'll do the Borg now, to avoid comparisons to the original Wrath of Khan, then they'll bring Khan back in for the third movie, and then it'll be downhill from there. They'll have exhausted the three best Star Trek plot devices: Time travel, the Borg, and Khan, and let's face it, if they had a revolutionary new idea that would be in the same league as those wouldn't they be using that instead?
If she's still got it include her if not find someone else (if possible) with the same packaging.
No plot other than 7of 9 controlling a Tron style virtual reality where Shats, playing the original Kirk, is put through unwinnable life or death scenarios but unfortunately for him, luckily for the audience, he is brutally killed often.
How did 7of9 get back to this alternate reality in control of a VR machine containing the original JTK? Who cares as long as it includes jump suits.
In a perfect world, they'd undo the first film with the second. They were stretching even for a sci-fi movie. And the directing, ugh. I actually really liked it the first time I saw it. But when I watched the home version I noticed that the Kobayashi Maru was way better in Wrath of Khan, the inside of the Enterprise resembled a spacious chem plant rather than a submarine / intergalactic spaceship, and the camera was always being jiggled and having flashlights shined into it from the sides for some inexplicable reason.
And what's the deal with the Galaxy Quest style transporter? Even in TNG they couldn't do all the BS they pulled off. I wonder if the writers ever even watched a real episode of Star Trek.
and now mutilate it... ffs give it a rest... You were killing it for a long time Paramount... just let it die already.
The whole point of Roddenberrys vision of Star Trek was this bright future for everyone - and infact seems to be a reocurring theme(see Andromeda). Always striving to have something better than the crap we have today. Hell even Earth: Final Conflict is somewhat like that.
Shatner isn't the best actor we know this. He is also old. Why make films with old actors in? What is the fixation with flogging dead horses. They could just as easily make a film with the enterprise under a new captain with new foes (or even revamped old ones I.E. the dominion, or even species 8472 and take it to a new level. Why does every film creator feel the need to go back to go forwards? Why not make a film with the Pegasus style ship or just anything... Something new! Yes seeing Spock was great and seeing other actors play the trek characters was refreshing and in some cases fitting to the legacy. But that's what it is a legacy. Lets move forward not back. There is so much they can touch on. Leave time travel and the Borg for now and look on to new variants.
I dislike the whole reboot rubbish, imo should've sticked to the original timeline.
Loads of different factions with different political motives etc. surely would be a good source alone
for stories without the timetravel rubbish and screwing up decades of ST...
I'd prefer if next movie was to be done similar with Terminator 4, as in mostly ignoring the
events of previous movie as if it never happened.
Put Abrams infront of his namesake, and let the tank do the rest
was that the original timeline is pretty much written into a corner with the conclusion of voyager. No more borg, plus federation weapons and armour were left a smidge more advanced than the rest of the races.
Unless you are constantly intoroducing a new, undefeatable, enemy. Insanely more powerful than the last one, a la stargate, then it's pretty much run it's course. The only alternatives are, either to start afresh with some new ideas, god forbid, or start milking prequels/reboots.
But then I don't own any prosthetic rubber forehead enhancements, speak Klingon, wear a starfleet uniform, play LARP (heee hee , sorry cant help laughing when I say the L acronym), or go to conventions.
Even my girlfriend enjoyed it and sat all the way through it, (and she is usually only into non-trashy sci-fi like Brian Aldiss or Iain M Banks).
Lets face it, Star Trek TOS was always trashy, always mainstream, always camp, and kitsch. All of this need for "lore" bullshit was made up by obsessional fans generally direly in need of some escapism from their sadly blighted-for-some-reason-or-another lives.
I look forward to the sequel with anticipation (and yes I saw all of the other films and all of TNG which were good and some of Voyager and DS9 which were shit and rubbish).
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