DOH!
Been down for a few days, LITERALLY when 2 of our guys had finished a 800 mile journey on their bikes and were hoping to start collecting!
JustGiving.com website goes titsup after upgrade
Update: This story originally referred to JustGiving as a not-for-profit. It is not. Online charity outfit JustGiving has been hit by a series of major glitches since it launched a new website last Saturday morning. The organisation admitted deployment had been less than smooth and the site continues to have a number of “ …
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Tuesday 23rd June 2009 15:39 GMT jon_bedford
Latest news
The latest update on how the site is performing is up at http://blog.justgiving.com/2009/06/23/new-on-justgiving/update-on-the-new-justgiving-tuesday-23rd-june/
I should add again that we are very sorry that the new launch didn't go as smoothly as we had planned. We are fixing bugs as quickly as we can and we're trying to keep everyone up to date with our progress.
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 07:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
600,000 per day at 5% "admin fee" = ...
Interesting that they released the figure of GBP600,000 takings per day. Based on the fact they take a 5% admin fee (that's not conjecture, it's stated in their Ts&Cs) that's just shy of 11 million quid per annum in admin fees. Take off the credit card company's 2.5% processing fee (though I bet they have negotiated a better rate) that gives them 5.5 million quid per annum. From hereon in you can only guess how that divvies up between staff costs, other fixed costs like rent, and IT running costs, but surely must be a fair amount of "not profit" left over.
So what I hear you say? Fair point, I'll get my...
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 09:16 GMT Mr Lion
New justgiving website demonstrably worse
One thing which has gone uncommented so far...the new site is simply worse than the old one. There are a few stylistic things (I thought a thermometer was a much better way of showing how far I've gone to achieving my goal than a magic star) - however the one really key screwup they've made is that I used to be able to see *all* the donations on a page at once - now it shows a maximum of ten on any given page and users have to click "next" to get through each of the pages.
People look at who's donated what and typically decide how much to donate based on that. If the list doesn't show the bigger donations then people are likely to donate less. So they've (potentially at least) reduced the money which their charity customers raise.
Apart from the fact that it's a giant step back in web design - "you remember how much you used to love clicking "next" and "yes I really want to do this" when you used windows - well we can bring that experience to the web..." one assumes that the marketing people in the charity sector aren't on the marching powder so maybe that was thought up after some cider and particularly potent smokes...who knows but PLEASE FIX IT NOW!
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 09:16 GMT Ian Wilson
As an experienced performance tester...
To see the CTO give a quote of
"Load testing didn't accurately reflect the way it's being used in the live environment"
hardly surprises me, but is also pretty disappointing.
Given that the website has been around for some time and that therefore the usage profile is very well known, then its a pretty poor effort from JustGiving and should not have happened. Poor planning, poor testing - given how much they make (given the post by AC at 5:14) there is simply no excuse.
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 09:26 GMT Chris Harden
Not Profit? (@AC)
Who said Just Giving were a Non-Profit? Companies House seem to think they are a private limited company and they arn't in the GuideStar database so they arn't a CSO in this country. Nothing wrong with that of course, they do good work and thats all that matters.
I gotta feel for Just Giving - anyone who's worked in software dev has had a site blow on deployment and its just not fun - I hope your fixes go smooth and speedy.
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 10:11 GMT Anonymous Coward
JustGiving fees
are 5%, *plus* VAT, *plus* (particularly odiously) 1.4% if you tick the "I am a UK taxpayer" box, *plus* VAT on the 1.4%, *plus* credit card or PayPal charges. It's all right here: http://www.justgiving.com/info/fees/ - and it's why I stopped using them years ago.
JustGiving are not a charity - they are a for-profit company. Please update this article to reflect this.
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 13:25 GMT Kevin Bailey
My gues iss that the problems will continue
If they've use .NET then they've not used the best developers - that is shown by all the complaints about the usability.
.NET is one of those things where you initially think it is great - but the devil is in the details and they let it down.
And having had to work with .NET I can say that it's going to be extremely difficult to make copies and carry out any sort of testing - so they'll be trying to fix it in place. Then they will probably make things worse.
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 15:21 GMT Henry Wertz 1
not reassuring
"The CTO said database transactions were going through on the backend, and added that users can be assured that their donations were being received despite the ongoing errors on the website."
That's actually less reassuring. I would prefer a page either a) fail or b) succeed. NOT charge my card but then put up an error page.
I'm not going to hate on .NET as easy as that might be to do -- but I will comment that something like .NET, Java, etc., is probably not a great thing to be running on a high-traffic server.
(I know some large sites *do* use them, but throw lots of hardware at the problem.)
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Wednesday 24th June 2009 15:52 GMT Ian 54
Oops...
Their website says "We invest continuously to make JustGiving the best and most robust fundraising platform in the world, for the benefit of our member charities"
that'll have to change then, when they have the time..."we invest continuously to change Justgiving. Sometimes we get it horribly wrong, for which we are very sorry".
Seriously, can anyone explain the point of load testing that doesn't represent real-life use of the site? Did someone think "I know, I'll see if it can support 10% of our expected load and cross my fingers when it goes live"?
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