'Something may come through' dimensional 'doors' at LHC A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or "unknown unknowns" - for instance "an extra dimension". "Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," said Sergio Bertolucci, who is …
> "And of course no risk to the stability of our world."
Unless there's an unexpected result. The odds of which are, by definition, unknown.
It's fairly safe to risk unexpected results with experiments which, say, mix a couple of chemicals.
No-one should be doing experiments which create the conditions just after the Big Bang, where the unknowns are things like the consequences of making new dimensions, mini-black holes etc.
The more such experiments we make, the surer you can be that eventually the unknown unknown will occur.
"Various eccentric nutballs", "cack-handed boffins" and "the button marked "Call Black Hole Into Being""
Hats off to Lewis and The Reg, you just don't get this quality of journalism anywhere else. Long may you lead us in the forthcoming struggle against the Nazi supermen that will march out of the rent in time & space deep under Switzerland (where the clocks come from)
Considering that black holes are known to have a magnetic force, maybe we can contain such a mini black hole within the confines of the LHC's super conducting magnet lined chamber?
Something tells me that doing anything than keeping it suspended in a vacuum will be quite dangerous, so no dumping to core.
Now, where's my crowbar...
I can't believe these idiot scientists harking on about opening doors to alternate dimensions, stranglet soups and black holes are flatly refuting even the merest possibility of monumentally screwing the planet. The unknowns and improbables are possible but no one know the odds. Would anyone reading this wander blindly into a bookies and bet the farm on a funny named horse whose odds of winnning aren't known?
I'm all for scientific progress but a) at what cost? and b) without condecending to the masses without astrophysics degrees and letters after our names thank you. For all their knowledge and suffixes they can't seem to grasp the fact that most people only hear about these things in sci-fi flicks and perhaps a little more education on the secret underground is on order, what we had so far? An alarmist documentary and a catastrophic failure when attempting to boot it up, makes the unknown odds look bad doesn't it?
"There's no maths in it," added Lamont encouragingly, having assessed the intellectual level of the Reg news team with disconcerting percipience.
That line made me laugh so hard. Excellent!
Looking forward to the switch on of the LHC.
Maybe I should buy a crowbar just in case.
So, there is an infinitesimal chance that this will end the world as we know it -- so what? Or are you some kind of Timelord who will be here to be upset by it if it does? For that matter, how do you know the world didn't end last Tuesday and continue in another set of dimensions?
"Calling Dr Freeman. Dr Freeman to the red emergency phone please."
Second, don't you just love this stuff. Seriously, portals into other dimensions, you just couldn't make this shit up. Alright, you can, and have, but we're talking real life here people! Real life!
Bring on the end of the world! Mwuahahahaha.
Yeah, I'm done now.
"someone living on a single 2D plane-space - that is as a mysterious circle suddenly blossoming into existence, growing, perhaps moving about and then shrinking down and vanishing again."
Surely for somebody to see the circle they would have to be living in 3d plane-space. Somebody living in 2D plane-space would just see an object (possibly like a line or wall) pop into existance, move about, grow wider, move nearer or further away and would curve away from them on either side.
Paris - Because she likes things that pop up, get bigger and move towards her!
has the requirement
"Capability to generate local black hole"
or
"Provide N Dimensional opening when button B is pressed and held for Time = t nanoseconds"?
Sounds like the Users are "big-ing" the (w)hole thing up to gain interest?
I wish them good luck in their enterprise but I hope/doubt they'll create anything more life threatening other than ideas. But that is startling enough for some to want to run back into their religious order and shout "Nay, deity protect me....".
To the naysayers, I say:
There's an entire universe out there. The human race occupies approximately nothing of it. Seriously, so small as to be completely, entirely insignificant. And in terms of mass/energy, we really are using *nothing*.
Even if we could harness the power of the entire planet, or even solar system, and focus it onto warping space and doing other tricks, we aren't going to destroy the world accidentally. There might be a big bang at the LHC in the conventional sense (smoke, flames, loud noise) but we're not going to be kick-starting the second Big Bang from the Starbug's engines.
If we could, we'd be witnessing Big Bangs and self-created black hole all over the cosmos and they would be our primary indicator of "intelligent life". And if we could do that, we'd still be an insignificant speck compared to the civilisations that manage to survive *their* "LHC era" and move on to the next "theoretically-safe" experiment. But if we don't at least try, we might as well have stayed in caves eating cold veggies because we had no tools to hunt or cook with.
It's actually a factor in things like the Drake equations if you do it properly - scientists take account of the fact that any intelligent civilisation might well do something daft and blow itself to pieces. Personally, I think the sword or bullet would prove to be a much more devastating invention to help that along without the need for advanced scientific research on it.
"Hey, our maths says there's an infinite number of universes out there, and they all really exist!"
My maths (thanks to a Monseiur Fourier) says that I'm not twanging a guitar string, I'm actually flipping a switch on an infinite number of sine-wave generators. Which of course must exist, because the maths says they do.
I really wish these guys could tell the difference between what's reality and what's a mathematical model which closely approximates reality.
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0512204
Abstract
Numerous Earth-destroying doomsday scenarios have recently been analyzed, including breakdown of a metastable vacuum state and planetary destruction triggered by a "strangelet” or microscopic black hole. We point out that many previous bounds on their frequency give a false sense of security ...
Seriously though, who cares?
If anything bad happens, we'll either have a hell of a view of the greatest scientific discovery ever or we won't know anything about it.
LHC goes "pop" and we go "blink" out of existence.
The human race has only got where it is byblindly ignoring the possible negative outcomes and chasing the dream.
When they split the Atom, they thought there would be a good chance they would burn off the planets atmosphere but they did it anyway.
The possible benefits are worth the possible risks.
Big green GO button for "Make it so!"
Microscopic black holes!
Would those be the same microscopic black holes that only contain the amount of energy you put into them, and then evaporate pretty quickly by re-emitting as Hawking radiation?
Of all the things likely to cause the destruction of the earth, I'd be MUCH more worried about our Merkin cousins...
I've read most of the articles about all the nasty things the LHC "could" do to the planet, the Universe, because "we just don't know". Junk science can be amusing.
Firstly, the thing that makes a Black Hole scary is the mass squished into the singularity as this, essentially, defines its gravitational influence. Any "Black Holes", or singularities that would be formed by smashing two Hadrons together (as opposed to a massive star collapsing in on itself) are going to have, well, the mass of two Hadrons, and would almost instantly decay into Hawking radiation. They would, however, be an awesome thing to detect and would go a long way to confirming our ideas of particle physics and cosmology.
I love the idea, also, that, at these energies and sensitivities, we could "see" a new dimension. One of my favourite books of recent years was "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene. It explains, both theory and history of String theory, 11 Dimensional supergravity, eventually becoming "M-Theory". It goes on to describe how these other dimensions that could make up our universe but we do not notice, could be seen from our perspective and there's a wonderful chapter explaining about our chums in 2D land. The sphere simply would have no depth in that 2-Dimensional world because depth was not a characteristic it could posess there. So instead you get an infinite series of cross-sections representing it's possible states in that flat world. So, no, you wouldn't get "lines" but "circles" with widths ranging from a single point to the diameter of the original sphere.
Having said all that, and knowing that the HLC would not have been funded, let alone built or turned on (well, assuming they ever do turn it on) if the science had said it's going to destroy the planet but fuck it, it'll be fun, I think the best proof we have that the LHC is actually going to open a doorway to a universe of Gollum-esque Space Nazis is that our future selves have sent back armies of avian agents armed with baked goods and strategic maps of weak points in the structure in order to prevent the invasion that wiped out all the fish in 2048.
I can't wait until they turn it on!
I was at a talk at the Wellcome Collection yesterday by Tejinder Virdee of CERN fame, and the question of how we can be so sure we won't be opening a black hole that will suck the Earth and everything on it into it.
His answer was that these experiement is effectively being done all over the planet, with cosmic rays crashing into each other at similar speeds to those created by the LHC. If it was going to create conditions in which we get sucked into oblivion, it would have happened already. Of course, as we don't have the equipment to analyse these various cosmic ray collisions in the right place at the right time, we haven't been able to make use of them, as a cheaper alternative to the £3-4 billion (or dollars?) kit stuck in at CERN, but hey, that wouldn't be as exciting for the black helicopter brigade either.
Tejinder Virdee was quite engaginging chap BTw - certainly recommended for anybody interested in the subject, although I will confess to *ahem* a few things going over my head.
Calm down. The LHC doesn't nearly have enough energy to "reproduce the Big Bang" or probably even generate black holes, turning the planet into soup etc. is definitely out of the question. We need about 18 orders of magnitude more energy for that. What they hope the LHC can do (and it turns out scientists do have a good idea of what's going to happen before they build experiments like this, surprise surprise) is operate around the scale of the weak nuclear force so aspects of supersymmetry and various string theories can be tested, many of which begin to make very specific predictions around that energy scale. On a cosmic scale, that's still relatively modest.
I've read Warped Passages , it's fascinating.
Yeah, ok it maybe 10^ -26 seconds on our side, but if they have a different temporal linear time frequency to us, it may be open on their side for...well...years...
Or if time is actually their 3rd dimension what could be 10^ -26 seconds for us could be a location 900 metres to the right of where they are stood.
No-one ever thinks about this! Or the children in the other dimension!
Am I the only one not in the least bit bothered if the Universe turns into soup? I'll be dead. You'll be dead. Neither of us will be in a position to give a shit.
The end of the universe, by it's very nature, will be the least eventful event in the Universe' history as there will be no-one (alive) to see it.
It's utterly unimportant so please, carry on cleaning your compost bins with half lemons or whatever it is you lot do to relax.
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Is the whole "recreating the conditions just after the big bang" thing.
The last time that happened, as I recall, the entire Universe sort of came into being and proceeded to grow continually outward at, presumably, the speed of light.
Seems to me that starting off another one of those in Switzerland could be considered A Bad Thing.
...to recommend that Mandelson be sent though the door. Tell him that the controllers of all filesharing are on the other side, and if that doesn't work; push him.
Even if the door doesn't open, the family car travelling at 1000mph can get him.
Form an orderly line please:
Mandelson
Waqui Jacki
Bush
The other Bush
All the execs of:
RIAA, FAST, MPPA...
Barclays, Lloyds, Halifax, Bank of America...
.....
Although very small in size, the Big Firecracker contained all the photons that now make up our Universe.
Since Everything is made of Photons, this pinpoint sized object thus contained, well, Everything.
Consider the Yin and Yang symbol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yin_and_Yang.svg
Two very tiny dots, each surrounded by an energy field, and orbiting around each other.
This is a simple conceptual model of a photon, there may be more than two kinds of particles and they are orbiting in 10 or 11 dimensions, but the Universe and everything in it is it made of these. The orbits vary in size and the spinning happens at varying speeds, giving a photon a "frequency." Viewed as it approaches, a photon appears circular, at an angle it traces out a helix, and from the side, it looks like a sine wave.
Although the size of the orbits may very, the particles themselves are probably the same size... VERY VERY tiny. Very! Tiny! So tiny that all of them fit inside a firecracker smaller than a proton.
When ancient boffins lit the Big Firecracker 13.7 (possibly by building a giant accellerator) billion years ago, the photon particles immediately began separating from each other, trying to form traditional photons.
At first there simply was no room for them to do that, so, instead of forming photons, the photonic particles dance around each other in tighter and more compact patterns forming first the very simplest of sub atomic objects, higgs bosons. As the universe becomes larger and larger, more complex objects can be formed, but there is still no room for light.
Finally, after about 10 seconds, the universe was big enough for photons to assume their traditional form, and they began to fly away in all directions at the speed of light, carrying heat away with them, and a few minutes later, the universe is cool enough for atomic nuclei to form.
A nice timeline is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Big_Bang
"Well ... There's an entire universe out there. The human race occupies approximately nothing of it.Seriously, so small as to be completely, entirely insignificant." ... By Lee Dowling Posted Friday 6th November 2009 13:18 GMT
Well, .... that equation changes quite radically, if the entire universe is an Elaborative Invention of Global Operating Devices .... Networks InterNetworking JApplications .... a Conspiracy of Enlightened Future Thought[s]?!.
"Hats off to Lewis and The Reg, you just don't get this quality of journalism anywhere else." ... By Stuart Monro Posted Friday 6th November 2009 12:31 GMT
Nobel Prize for Phormation Stuff and Perfect Nonsense, Stuart Monro, without any Doubt. And a Knightmare for Puppet Governments and Poxy Foxy Proxy Establishment Muppets to Try and Suppress.
And Failure to Acknowledge and Reveal what is Thought to be Known about Unknown Unknowns is the Jack S*** Straw they are given/have drawn to Remain Germane in the Great Futures Game.
I had a hard time dseciding whether the Zero Wing reference or the Buckaroo Banzai reference was most appropriate. So here they are in one place.
"All your base are belong to us!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
The Oscillation Overthruster represents the culmination of many years of research and experimentation by such august scientists as Emilio Lizardo, Prof. Hikita, Buckaroo Banzai and his parents. The OO allows one to penetrate other dimensions by acting on a solid surface in threespace; through the creation of multiparticle standing waves inside the object under projection, the surface is 'rotated' out of threespace into the Eighth Dimension. Passing an object through the convex hull surface thus rotated will, in effect, move the object entirely out of threespace by converting the object's three-dimensional momentum into eighth dimensional displacement.
John Whorfin: "Where are we going?"
Red Lectroids: "Planet 10!"
John Whorfin: "When?"
Red Lectroids: "Real soon!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckaroo_Banzai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Buckaroo_Banzai_Across_the_8th_Dimension
a race of carnivorous dinosaur-men, the superhuman clone hive-legions of some evil genetic queen-empress, infinite polypantheons of dark nega-deities imprisoned for aeons and hungering to feast upon human souls, a parallel-history victorious Nazi globo-Reich or something of that type.
Brilliant.
On a serious note, I got going on Warped Passages and put it down. I do recommend the two following books though:
Dimensional Structures of Consciousness - a Physical Basis for Immaterialism
and
Faster than Light - Superluminal Loopholes in Physics
Guess I ought to give Warped Passages another chance, I cannot remember why I did not like it. I think it duplicated too much I had already read...nothing wrong with that if you are new to this stuff.
Right, Ok... I'll go deal with it again....
Probably a bit of fuss over nothing
Wish the guys wouldn't read the excuse folder to the media
"yes dear, I'll be late home... it's er... because ,,,we think we've opened a black hole to another dimension"
or "Boss, we need new computers as...erm,... the strange matter release will render the old ones usless"
Going newa few beers after this...
all wrong with the bad consqences of the LHC
The doorway will open briefly , but a virus will be sucked through into our universe and 2 weeks after the first infection all thats left of humanity is several million zombies and 4 immune survivors........
I'm off to make pipe bombs and molotovs
...this is obviously the first step towards humanity creating its own CVEs, thus draining off excess entropy and filling the void left by the destruction of Logopolis.
Mine's the one with the yo-yo, blue crystal, and original-style sonic screwdriver in the pockets.
Hello Earthlings,
Kind of you to leave a rift open, your scientists know exactly what they're doing....haha....NOT!
We popped through for bonfire night because that's when we thought you'd all go up in smoke.
It's ok.... we're on holiday...so we can hang about a bit..
In our future history (temporal mechanics anyone?) LHC stands for Large Hole (in the) Cosmos ;)
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MANY THANKS for your Tejinder Virdee discussion...it makes sense. However, I have also heard a counter arguement that while these collisions and microblack holes occur in the normal course of events here on Earth, they are usually formed MOVING at very high rates of speed when they are formed, whereas they will be confined in the LHC and at much lower velocities.
I have heard that the statistical probability is that a micro-blackhole will evaporate before it can accrue enough mass to be dangerous (thank you Hawkins radiation!). Umm, however, that is, um, er, statistically speaking, of course...and there is a minute, very minute chance...that it might not...
Perhaps LHC-type devices are an evolutionary test for advanced intelligence - you either are smart enough to do it outside the gravity field of your home planet, or you are not...
You know, you guys...
Seriously, there is something here to take notice of.
1. An interdimensional event showing, following sufficient analysis of observation, existence and characteristics of previously unknown dimensionality is not really something worthy of only jokes.
2. Use of the term "dimension" is very loose. Of interest in this case is an undiscovered aspect of matter or energy or simply existence of a nature not seen in other aspects of matter or energy or existence. Something new.
3. Thinking that our universe will end during such an event is presupposing an incredible instability. Do you think perhaps were our universe that unstable that we would have come thus far? Ok, so this view is subjective. Nevertheless, this is incredibly pessimistic. Do any of your really think our universe was formed as an accident?
4. That you can think of and discuss this subject as a joke displays a shallowness of thought and a closed state of mind. I get so tired of this. Shoot yourself.
Yes!! Imminent Transdimensional Invasion threatens. Upgrade to plan CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN and implement shoot-to-kill police state immediately. Then strike a NuLabour/NuOverlords deal. Win/Win situation.
As for the rest of us, anyone who judges himself able to understand modern QFT and assorted mathematical tooling enough to be able to even judge the likelihood of an LHC event killing the planet or whatnot can probably understand http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3381 And thus the case rests.
> Considering that black holes are known to have a magnetic force
> The unknowns and improbables are possible but no one know the odds.
> Hey, our maths says there's an infinite number of universes out there, and they all really exist!
> Perhaps LHC-type devices are an evolutionary test for advanced intelligence
> Since Everything is made of Photons, this pinpoint sized object thus contained, well, Everything.
LOL NO!! This is like listening to a badly tuned radio.
Ok, enough of this, I'm going home.
he problem I have #
By Valerion Posted Friday 6th November 2009 14:22 GMT
Is the whole "recreating the conditions just after the big bang" thing.
The last time that happened, as I recall, the entire Universe sort of came into being and proceeded to grow continually outward at, presumably, the speed of light.
Seems to me that starting off another one of those in Switzerland could be considered A Bad Thing.
Keep banging the rocks together chaps - look what happened when that was tried a long long time ago. We'll end up with either income tax and rice pudding or expose a portal through which unstoppable hoards of Auditors come marching through. However I'm sure Gordon and (Her Ladyship) Alyx can deal with it - until the next time.
"If we could, we'd be witnessing Big Bangs and self-created black hole all over the cosmos and they would be our primary indicator of "intelligent life""
.....
Maybe your exactly correct. Science is only just beginning to be able to detect these 'black holes' (black spheres in my book)... what IF these ARE exactly what you describe - life that was a little more advanced than us that pissed about with this exact same experiment?
Now I bet you wish you had not thought that up!
Yes, yes, Gordon Freeman, I for one welcome etc etc but honestly, this stuff is fascinating and really important. Basic research without an eye to the commercial implications, poking the fabric of space just to see what happens. I am really looking forward to the flipping of the Big Red Switch, and can't wait to see what kind of results start to appear once they start gethering data and analysing it.
I think the most disappointing result possible would be if nothing at all unusual is seen or even hinted at. After all, the most exciting phrase in science isn't "Eureka!" but rather "That's funny..."
Just fill in your own scary thoughts at this moment. Personally in circumstances like these I prefer to have my back close against several thousand meters of granite. I know they could come in from that direction but I also keep a sheet of aluminium foil handy just in case.
"Do any of your really think our universe was formed as an accident?"
Ehmm.. are you saying that you believe that our universe was formed according to some plan made by a great space monkey?
For all you fools that wanna hide your head in the sand till time stops or what ever.The only way to find out if your idiotic fears are correct is to go ahead on turn the damn thing on.
If the world come to an end. So what.
If we open a gateway to another dimension? Cool but so what they will be as tired of us as we are of them. Besides its a tiny tiny tiny speck for a fraction of a second. I doubt anyone in this other dimension would notice it.
CERN! Rock on.
That a dimension was just an infinite line stretching out from whatever point you care to move, with pairs of perpendicular dimensions forming a plane and three perpendicular dimensions forming a space and four perpendicular dimensions forming space-time. Something like Back to the Future or Star Trek or... well, the general concept of what could happen with time travel requires more of a time-plane rather than a time-dimension as you can have parallel streams of time.
So openning a gateway to another dimension wouldn't really do anything. The matter's already there and pretty much anything non-intelligent that can move into human-intelligible spacetime already has in the same way that a cube of water will flow out into any direction along which it's not constrained.
An odd sensation, I guess, would be shifting yourself along the time axis at a rate greater or slower than 1second per second. I mean imagine the huge problems you'd have with, say, heat buildup. Your body's pumping out all this heat and it can only drain away to the outside universe at, say, half the speed it normally does. Yes there's less flowing in but you've still got a load of stored energy inside you being released through muscle action.
Anyway, pan-dimensional thinking is incredibly difficult and tedious and provides no significant benefit unless you can jump sideways along an unknown dimension into a voided parallel-to-ours universe or space between universes, move unimpeded along axes parallel to "our" 3 and then jump back to our own. Still doesn't let you beat the speed of light, but it might just make spacetravel a whole lot safer if we didn't have to worry about radiation or asteroids!
Anyway, this beer's working nicely so I'm off to bed.
I liked the comments by Lee Dowling (6. XI, 13:18 GMT), saying that "There might be a big bang at the LHC in the conventional sense... but we aren't going to destroy the world accidentally," and by Peter McAuley (6. XI, 14:09 GMT), pointing out that we would need "18 orders of magnitude more energy..." And even then, with the Planck energy of E* = 1.956 x 10 exp. 16 erg or 2.177 x 10 exp. -5 grams or about 10 exp. 20 TeV in each particle, one would only create a few John Archibald Wheeler's "undressed electrons" or vacuum density fluctuations which are being formed everywhere spontaneously and vanish in Planck's unit of time T* = 1.616 x 10 exp. -33 second (cf. Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler, "Gravitation," Freeman, .San Francisco, 1973, pp. 1190-1194). Even if the cosmon was such a vacuum density fluctuation, one would need 10 exp. 61 of them for the present mass of our universe, about 2 x 10 exp. 56 grams. Without inflation, the LHC, with an energy of up to 7 TeV, may at best produce a Higgs boson, not the higgsino or the particle for the unification of three basic forces of nature at 10 exp. 16 TeV (Alan H. Guth, "The Inflationary Universe," Perseus, Reading, MA, 1997, pp. 254-269). However, he also states that "a patch of false vacuum 10 exp. -26 cm across is all the recipe demands" for the creation of a "pocket universe" which, disconnecting from our universe "in roughly 10 exp. -37 seconds," would leave behind a black hole which would evaporate (by the Hawking process of pair creation) "in roughly 10 exp. -23 seconds, releasing the energy of a 500 kiloton nuclear explosion," about 17 times the energy of the Hiroshima bomb in 1945. If the LHC could produce such a patch of false vacuum (and if the inflationary theory is right, as to increasing the initial energy many times by the inflation), then the prediction by Lee Dowling as to merely a local explosion would come true. Something like that also appears to be predicted by Michael Nostradamus ("Les Propheties...", Rosne, Lyon, 1557, verse IX-44) in Geneva, when a transmutation of elements is done there ("Saturn will transmute gold to iron") by that opposite to a positive ray (RAYON POSITIF, abbreviated to RAY POZ), followed by "extermination of all", in Old French: IX-44: "Migrez, migrez de Geneue trestous, Saturne d'or en fer se changera, Le contre RAYPOZ exterminera tous, Avant l'advent le Ciel signes fera." Mentioning Saturn connects this prediction to his verse IV-67 which specifies that this will happen in "the air very parched, by a long trajectory", when Saturn and Mars will be equally fiery", at the time when they are in a conjunction; "by secret fires, a great place will be scorched.". The next time when the closest conjunction of Saturn and Mars will take place is July 31, 2010 at 0 degrees 0 minutes 50 arc seconds in Libra, almost ideally on the cusp of Virgo and Libra (N. F. Michelsen, "The American Ephemeris," Astro, San Diego, CA, 1982, cf. positions of planets in July 2010). Nostradamus wrote, in Old French: IV-67: L'an que Saturne & Mars egaux combust, L'air fort seiche, long trajection; Par feux secrets, d'ardeur grand lieu adust, Peu pluye, vent chaud, guerres, incursions." The two verses are also connected by the equal numerology of their numbers (since 9 + 4 + 4 = 17 and 4 + 6 + 7 = 17; this method is often used by Nostradamus to connect verses with a similar content, about the same event). But the disaster is predicted to be only local, since one will be able to escape just by leaving Geneva in time (IX-44). Up to now now the rays of positively charged protons accelerated in opposite directions ("Le contre RAY POZ") and lead nuclei have been used in accelerators and planned for the LHC, but gold nuclei have been used to make new superheavy elements. According to the prophecy IX-44, all one has to do in order to avoid this fairly local disaster in Geneva is to avoid using gold as a target as well as accelerated gold nuclei!
So the LHC cost how many hundreds of millions of euros?
"[...]such that each stream has as much energy in it as a normal car going at 1000mph. Secondly, the beams are arranged in such fashion that the two streams swerve through one another occasionally, which naturally results in huge numbers of incredibly violent head-on collisions.[...]"
Why not just buy a couple of Citroen C4's and accelerate them towards each other? Must be cheaper and easier than LHC. If nothing else, we'd be rid of two more piles of subsidised Franco-autocrap!
And ignoring the opening a dimensional portal concerns, what about the possibility of creating our own big-bang and suddenly being on the outside of a rapidly expanding universe of our own making?
Questions that need answers, methinks!
"Do any of your really think our universe was formed as an accident?"
Yes.
Because the other option is that somebody made it and that somebody is, by definition, a god.
When you have
a) improbable option and
b) fantasy option,
I choose a). It at least has some contact into reality.
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