"You have metal rails running on metal tracks"
I'm no genius, but has anyone suggested using wheels,?
The Central Line platforms at Bank Tube station were yesterday closed for 90 minutes during the rush hour following "complaints that decibel levels from screeching rails were too high", the Evening Standard reports. City lawyer John Cooper told the paper: "We were all thrown out of the station. A member of staff told me it was …
Imagine inventing a transport system that relies on metal-on-metal action?
All those years it's been just fine, now this!
I'd sue, if he were still alive.
I'll bet if they put some leaves on the track that would fix it.
Oh, it's underground - no leaves.
That'll explain it.
I went through that station in the AM and the noise *WAS* significantly louder than normal - most people covering their ears as the trains came in. If it continued all day then maybe it did get to ear-bursting levels.
Why TFL couldn't do something about it earlier in the day is the big question. Maybe they like punishing us commuters by making us suffer during rush hour?
Maybe I hold an unpopular view, but I disagree that this is OTT.
In such an enclosed environment, and with such powerful machines thundering through, it's easy to understand why the dB(A?) levels need to be kept down.
As someone who suffers from tinnitis (mildly, luckily), I don't think these people appreciate the damage that loud noises can do.
Saying that, they don't say how loud it was, so it could be too cautious. I regular use Bank (Northern line) and find the screeching brakes unpleasantly loud - though I've never thought to complain or measure it.
I thought that closing vital transport links for flimsy reasons in the middle of rush hour was a Highways Agency speciality, but obviously I was wrong.
Isn't there somewhere we can send the hi-vis wearing jobsworths who seem to have infected so many positions of responsibility? Can we use them in the military to infiltrate enemy infrastructure as some kind of 'impotence cannon'?
The fan on my workmate's GPU makes a lot of noise. I told him to replace the whole graphics card, but he hasn't, because it's his "rush hour" and deadlines are approaching.
The likely consequences of this are obvious.
Closing the tube because it's "just making a noise"? Yeah that's obviously stupid because bad noises NEVER indicate an imminent failure.
I came through there on the Central Line yesterday afternoon, a little before 4pm, and it was certainly pretty loud inside the carriage. It was certainly more prolonged and noticeable than usual, on the bendy bit between there and Liverpool St.
Whether it was dangerously loud, I couldn't say from inside the train, but it was certainly irritatingly so. Reminded me of that bit in Deliverance...
Seems like business as usual in the capital of incompetence and nanny stateism where everything gets blown out of proportion by small men who feel that every minor issue they are dealing with is always the most important thing in the world, it might look crazy to an outsider but for a Londoner that's normal.
I remember once the whole Hanger Lane roundabout closed during rush hour by the police because of some minor car accident between two cars, with only bodywork damage...
No wonder I got fed up of it and moved far away from London!
The more usual screeching these days is the not unpleasant sounds of bankers haemorrhaging money.
The tube's always squealed here due to the fairly sharp curve and paranoia about safety is clearly getting the better of TFL. The size of the gaps at Bank are probably more of a threat to human life than a decibel of two.
Back in the my old days as a Station Foreman with London Transport. We would have been expected to have a bucket of grease in store and nip down onto the tracks between trains and apply it. That, however was never as issue as we had wooden sleepers in those days.
Yes Occupational Health and Safety has gone a bit far, but, if we had a passenger go under a train (one under). Our instructions were, do not contact emergency authorities, do not turn off the track power. Instead, go under the train and ascertain if the passenger were alive. If dead, drag the corpse (if possible) out from under the train and onto the platform. Then call emergency services. Why was of this so? To keep the trains running. Seemingly those silly interfering emergency services personnel would want to do stupid stuff like power the track down and use jacks to raise the train to get the corpse out and would take hours.
There is a place for today's OCHS but I do agree, the smoke and mirrors mob go too far sometimes.
To be honest, the screech from Central line tube trains at Bank is more than a mere annoyance. I've occasionally found is physically painful. On the other hand, they could have waited until after the rush hour to do that. Or before: it's a known problem so it's not as if it was a complete surprise.
Dunno about commuter Steve Cooper's auditory capabilities but judging by his comments I reckon he's a bit mutton. Either that or a lilly livered wuss. I was at Bank yesterday afternoon and the screeching was excruciatingly loud - so loud in fact that I had to put insert a digit or two in to my King Lears. Otherwise it was actually painful. So speaks a willing attendee at one of the loudest rock concerts ever, at Charlton in 1976 ....
Im sure they did think it was stupid, but are there any issues about overheating, vibration, wear an tear etc that means leaving it "broken" is not a good idea.
Would they take the same approach if the lift cables at work were making a lot of noise?
You would be amazed (or not) at amount of kit have had to bin over the years, or pay lots of money to get fixed because various people ignored it squeaking, smoking, clicking, crunching etc "because they were too busy/in a hurry"
Yes, on the face of it, it appears stupid and over-reactionary, but what about if they left it and some sue-happy-American waiting at the station successfully sued TFL for damaging their hearing?
Health and safety has gone mad, because of the blame and compensation culture which is starting to win over this side of the pond.
You could argue that that is a ridiculous suggestion, and they should have used common sense, but I wouldn't want to be the person who has to potentially put my neck and job on the line, and make that decision.
Well, I can imagine how that screeching would hurt your hearing. Having traveled on the BART in San Francisco daily for a couple of weeks, it definitely helped wearing earplugs for parts of the trip. Man, what a noise...
I know that in Amsterdam they experimented with setting up irrigation systems next to the tracks, to keep the tracks wet. Less screeching that way. Not sure if that was a permanent solution, though.
"We closed the platforms because passengers were reporting that they could hear a loud screeching sound. It does happen from time to time."
From time to time? I used to work in the City and live in Mile End, and heard that noise EVERY time I got the tube from Bank. It's an inherent "undocumented feature" of the fact that the Central Line platforms are on a tight bend.
Where's the "muppet" icon? I'll just have to choose the one that looks closest...
The rails and the wheels meet as 2 metal surfaces. As they heat up, eventually, the two surfaces could bind together. So you have a delay for 90 minutes, or wait until they become unusable and then the line is out of action for a couple of days / weeks, whilst they replace them both. So make the choice - which would you rather have?
(That's assuming of course that it doesn't cause an accident, kill 60-80 people, in which case it might be closed for a bit longer. )
Yes I know that a lot of people were late home - poor things. But at least you do have access to a public transport system. Where I live, there are 2 buses a day - one up in the morning, one down in the afternoon. It's five miles (yes miles) to the next bus stop.
Now of course, that doesn't excuse TfL; they should be better organised. But people get very complacent - far too many are happy to complain when things don't quite right, but they complain even loader when they go horribly wrong. And the loudest complaints come from those that wouldn't know the first thing about a trackway.
(From an ex-member of a volunteer Permanent Way gang, 1995-2001. Respects to Foggy, David H, Julie, the Padre and the rest of the crew. See you all in the chapel of the blessed Lethbridge again one day)
Or does he mean metal wheels running on metal tracks?
I thought rails and tracks were the same thing, even in your version of English.
(You might as well speak French with all those extra letters that you don't pronounce. Labour, harbour, cheque, colour, etc.)
Obviously he doesn't have tinnitus and is ignorant to the fact that certain pitched sounds for a long duration or at an elevated volme and/or very loud noise can make the tinnitus very bad for anywhere from an hour to an entire day, tiredness really doesn't help either. The only true rest from tinnitus a sufferer has is when they're asleep.
Even if you don't have tinnitus (or have it so mild you don't even know) then for some people certain high pitched loud sounds (like screeching wheels on tracks) can still be extremely unpleasant, especially if you're tired.
And just what was Stephen rushing home to? Eastenders and the sofa probably. Why is that commuters get so anxious and upset when their routine is broken? I rode the Tube immediate before and after the bungled 21/7 attacks, and it was a real adventure! Something different for a change!
bank station is located on a very tight bend and has to be constantaly greased to stop the horrible skreeching noise, but bank wasnt the ony station on my line last night just the worst. the station was closed as the noise WAS TOO HIGH, and in the day of constant litigation my company went with the guide lines for noise levels and shut the station. this also gave the staff the chance to get on the track without risk to the public so the line could be re instated much quicker. whilst this was happening the line was suspended for a short while in both directions, closing bank was a essential to prevent over crowdwing to protect the public from falling onto the tracks as no train could be brought into the platform whilst the greasing was done - trains were held in platforms either side whilst this happened - there is method to the madness if you look closely enough, before the greasing was complete trains had to run though the area at reduced speed - Automatic Train Operation was supended though the area causing yet more delays and over crowding - if they had ran full speed more noise would have been generated and without lubrication who knows what damage to the rails or trains could have occured....... need i say more...
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"How bad can it possibly be to disrupt thousands of people on their way home during rush hour?" Asked the angry city jerk.
I wonder if it drifted into his mind that unlubricated and unmaintained tracks might have consequences such as derailments and crashes, which would tend to make you very late indeed.
Fuck me was the screeching loud - I had to block my ears. Can only imagine what it was like for people on the platform.
It's because Bank has a curved platform and the trains dont like going anywhere but straight. So they have to use guide rails, which need lubrication.
They must be joking. Tubes have been absolutely painful to listen to around that corner where the platform is for as long as I can remember. I remember standing there about 15 years ago when a train came around fast and I had to put my fingers in my ears (along with most other passengers) and it still literally gave me a headache for the rest of the day.
I don't know what's more annoying, some fool suddenly notining it now and disrupting everyone's journey, or the fact it's taken them decades and probably many thousands of complaints to realise.
What's the difference between a lawyer and a plaice?
One's a scum sucking bottom dweller, the other one's a fish!
You have to watch this health and safety, it creeps up on you. As a health and safety consultant I have undertaken a risk assessment on behalf of London Underground.
1. Hazards - Noise, people (some of them cokernies) Trains, electric, those little black mice that entertain the folks waiting for delayed trains.......erm chance of getting a boner while crushed up against a blonde nimphette dressed in a red leather toga during rush hour
2. Risk - A lawyer/solicitor spotting any of the above - or a stealth and safety anorak spotting one of the above and passing this information to the aforementioned.
3. Persons at risk - who gives a shit about anybody else anyway? - no fucker on the tube!
4. Risk Factor - Off the dial
5. Controls to adopt. in order to avoid having anything to do with lawyers et all Take a bike.....oh no traffic/falling off...........bus.....no the muslims might blow it up.......walk.......muggers........astral plane.......now you are just being stupid.........Oh bollocks to this I'm moving to Shropshire!!!!
at least they bother to lube the rails in London. On the trains around the MiseryRail network up here, they can't be arsed, so we all get to go deaf as we trundle through the tunnel loop, stuck to our chewing-gum covered seats.
Mind you, they frequently can't be arsed running the trains either, especially on the Wirral Line, so that tends to keep the noise down a bit.
Her Ladyship, because even she could run a rail service better than MerseyRail, and she certainly wouldn't be tight with the lube ...
I wouldn't be in ANY hurry to get to there!
Despite being only 4 miles away I haven't been to Central Bas for some years.
Screeching...yes that station is always noisy. Then again the whole tube is squalid, noisy smelly and over crowded. Try the Paris Metro - it's fantastic. The trains run on rubber tyres I think. Cheap -efficient...if only I could commute from there!
... since I first started regularly travelling on the Central from Snaresbrook to the west end (and, later, from Liverpool St to Holborn) and the flanges always squealed at Bank. And if one was stood by the connecting door with the window down, it was often finger-in-the-ear loud, painfully loud. The difference is that back then nobody gave a shit if the passengers went deaf whereas today, they're scared shitless of being sued.
You'd think, given that section of line opened in about 1900, they'd have the problem licked by now. Surely there must be a better answer than smearing KY on the railhead.