Give me XP, or...
...give me another OS altogether.
A majority of Windows XP users are positive about Windows 7 but are split on whether to upgrade, with a large number keeping an open mind. That's according to preliminary results from a PC World and Technologizer survey of 5,000 Windows XP users, who also want Microsoft to keep offering their operating system of choice. …
Windows 7 seems like a decent OS but as usual MS has overpriced their OS for the general population, especially since they are releasing it during a recession.
I can't see charging over a $100 for an OS considering the huge discounts they give the big PC manufacturers.
I like XP Pro, I'm used to it and I don't need a PC upgrade at this time so there's no reason to change especially at the prices they are talking for the retail version for those of us that build our own systems.
$199.95 Home Premium
They should drop all these prices $100 to $150 and why even have the first 2 versions, just get rid of them. The first version to me means I'm paying $200 for a crippled version of Windows 7 ultimate, it also means I have to pay $300 if I want something other than crippleware from windows.
It's not like they have to make 3 versions. They could have just made Ultimate, saved the R&D cash crippling some parts and security to make sure they remained crippled. Then sold 3 x as many copies as they would with 3 versions. This lower pricing would greatly expand their customer base since the average person in the US doesn't make crap for pay nowadays, unless they are Bill Gates or work for him. Just my take on things
With the recession and the economic disasters we need your money desperately to make our shareholders happy.
Please buy..err.. license our new windows 7 asap.
Forgive our marketing trick with vista, that was just to wake you up.
Else nobody ever would be interested in a new..err..same..err.. different windows version.
We made just some basic adjustments on the 25 year old windows NT kernel, nicer fonts and graphic looks, and basicly technically nothing changed from 3.51 to xp and w7.
So you can install it without fear on your PC because not much has changed.
There will even be an option to disable anti-virus and firewalls, if they get to annoying to you.
You see, we really are worried about our users
(specially financially if we can milk them some $$)
You also can still run xp with IE6, but need a special processor with vx/vt capability and we will be happy to bring you in contact with one of the by us promoted pc brands. (than we both make $$)
You will spend more money than necessary but it is a good deed to all of us:
We make $$ by licensing (the same old cr%$^)
The pcmaker needs the vx/vt chip and both the chipmaker and the pcbrand makes $$
Your bank gives you credit and will make $$
So we all thank you very very to make a quicker come-back of the economy..
(can i have that beer now, than i can go home to work with my penguin again)
After testing Windows 7 for several months I will not be buying it as a replacement for XP. I would buy XP as a replacement for Vista though.
Windows 7 does fix several of the problems with Vista but you still end up with a hardware hungry OS that won't run older software very well and does not do anything remarkably better than XP. I have had several hardware support issues with Windows 7 that can not and will not be resolved.
If you get Windows 7 on a new PC it will be fine, but upgrading from XP is not a good idea.
We all know how it goes... They'll keep running XP till they buy a new box that comes with Win7 on it. Positive reaction or not, if they were the type to jump onto the pay-money-to-upgrade-current-box-OS, they'd have already done so.
Isn't it funny the polls only try to answer one narrowly constructed question? Given the stats, if you threw in a couple questions about cheeseburgers and fries you could probably draw a conclusion about whether XP or Win7 users are more likely overweight.
I installed it the day it was RTM via MSDN at work. I like it. I didn't think I'd like the new taskbar, but it is great on the not-massive-resolution screens. Turned off the UAC of course. Just about all the Vista drivers work on it. Did a full install of my day to day programming apps, databases, clients, etc and they all ran without a hitch.
It's nice that almost all of the devices are recognized and given a driver on install instead of having to fiddle with thumb drives and your other computer because the ethernet or wireless, etc don't work.
It seems to run pretty efficient but I've got good hardware on it, so I would only notice glaring inefficiencies.
There won't be a stampede to upgrade for XP users, but there will be a lot fewer downgrade-to-XP customers.
Windows 7 runs better on lesser hardware but has the features that investors in good graphics cards and RAM will appreciate.
Translation: Windows 7 is what Vista should have been.
"We made just some basic adjustments on the 25 year old windows NT kernel"
Um, no. NT3 -> NT4 -> NT5 -> NT6. It's a 25-year-old kernel *line*, but they've actually altered the kernel substantially during that time.
Back more on topic-ish: XP is good for legacy hardware (and come on, C2D is four years old now itself). But it's a legacy OS, and was originally coded/launched almost a decade ago! You people are stuck in the early 2000s where Windows 98 and the P3 were legacy, 2000 was recent, and XP and the P4 are new. C2D and 64-bit were amazing futuristic things just being launched. That's all many years in the past! Get your head out of the little pink cloud you're in and look around you. C2D is four years old, Vista is three years old. Times move, and you have to move with them!
Being a gamer and wanting to use the quad core and 4gb of RAM there is no real alternative. I tested it for 6 months and it is by far the most stable OS I have used (I own two Mac's as well and they hardly get switched on now), far better 64 bit OS than XP & Vista could ever be.
If people were too dumb not to buy it at the initially reduced rates they deserve to pay full price.
I've been happy with XP Pro for six years now, running on my six year old Acer Travelmate 8000. I decided to try Win 7 RC in July (using a spare 2.5" hard drive from my collection of old 2.5" drives).
It will not install if the cluster size is greater than 1K as I found out by experimentation since it did not give any meaningful error messages. If I formatted the drive using its install- time facilities, it then further refused to install with no meaningful error messages. The hard drive was then unreadable using Partition Magic under XP (using my desktop) with a PM error stating that the drive was 'Bad'. I had to use a different utility to recognise the drive and reformat it (and reduce the cluster size).
Eventually, I installed Win 7 on my laptop. I was surprised at how well it ran after I turned off all the eye-candy. It does max out my CPU if I run VLC media player at full screen but with a six year old Acer Travelmate that is not surprising really. Win 7 RC will not let you undock toolbars from the taskbar which was a downer for me because I like my pop-out toolbars around the edges of my screen for quick and easy access to data folders and programs. I can work around that and have done, I am flexible even if Win 7 is not.
Zone Alarm firewall will not run under Win 7 but I'm sure they'll fix that soon (?) and I found that the free 'Sphinx' firewall installs and runs well in WIn 7. A few other minor utility programs I have will not run properly and XP compatibility mode would not be any good with my old laptop CPU (which is to be expected).
Home networking is a pig to set up and the Win 7 GUI is some kind of 'Networks 'R' Us' confection that makes you want to hit it with a hammer. It insists on you providing a user name and password for the network device even though the network device (an old NAS drive) didn't have one set up and did not need one under XP. Actually, the password is the networking 'homegroup' password that Win 7 itself initially gives you (wtf?!) and the 'username' was eventually sorted out by me setting up a named group account on the NAS drive itself. I won't go on........it was a nightmare but I'm a stubborn bastard and I eventually made it all work. I even got it to share files with my XP netbook but I can't get it to share files with my XP desktop - sod it. I wont tell you what happened when I tried swapping to a cabled connection to my router instead of using wireless (for transfer speed reasons) because If I did I'd start some serious swearing. (Bear in mind that I've done all this before with XP Pro - no problem).
Outlook 2000 does not work under Win 7, you can read e-mail but can't send it due to a strange address book error (I wasn't trying to use the address book!). That's ok though because I tried Thunderbird with the Lightning plug in and that installed and works like a dream. It may be a good idea for me to try Open Office next and see how I get along with that. Thank you Microsoft, for starting to wean me away from Microsoft Office.
After the initial frustration and headbanging, it's a reasonable user experience and seems to be very stable as long as you don't try to make any changes on your LAN. I will carry on using it until the RC license runs out in June 2010, then I'll go back to using my trusty old XP Pro hard drive (which I have cloned in case it dies). If my laptop dies, I'll get a new one with Win 7 and will accept and work around its peculiarities; I still have my XP Pro desktop for serious work.
Beer, because you need one after trying to install and set up Win 7.
I think Windows 7 is great and will go down well with our users, however one snag I've encountered during some test deployments - we have been issued with license keys by Microsoft only for their enterprise licensing solution however the problem is you have to have 25 active installs of Windows 7 (at any time) to use it. In other words if you are going to buy-in you have to do it in bulk from the start or your OS will expire. I suppose a good news is that VMs count (so I might just load up 23 copies in the ESX server just to get things moving...)
The alternative is we can get a MAK key to be used on each individual machine, but they still have to activate individually via the Internet which will no doubt cause problems with enterprise deployment and disk images (there is also a 'proxy' method but it still talks to the Internet). In typical Microsoft over-engineered-solution-to-a-problem-that-doesn't-exist-fashion there is an entire area of Technet devoted to how to license Windows 7 along with videos showing an overview of the process, and clearly one of the most important things Microsoft thinks it's customers will be concerned about is if MS will be keeping tabs on who is making all those Internet activations - this very question is addressed multiple times in the videos to the point it becomes almost amusing or concerning - take your pick.
I do however see this as a barrier to enterprise deployments for some who will no doubt be thinking if XP isn't broke why fix it along with license paranoia.
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I agree that W7 is over priced, although it's actually not so bad in the UK...
Given the price different between Ultimate and Pro, they really shouldn't have bothered with Pro, and just left it at ultimate.
I'm using W7 on my main machine at home and work, and I have to say it's really rather good - a lot better than XP, and not just in the way it looks, it's more responsive too. It's a lot tidier, things are more logically arranged than Vista, and just as easy to get to as XP. The Taskbar is a big improvement.
Admitedly it's a little slow on my Athlon 3700 w/ 1GB RAM at home, but it runs a lot faster than XP ever did on my quad Xeon at work. It's very stable, and I've not encountered much in the way of application/driver incompatibility. Not enough to stop me from using it anyway.
I think take up of W7 will exceed Vista, mainly because they'll have all the new purchases of W7 that they had with Vista through OEM sales on brand new hardware, plus I think there will be some people persuaded to purchase an upgrade once it's hit the street and they've had the chance to try it.
Beer icon, cos I'd rather buy MS a beer for getting it right, than paying for a copy.
I installed Win7 (well, 6.1) on my wife's Vaio laptop as Vista was constantly causing problems. Sony's continued use of bizarre hardware and drivers meant that I couldn't get all the XP drivers, so an upgrade to XP wasn't an option.
So, I've had a bit of a play with Win7, and it's... okay. I suppose.
But really, what's all the fuss about? You don't seem to get as much pointless pestering from UAC out of the box, and some of the taskbar features are nice. And it's good to see that MS have re-architected the graphics compositing engine so that it's not using daft amounts of memory (and thus running veeerrrryyyy slowly). But, that's it. It still takes far too long to come back from sleep. It still takes too long to find and join a wireless network, and it still feels a bit cluttered.
Am I missing something? Or is Win 7 just a case of 'any port in a storm' compared to the horror of Vista?
I have XP machines which are pretty stable, have the apps that I need, and have all of the drivers for their hardware. I have absolutely no compelling reason to mess with any of them.
If a machine messes-up hard enough that a full reinstall is less troublesome than a fix, I'll put Windows 7 on.
The only exception is my HTC Shift, running Vista. As soon as I encounter a howto that manages to get /all/ of its hardware working reliably under Win7, that machine's getting an upgrade.
I remember the launch of IE4 - a bunch of us (ISPs) were flown over to Seattle for the official M$ deployment to partners
We spent five days trying to break it in one way or another
On the Thursday M$ took everyone on the team to the ball game
Oddly, none of the M$ coders were available that night
A bunch of us managed to discover SO many holes in the browser that the entire coding team were drafted for last minute fixes nd missed the Baseball
They released on time and had to patch it within weeks
At least I still have the glow in the dark T-Shirt :)
Is there any reason I can't expect the same of Win7?
People with XP are people that are probably:
a) less likely to be impressed with Shiny New Things;
b) patient types who wait for the inevitable teething problems to be resolved before purchasing; or;
c) people who can't afford an upgrade (either to a new OS or for a new PC that comes with it installed).
All of which would be evident from the fact they wisely chose not to go for Vista. No big surprise that they are not overwhelmingly favourable towards a different, costly and unestablished new version.
Am I the only person who uses vista and doesn't hate it? I gather there were big problems when it was first released but I've been using it for months now and it is fine (note: not good or excellent but fine).
I can fully understand why people wouldn't want to shell out for an upgrade, or want the XP downgrade for low powered systems (read: what used to be reasonable powered systems) but that doesn't explain the hate some people seem to have for it.
Did everyone who 'hates' vista try it in the early days and have bad experiance, if so have they used it recently or are they just jumping on the bad press bandwagon?
Okay queue everyone to call me an M$ shill, or fanboi...
My vehicle is a 1999 Ford F150 pickup truck. It gets 22 MPG (small V-6), rides very comfortably, is easy getting into and out of for an arthritic old fart, is 99% cosmetically, Insurance is <$300/year and it's 100% paid for. I like it, it's almost a classic ... I like it a lot. But the new models are nice: they ride well, get good gasoline mileage, and they look good. But, it's simply not worth paying, oh, $20,000 to get a minor upgrade to something I already have and like. After all I AM a human clunker so I fit my four-wheeled "clunker" quite well. I'm just waiting for the O-BAM-Uh administration to start the "get the old 'clunkers' out of society" program. Unlike the metal ones, flesh and blood clunkers fight back.
XP is like my truck ... a comfortable old friend who treats me well and does for me all the right things. I'm no Linux devote`, but if I were going to have to learn a a whole new OS, I'd opt for Ubuntu 9.04. I have it dual booted with XP Pro on my beta test box and it's very nice. Still rough around the edges, but every release is "getting there".
What M$ fail to understand is that there is no killer app , no real reason to upgrade.
People use OS's to run applications , the OS isn't the application. Apple hit this on the head with a ' here is the OS , it costs X ( forgive the pun ! ) , no versions , no up-sell , just the OS....
XP, for all its failings , is now a pretty stable OS and it runs the applications , the purpose of the OS , everything talks to it , hardware compatibility is tight and it works..
To get people to move to 7, will have to come from making XP no longer available and forcing it upon the consumer / corporate, as they are not going to move voluntarily.
Finally , they've got the price points all wrong..... Who is going to pay 200 EUR/GBE /USD , when the machine costs the same ?
It really is time for everyone to wake up, ask the question 'what do I do with my PC' and look at LINUX / Open Office.
For the record , I like the look and feel of 7, but do feel M$ have missed the point with pricing/versions.
...unless the Linux world gets it's act together, then it'll be HELLOOOOOOOO penguin at home. Yeah, guess it'll be 7.1 after all. Hey ho. (I can hear the fanbois massing now...*)
Never install a version 0 of any product, just don't do it. Let the early adopters have all the problems and then pick up the working version in the sp1 release. It was true of Vista, XP and it will be true of 7 too.
I've had the misfortune of having to suffer Vista and 2008 Server at work (first action? Make it as XP-like as possible). Biggest gripe? The bloody start orb. I hate that interface in KDE and I hate it in Windows - just how many clicks is it to get to what you want? I also dislike the whole user authentication thing.
It was pretty jarring when I started using Linux where it seemed like every 5 minutes I was getting asked for a password. Of course, that was because I was fiddling around, now I am simply using it, I hardly ever get challenged (except for updates etc). What does Vista do? OK/Cancel. WHAT? I could be any moron with physical access, ask for the bloody password!
The whole 7 UI is just fugly. So much wasted space and so frustrating; it's like the "hide the option" feature of the start orb is the pervading mantra for the entire design.
Actually...I think I've just talked myself into staying with XP.
*I don't want much, just an X that can be easily configured to allow me to set which display is the "master", not the first one found, or the one "above" or whatever unconfigurable madness X uses. Also VPN support**, the ability to use my printer, my webcam, all the buttons on my mouse. Y'know, the little things that "just work" in Windows. Yes, I know some of this is not the fault of Linux per se, it's the OEMs not creating drivers or releasing source; but that does not change the fact that Linux does cannot do what I want/need.
**Yes, I know about OpenSwan etc; it doesn't work with Checkpoint.
We made just some basic adjustments on the 25 year old windows NT kernel, nicer fonts and graphic looks, and basicly technically nothing changed from 3.51 to xp and w7.>>>
Buddy and Linux isnt an updated kernel EVEN older than NT... Or do you REALLY think every linux kernel is written up from scratch?? keep dreaming
Paris because even she is more useful than the Linux fanboy who wrote that
Bit the bullet and installed W7 on my HTPC, using an SSD for the boot drive. Only issue that was thrown up was the Sil 3114 RAID controller on one of my PCI cards was not installed. Quick trawl of the net yielded some Vista drivers tried those, card wouldn't start error 10. Bah! did a Windows update, following which I was informed that there were other optional updates, quick scan of these showed Sil 3114 driver, installed bam RAID controller working, not only that but the XP dynamic disks on this card were picked up and mounted. All the doohickeys attached to this machine had drivers available or were relatively easily installed. Doohickeys include, EP45 UD3R mobo, Q6600 cpu, 1394 card, Sil 3114 RAID card, Hauppage PVR 150, Snapstrem Firefly RF Remote, Eye-Fi manager. Response from the SSD is very good, the armchair experience is snappy, the only lasting annoyance are the Nvidia drivers, Nvidia just can't seem to get their heads around the fact that most people still have CRT TVs, I had to downgrade to older drivers to get the overscan to work properly on my TV, but I had similar problems with XP Nvidia drivers.
Overall a good experience, but then my old XP install was approaching 5 years old and was very creaky, if I wasn't planning a total reinstall and I didn't have a Technet sub would I have done it? Probably not.
Most of the serious techies I know have been using Windows 7 since RC or beta. Sorry if you did not get around to testing it yourself (including Virtual XP Mode for your legacy software.) It is noteworthy to read the justification for refusal to move to something new...and at times a little amusing.
I guess you will be keeping your small black and white television sets too? No flatscreens for this crowd, by GOD! The old CRTs are good enough for me dadblabbit. I am not giving Toshiba/LG/Samsung one thin copper coin when my 20" telly still works. Who needs HDMI! I have SCART!
The warmth of vinyl records is classic. Zippos are classic. A great vintage of red wine is best aged carefully in a cellar. Good worn blue jeans...classic. Old O/S? Up to you man. Have fun.
I suspect Im like the massive majority of domestic "at home" xp users. I use word to type letters/resumes/that kind of crap. I use word '03, because lets face it, unless you're an enterprise or DTP or something, what the hell do you need more than that? I use Gmail for my email. I dont use outlook for the same reason I dont drink water from a septic tank.
I play a lot of games, and whilst MS&Co did dally with "vista only" gaming, it didnt stick. why not? because games were never really written with x64-necessary code. games houses like the x32 xp standard, and as long as nVidia and ATi keep churning out whopping great GPUs, I think that'll carry on for a good long while. I dont have any clever cutting-edge hardware, no custom boardery, no odd stuff for specialist use sitting in expansion slots. I am joe public.
what dell is increasingly discovering, and what microsoft discovers as well is, Once joe public can play The Sims, look at penguin-bites-baby videos on "the youtube" and send and recieve inane junkmail to their relatives via gmail, they have a hard time grasping that they 'need' an upgrade, so their pc can do what? the latest urge is a "media box"... for what? movies? joe public has a DVD player and DVDs, and asking him to spend hundreds of dollars or pounds on a new box so he can watch a stack of probably illegally downloaded movies with a remote he'll have to buy seperately and configure to work with software he doesnt have via TV cable hookups he also doesnt have.... well, its going to be a hard sell.
so why am I going to upgrade? everything thats not a game I already own (ancient version of office), I dont need to upgrade a million security holes through outlook, everything I want to own/will own related to the machine will be xp compatible.
Im sure Vista was just lovely once they beat the stink of poop from the code. Im sure it wasnt a bloathog of a thing crammed with features I neither wanted, needed, nor asked for, either. Im sure windows 7 will offer me a plethora of options for integrally managing how much time my evil spawn spends online, whitelisting and blacklisting sites, powermanaging and networking and the easy access to a file system that Im already comfortable with in xp. if I just RTFM thats 180 pages long, 18 pages of which is the EULA.
Only, I dont want to read a book, I dont care about white-and-blacklisting sites. I really dont want to thrash around for a week trying to get some random .avi to play through my TV when I already own a perfectly good DVD player.
So, why the hell do I want Windows 7 again?
Instead, ask them 2 questions
1. Do you like all this swank new stuff in windows 7?
IF 1. = YES GO TO 2
2. Is it worth you spending around a grand for a new machine with a basic copy of it, or around 150-300 dollars or pounds for a copy of just the software?
IF 2. = YES GO TO WTF.
It would be more appealing to me go from XP to Windows 7 if there was only one variant. Not Home, Professional, Ultimate...
This is so unnecessary and confusing to the consumer and increases costs of inventory management at Microsoft.
Having said that I am positive about Windows 7 - I think they got it right this time: faster boot time, improved GUI...
Remember Windows ME? That wasn't well received - and I compare that episode with Vista. So I think Microsoft can bounce back like they did before.
Linux is similar with all its variants, Debian, Ubuntu etc. confusing for the consumer.
Where MacOS X has won is because there are no variants. Keeps it simple.
And, believe me, opinions are all we get to express here, and should be seen as such.
Having said that, I did my W7RC testing on a PIII with 512MB and the only thing that failed to work adequately was the graphic driver which, when I tried the XP driver, it insisted on uninstalling and reinstalling when booting. That isn't bad, but it tends to lead me to think that the biggest problem for W7 will be driver related rather than OS. That doesn't exclude the problems with excessive memory and HD requirements, code bloat and the insistance on a clean install (actually I prefer this as I've never seen a Windows upgrade that is 100% reliable), but my biggest disappointment will be if not enough effort is put into supporting kit which was happy enough under W2K/WXP which, because of the sheer bloat of Vista, will have been "deprecated" but, with a little effort from their respective support folk, will work fine with W7. If all it takes is a little more effort to get XP driver support into the OS, then M$ can't really lose.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not thinking about immediately upgrading (if that's the right word) every PC I have to W7. I might do one of them as it needs a rebuild (the other one and my netbook will stay with openSUSE), but I believe that there will be a general reluctance to move. Home users won't want to disturb their existing installations and business users will wait for all the bugs to be exposed. The most M$ can hope for will be the installation on new machines as they are sold and those folk that insist on being the first with everything no matter how ill advised it might be.
I agree with Heff there, i like shiny new things and gadgets, but the whole point of a computer is to run an application as fast as possible, in a reliable fashion. this is the main reason the first thing i do after installing is to turn off all the fancy fonts. rounded corners and other shiny bits you can't see when you are running an app, which is what you have the computer for presumably.
-do many people spend time in front of their machine just staring at the desktop??
if i were to install windows 7 instead of xp onto the hardware i currently use, would it make my games run faster or load quicker?
-i would get the latest DX version i suppose which has nearly swayed me, but not quite.
if yes it's worth upgrading i'd say, but i seriously doubt it.
To upgrade from Xp you need first to 'upgrade' to Vista and then upgrade from Vista to 7.
(I'm talking of upgrading rather than a new installation) -I have a lot of app's on my machine that I've used for years and have lost the original install discs. In the case of 'EasyCad', which I use a lot, my original floppies have become unreadable. I KNOW it's always recommended to do a clean install of Windows and then install all the app's but in my case I can't see a way of doing this.
My home computer runs Windows 98. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I want. I don't need Word 2003, because I use Word 1997 which does nearly everything Word 2003 does, but with less palaver.
When I upgrade I'll go to whatever OS happens to be shipping with whatever Dell happens to be shipping. This is because I want to use music programs like Sibelius, Cubase, &c. which don't ship for Linux and the last Dell I bought still runs very well even though I bought it in 1999.
I have no idea what C2D is so I'm not really amazed by it. I'm also not amazed by 64-bit technology because because it's an extension of an already existing technology, and falls into the 'wow-that-car-engine-is-so-much-bigger-than-mine' kind of amazement rather than the 'wow-that-car-flies-into-space-i-could-go-to-mars-in-it' kind of amazement.
I know which kind of amazement would make me have to have a particular kind of operating system, and it's not the first kind. In fact the only computing-related-thing I can think of that's in the 2nd kind of category is a quantum computer: Everything else is just the same thing as we had before only with bits of glitter stuck on to make it look shinier. Fortunately for me I'm no longer a child and not easily impressed by bright, flashing lights so I won't be upgrading to whatever OS MS are releasing next for a little while yet and it won't be because I /have/ to upgrade, but because I /want/ to upgrade. And for me to want that MS are going to have to do a bit better than getting their glue-gun out and doing some primary-school art on their existing products.
I'm a part time Masters student in the UK so we will get Windows 7 (along with previous Windows OS since win2k) totally free anyway.
I would buy Win7 anyway though, but agree one version would be better, with one fixed price for the full version, and one price for the upgrade version (Upgrade versions suck though)
lock all other programs out of windows folder - fail
lock all other programs INTO their own program folder - fail
lock out all hidden files and rootkits - fail
drm - fail
lock all other programs out of registry - fail
lock me out of my own files - fail
require all programs permission to install and execute and access web - fail
won't install over xp - fail
just a cleaned up Fista - fail
I had a couple of machines using the RC release and since getting it from technet, I have upgraded all my machines to 7 Ultimate and it is great. Even on my 5 year old laptop which should really be consigned to the bin as it was out of date when I got it, okay it won't do Aero but everything else is great.
Agreed, the networking is a joke, anytime you want to connect to something there a daft quiz, none of which is meaningful & achieves nothing. it couldnt recognise my primary domain controller whilst everything else, Mac Linux, Windows XP & even NT4.0 sees it right away.
Ive no doubt that Steve Ballmer will soon be prancing round the stage, sweating like a drug crazed baboon & shouting mindless crap into the microphone about how amazing it is & 15 year olds in PC Rip Off World will say its wonderful, but then they sell shit like Packard Bell.
I had wished 7 to be a new operating system, no registry, no driver problems, no dependence on stuff thats donkeys years old & an interface for those of us over five years old but its Vista SP2 so bend over, accept the red hot poker up your arse and incessant round of fiddling around to make it do what was so easy in XP.
What a crock of shit.
"Most of the serious techies I know have been using Windows 7 since RC or beta."
You don't know any serious techies, then. No serious techie would ever "use" an RC or a Beta for production work.
"Sorry if you did not get around to testing it yourself (including Virtual XP Mode for your legacy software.)"
Why would I test a commercial OS for myself? Surly that's the job of the publisher? Yes, I will take the time to qualify an OS for use within the networks I control, but testing is WAY outside the scope of production systems.
"It is noteworthy to read the justification for refusal to move to something new...and at times a little amusing."
What's even more amusing is the quantity of fanbois that spring out of the woodwork, regardless of the OS in question ... Remember, child, "new" does not equal "better".
"I guess you will be keeping your small black and white television sets too?"
No, but I have about two dozen text-only terminals (mostly Wyse-50s) on my home network. Do you have a problem with that?
"No flatscreens for this crowd, by GOD! The old CRTs are good enough for me dadblabbit. I am not giving Toshiba/LG/Samsung one thin copper coin when my 20" telly still works. Who needs HDMI! I have SCART!"
On the same home network, I have half a dozen 23" Sony Trinitron monitors that are over two decades old. All work just fine, TYVM. Again, do you have a problem with that?
"The warmth of vinyl records is classic."
When recorded to 1/2inch tape the second or third play, yes :-)
"Zippos are classic."
Yep. But I carry something closer to flint & steel ... I don't like naphtha in my pocket.
"A great vintage of red wine is best aged carefully in a cellar."
Carefully, my ass. Constant temps make good wine. You either have it, or you don't.
"Good worn blue jeans...classic."
Classic has nothing to do with it. People who purchase pre-broken-in denims deserve the cost and lack of wear that goes with the advertising hype. Get 501s and break 'em in yourself.
"Old O/S? Up to you man. Have fun."
My TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 systems are online, doing useful work, and I'm not concerned about their security. Can you say the same about your Win7 system?
You might want to re-read my post. Despite the fact that you quite literally quoted each and every line, you missed it...a little more than slightly. I was not talking about your home network...but you sure like talking about it to boost your street cred. I remember punch cards too there matey, but only barely. Try not breaking paragraphs up into their individual components. It tends to destroy the proximity dignification of the whole and render your aggressive response disconnected.
I used the word telly on one side, and television on the other side of the sentence containing CRT (an acronym which includes televisions too.) I was drawing a parallel between someone that refuses to buy a new TV when models of interest are likely available merely because they have one already, and it is "good enough." I added the HDMI/SCART jest to further said point and provide potential technological justification...but you missed it all. Bravo. Ten points of ten for complete FAIL. You would likely find more parallels of worth in your own gear (which does sound cool) with the random items I chose to represent the idea of classic if you read my post this way.
And no my post was not a slam on anything that has clean code or is stable, but I am certainly not writing this from an old DEC, Vector, IBM pre-clone era, or WYSE machine...and neither are you so try to stay on topic.
Ok, just to abuse multi's TV analogy :
XP is black and white. Ok, so what features of 7 make it colour?
XP is scart , Ok, Im still wondering what features of 7 make it HDMI.
We're not talking a massive integral-worth leap, like black and white to colour, or regular to HD picture on a piece of technology whose only use is to be viewed.
W7 has no features I physically need, and nothing I want thats going to massively enhance how I use my computer. and like the last tiem I had this arguement with the Vista fans, they end up resorting to telling me in glassy tones about the Aero interface, which for sure, is really pretty for something that eats system resouces like a digital cancer.
the extra network "security" aka, asking me a million "are you sure" questions, the file and registry control, etc. It feels, bluntly, like an OS for thickies. If they come out with a "Pro" flavour, where the OS assumes a level of technical knowledge above, say, an oyster, and stops asking me pointless questions and just does as its fucking told, then maybe I'd consider upgrading. (alas, alack, NT, where did your "RTFM" attitude go?)
"You might want to re-read my post."
Done, The only thing I didn't comment on was the subject line. For a reason.
"Despite the fact that you quite literally quoted each and every line, you missed it...a little more than slightly."
Maybe, maybe not ... shall we explore?
"I was not talking about your home network..."
Neither was I, at least not entirely.
"but you sure like talking about it to boost your street cred."
I lost interest in "street cred" before I got my first degree and learned what work was.
"I remember punch cards too there matey, but only barely."
So you are under 25 years old, then?
"Try not breaking paragraphs up into their individual components."
When the author of said paragraphs is all over the place, I have no option.
"It tends to destroy the proximity dignification of the whole and render your aggressive response disconnected."
For "disconected" I think you meant "tightly coupled" ... you have a LONG way to go before your disorganised arguments diserve anything resembling dignity.
"I used the word telly on one side, and television on the other side of the sentence containing CRT (an acronym which includes televisions too.) I was drawing a parallel between someone that refuses to buy a new TV when models of interest are likely available merely because they have one already, and it is "good enough." I added the HDMI/SCART jest to further said point and provide potential technological justification...but you missed it all. Bravo."
Please note: We are talking computers & operating systems. Not television. I'm fully aware that most people (including yourself, it would appear), can't tell the difference ... but I assure you that "telly" and "windows" are completely different thingies. So-called high-def is hardly necessary when it comes to computing.
"Ten points of ten for complete FAIL."
Lose "fail" as a meme, youngster. It was old before you graduated highschool.
" You would likely find more parallels of worth in your own gear (which does sound cool)"
It's not "cool", it's RealLife[tm]. Some of us have been doing this for a living longer than you have been alive. Legacy systems (especially the ones that work in the RealWorld[tm]) are so far beyond what you consider "cool" that it would make your head spin.
"with the random items I chose to represent the idea of classic if you read my post this way."
Random items do not a coherent point make.
"And no my post was not a slam on anything that has clean code or is stable,"
So ... your point was, what, exactly?
" but I am certainly not writing this from an old DEC, Vector, IBM pre-clone era, or WYSE machine...and neither are you"
No? This post, as are nearly all of my longer comments here on ElReg, is being typed on an IBM Model M keyboard attached to a 3151 monitor ...
"so try to stay on topic."
I thought I was. And you replied, so in theory you did too ... again, your point was ... ?
"It's not like they have to make 3 versions."
They haven't, it's just license branding. Take any Win 7 installation DVD, rip it, remove the file "ei.cfg" from the rip, reburn it.
When you install using that it'll prompt for which version you want to end up with, so all the distros are actually the same bar the configuration.
Youngster... Make my head spin? :)
Jake, you are very personally attacking someone you don't even know, whose age you have missed by a mile, and whose experience level you have no way of properly gauging but you can safely assume from the history of your abjectly inept guessing that you're wrong. Why are acting like an old bully on the playground? Look at yourself man. What are you doing in the dirt on a comment forum!?
I on the other hand am absolutely pleased to meet you (if this is you,) respectfully tendered. Can you stop being a dick?
As to the word dignification, for this case use proximity. Save yourself the hassle of going through an unabridged dictionary.
MS wants 220$ to upgrade from vista ultimate to win 7 ultimate.
What is the big different ? don't know. it looks like sp3 for the vista OS.
why pay again for it ? who knows...
I'm staying with vista, b/c I've paid for it.
I won't pay for the sp3 (win7) upgrade, and on new computers, I use old XP license, and get superb performance.