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Sun Microsystems' rocky relationship with open source over Java is again in the spotlight, after it lost support of two influential groups for the latest update to enterprise Java. The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) has voted against Java Enterprise Edition (Java EE) 6.0 to register its protest in a long-running dispute over …


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  1. joe

    Poor Apache, there there

    Do you feel better? Good!

    Now stop F!@%'in whining! I agree with Sun, why do we need another JVM distributed by some other body? Just because the big G likes something about it doesn't mean the whole world needs another. Everybody knows building something with SUN JAVA doesn't mean that it will automatically run 100% on someone else's including yours. Hell, just moving an app from NIX to Windows to NUX is not guaranteed with all using the same version of the JVM directly from Sun.

    Ditch Harmony and work closer with the rest of the group. If you didn't try to fragment the JVM world Sun would be more approachable.

    Your stupidity and lack of vision of the big picture only helps Microsoft. Remember, the only other enterprise stack and platform? Fragmentation is what the OSS world needs more. If the OSS world was more focused on standardizing it would be much easier to reach deeper into the enterprise; yes right down to the desktop too! There is a fine line between innovation and standardization and we need both! Innovate to your hearts content but do it on a standard platform regardless of who distributes, steers and contributes to it.

    SO ASF get your head out of your ass and drop Harmony and get back to the table with everyone else. On another note, stop biting the hand that feeds, morons!

  2. amanfromMars Silver badge
    IT Angle

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    "Magnusson said he's forbidden from revealing what the licensing agreement is, but that Apache cannot pass on another company's terms and conditions in its own license" ..... "It looks like Sun's rigorous adherence to the law is also hurting the one thing the company holds so dear: compatibility."

    Those two statements raise National Security [as in maintenance of a Predominant Controlling Position] and Dual Use Virtual Technology Export issues which will always halt Progress and create a Divisive Conflict for Exclusivity and ye Ole Macho Folly, the Power Ego Trip.

    I wonder who is controlling Junior [Geir Magnusson Jr]? Which higher authority does he answer to ..... "Magnusson said he's forbidden from revealing what the licensing agreement is"?

    Doesn't he know that Sun Light is the best disinfectant and Transparent Global Peer Review removes all obstacles and hurdles to compatibility.

    And it is hardly likely to be of concern to Sun, unless they are two faced and "White man, he speak with forked tongue, Kemo Sabe", for the Network is the Computer and IT is a Global Village constantly Searching for ITs Noble and Worthy Leaders with Nothing to Hide and Bold enough to Show all that they've Got and can Use without Fear of Recrimination and as Bold as Brass.

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  3. Steve Loughran

    Its about embedding

    I'm a fan of openjdk -it comes with more source- but there's a lot to be said for harmony. It's more modular (OSGi), and easy to embed -not least because of the apache license.

    It's that embedding that is causing sun to change the rules about releasing the test kit -they don't want a non-GPL version that could be embedded into hardware. But look what google did -took some of the harmony code and came up with a new kind of VM; no need to pay sun money per client. Instead of sun managing to get cash from every phone (their dream), they've ended up supressing and fragmenting the market.

  4. maryho
    Paris Hilton

    Apache STFU

    I am so tired of Apache's whining. The code's GPL, if you want to go fork it, go freaking fork it. Stop whining. Get on with life. It's like you need to throw a tantrum just to get people to notice.

  5. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

    Christ Jesus @ joe

    "If you didn't try to fragment the JVM world Sun would be more approachable."

    Stop talking outta your nether regions and stop calling for abject obeisance and communist party style votes.If they have a beef with Sun's political or technical agenda, they can say so.

    "On another note, stop biting the hand that feeds, morons!"

    Because they are sponsoring the servers:

  6. Matt Bryant Silver badge

    Hope picking up all the toys takes a while!

    Not really sure who's to blame or who threw their toys out of the pram first, but maybe it will mean GPL'ing Java. That should hold them up for a while! Why? Well, because every Java install for years has seemed to grow in size at a quadratic rate, and STILL manages to be slower than mollasses. Yes, I want Java around to keep M$ in line, but can they please make it WORK better before they add in more unwanted and unneeded bloat?

    Anyway, Google will probably win any big argument simply by going and playing on their own.

  7. David Halko

    Design by Committee

    article says, "SpringSource blamed a process of 'design by committee'"

    Open Standards IS Design by Committee!


  8. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    The article's title should be: "SUN wins almost all of them!

    The vote speaks for itself:

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