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Sarah Palin raised a few eyebrows within the John McCain campaign because she didn't realize that Africa is a continent, according to aides whispering with a shamelessly right-wing news outlet. McCain aides told Fox News chief political correspondent Carl Cameron there was "great concern" within the campaign that Palin "lacked …


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  1. Anonymous Coward

    I do like a good rant


    Anonymous, because it woz me wot pranged er on it.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Errrrrr ...

    and why am I not surprised?

  3. Justin Case
    IT Angle

    Sorry, but

    Enough already! Sarah who?

    The election's been and gone. Like yesterday, man...

  4. Charles Manning

    The scary bit....

    is that so many still voted for her.

    I'd like to give Republican voters the benefit of the doubt though and think that they were voting against Obama rather than voting for McPalin.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton


    but who exactly chose her as a candidate then? I think the genius who suggested her needs outing as much as her lack of knowledge

    PH? Cos at least she knows where London is.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Perfect for President Material

    Lets not forget the GWB lasted a double term on probably even less knowledge. The American people get the president they deserve.

    The American public obviously do deserve more and luckily they now finaly realise it.

    Or maybe ignorance is a winning combination and McCain and Palin just got their roles reversed and messed up the winning formula?

    Paris because she probably knows more than Palin does. At least Paris has travelled the world. (Palin - world? You know that big round thing)

  7. James
    Paris Hilton

    Big deal...

    Half of America seems to think Europe is one as well.

    Charles Manning certainly has a point - and remember, this is the Obama who thought there were 57 states in the US, then wanted to go and make demands of the President of Canada. At least Palin's ignorance was of a *foreign* country...

    Paris, because she managed to come up with a more coherent energy policy than Obama, too.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up


    I'm happy to see her face for another week in order for the press to utterly destroy any credibility this woman may have ever had. This way we won't see her again in 4 or 8 years and she can disappear into the obscurity she so richly deserves.

  9. James Le Cuirot

    Blessed with the Holy Spirit

    I saw one video of some crackpots making statements about Obama being Muslim (uh huh...) and Palin being blessed with the Holy Spirit. No doubt she's blessed with something but it sure ain't the Holy Spirit.

  10. Anonymous Coward

    Potatoe ?

    Something about vice president candidates ?

    Dan Quayle anyone

  11. Fred

    Stop making fun of Sarah Palin ! She's a human being ! (of sorts)

    Palin shouldn't be made fun of. She obviously has suffered a massive cervical trauma and needs some neurological help. Or the probing went to far during her last abduction. Or she wasn't properly thawed after her latest rampage on moose and bears...

    Or maybe she should be put out of her misery (for our own sake).

    As said above, that in the US "she's at least as stupid and ignorant as I am" can be seen as worthwhile qualities in a potential leader is quite frightening.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    About puppets and Puppetmasters...

    Well given that it's clear that the president of the US and his vice are just puppets, while the real power is in the hands of others who control them through 'advisors', it doesn't really matter how ignorant the president is, actually for the powers behind the scenes an ignorant president is easier to manipulate than an intelligent one.

    Bush has been a good example for the fact that anyone, even someone who can't hold a sentence together without reading it from a screen, can be president...

  13. BillboBaggins
    Paris Hilton


    What exactly has a "cervical trauma" got to do with her being brain dead? Are you are saying that all women are not intelligent?


    You may have meant “cerebral trauma”?

    PH as she has probably had a blunt instrument used to cause a “cervical trauma”

  14. Josh

    At least

    At least Palin can probably tell the difference between APEC and OPEC... Just as long as she doesn't think it's GregoryPec.

  15. Hig Hurtenflurst
    Paris Hilton

    @ac 20:44 and Presidential Duties

    Douglas Adams* mentioned the point of a president is to draw attention away from power rather than actually wield it - though to be fair he was referring to the President of the Universe


    * Yes I know!

  16. adnim

    Give the woman a break

    She is smart enough to know that the world was created in six days that dinosaurs didn't exist and that it is perfectly acceptable to shoot and kill animals for fun.

  17. Vendicar Decarian

    RepubliKKKan Mental Retardation

    Ya, we have seen Dan Potato(e) Quayle, and Ronald (I forgot my name) Reagan, and Shoot em in the face Cheney, and now I didn't know Africa was a continent Palin, and of course George, put food on your family Bush Jr.

    The only people who would vote for such losers are even bigger losers themselves.

    Lets not forget that Reagan spend the last 4 years of his presidency delusional and forgetful - protected by his advisors. His Alzheimers condition was the only think that kept him from being impeached for his criminal Iran Contra involvement.

    More recently the current war criminal in the White House, was overdosing on Oxycotyn during his first 4 years in office, delusional, and speaking to Gawad.

    During these last 4 years in office Bush was switched to Ritalin as his drug of choice.

  18. Ron Christian
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    Republican party self-destructs

    Evidence is starting to come out that these allegations are coming from McCain aids "getting back" at Palin for not following the script during the campaign. McCain made a sharp left turn to go for the "squishy middle" vote (a proven loser, which is another story) but had to have a conservative as veep to avoid losing the Republican party's conservative base. (For non-Americans, "Republican" and "conservative" are not synonymous. There are liberal Republicans (called RINOS) -- more, lately -- and conservative Democrats (called "Blue Dog"). Very few political issues are black-and-white.) Whatever one might think of conservatives, Palin truly is one, and McCain is not.

    So McCain said carefully crafted things designed to appeal to the middle-left, and Palin spoke her mind instead of her cue cards, and the McCain campaign got pissed off. The goal of a few Republican middle-wigs and former McCain campaigners now appears to be to spoil Palin's future chances of running for anything more lofty than her present position as Alaska's governor. (A politician telling an outright lie to a news organization -- who woulda thunk it?)

    I'm currently registered Democrat, (voted for Hillary in the primaries) and will probably go back to Libertarian now, but it's apparent even to me that the Republican party is in terrible disarray, caused primarily by a bunch of old fogeys who won't lead and won't get the hell out of the way. A bunch of entrenched lifetime politicians and their flappers who don't know how to be anything other than the minority party. A party that thinks fielding boring codgers like Bob Dole and John McCain as presidential candidates is a good idea.

    Younger, more vital and articulate Republicans are naturally going to run into trouble with their party's machine, and we're seeing some of that here. For the party to ever have a prayer of being relevant again, it needs to be cored and rebuilt. The next election will be fought in the primaries, and if the old school prevails, the 'Pubs will field another tepid loser.

    There are a few people fighting back:

  19. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    It's over. Let's move on! Please!


  20. Anonymous Coward
    Dead Vulture


    And what do you reckon history will claim as the excuses for self-confessed "religious nutter" and hopefully soon to be tried war crinimal Tony Bliar, and his third time lucky crony Mandelson?

    Where's the "hang em high" icon? Will Paris do? OK, a gravestone it is then.

  21. Webster Phreaky

    Cade (what hell kind of name is that!?), Cheap Shot story writer ..

    ...certainly no "journalist", doesn't bother noting that all this shit is coming from the lefty fringe of the JOHN MCCAIN election group THAT LOST AN ELECTION TO AN ADMITTED SOCIALIST, admitted Coke and other drug user, who cavorts with American Anarchists, Socialists and Black Racists and with who told all the idiots in America that he WILL raise your taxes!! You have to be F*&king Morons to lose to Obama ... which is what they ARE and are now trying to - 1) find a patsy, 2) keep Palin, a REAL CONSERVATIVE, from becoming the conservative ranks cover girl because SHE IS MORE POPULAR (the huge crowds ARE THE PROOF) than McCanned was!

    These center-left leaning "RINO" A-holes that McCanned is a big part of ,are afraid of losing their authority in the Republican Party to someone like Palin .... who is a hell of a lot smarter than Cade and all the other a-holes in the lefty media.

    So you going to censor this too, Reg jerks?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "By the people, for the people"

    Odd that the Republicans of all people should buy into "government by the people, for the people" and pick a bigoted and staggeringly ignorant Hockey Mom as a representative representative [sic].

  23. Graham Lockley

    Truth is ... ?

    'Fox News'

    Sorry but at that point all credibility flew out the window, Palin has just gone up a few points in my estimation purely because of the 'source'.

    Lies, damn lies and Fox

  24. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Black Helicopters


    @ "all this shit is coming from the lefty fringe of the JOHN MCCAIN election group THAT LOST AN ELECTION TO AN ADMITTED SOCIALIST"

    As Kurtz used to say:

    "The Horror. The Horror!"

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Reg jerks

    You missed one.

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    None of the Republicans

    I know picked da Hawkey Marm to be VP. That was done by advisors who likely aren't much brighter than she is. In the entire GOP group running for president the brightest of the lot were very likely Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. Romney was sunk because the religiosity vote was split and Paul was far too honest.

    That said, Obama had promise until he picked Joe "Uber Nanny" Biden. Seriously, Biden isn't any prize either. This is a guy who wants to control damn near every aspect of your life. He was one of the large group who voted to make it easier to walk away from a mortgage than file for bankruptcy, not that it was the straw that broke the credit camel's back... it's more like the IED that blasted the poor camel in thirty two.

    There is just one overarching question, who is a racist misogynist to vote for?

  27. DrewHew

    @James, Webster Phreaky & Ron Christian

    James, Ron Christian and Webster Phreaky - that's President Obama to you.


    Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. Moss Icely Spaceport

    Obviously God didn't see it their way....

    Looks like all that fundie praying up there in Wasilla came to naught.


  29. Anonymous Coward

    good news this...

    The dumb tart will probably confuse the date of the next election as a tad after 10 past 8 in the evening and completely forget to run next time.

  30. Frumious Bandersnatch

    Webster Phreaky

    You really are gunning for that FOTW gong, aren't you?

  31. jake Silver badge

    cervical trauma

    > What exactly has a "cervical trauma" got to do with her being brain dead?

    Well, her head is clearly planted in her nether regions ... Why anyone, anywhere (other than in Alaska, where men are men and critters run scared) would be even remotely attracted/interested in the useless bimbo is beyond me ... McCain needs his head examined. Or to drift into obscurity, which ever comes first.

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Webster Phreaky for FotW!

    No, not "flame" - "fuckwit".

    I knew WP was a certifiable loon, but now I have confirmation that he's also a moron.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    Surely that should be "President Elect"? I was under the impression that the title of "President" comes once having been sworn in?

  34. Norfolk Enchants Paris
    Paris Hilton


    I have to pull you up on this one---

    "(Palin - world? You know that big round thing)"

    She thinks it is flat.

    Paris - because unlike Palin's world, she IS flat.

  35. Anonymous Coward


    "...doesn't bother noting that all this shit is coming from the lefty fringe of the JOHN MCCAIN election group..."

    So what? They're still Republicans, and she's a dangerously parochail liability to a party that wants to get elected.


    Why in pity's name is admitting to being a socialist worthy of capital emphasis? You fling the word about like it's an insult and a crime. Do you even know what it means? How broad a Church it is? Or are you as ignorant as the woman you are incoherently trying to defend?

    "...admitted Coke and other drug user..."


    "...who cavorts with American Anarchists..."

    Serving on committees with a man whom the Republicans put in control of all the social good works in his district hardly counts as covorting.


    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    "...who told all the idiots in America..."

    And the clever people as well as you, Webbie baby.

    "...that he WILL raise your taxes!!..."

    O Noes! More taxes!

    Just cos you think it's wrong doesn't make it so.

    "...You have to be F*&king Morons to lose to Obama..."

    Or a moron to fail to realise that there are other factors involved.

    "...which is what they ARE..."

    I sense the noise of vessels for the heating of liquids...

    "...and are now trying to - 1) find a patsy..."

    A patsy for what? Evey single stupid moronic mistake the campaign made?

    "...2) keep Palin, a REAL CONSERVATIVE, from becoming the conservative ranks cover girl because SHE IS MORE POPULAR (the huge crowds ARE THE PROOF) than McCanned was!..."

    More popular with the ranks of the drooling 'tards who would've voted "McCanned" if he'd stood on the hustings painted blue with feathers coming out of his ass, maybe. But Palin was a large chunk of the Republicans losing that election: the States no longer has a majority of rednecks, and the non-redneck Reps wouldn't touch Palin with *yours*. Elections are won and lost in the middle ground, not by persuading your core constiuency to vote for you. If they are havering, then you're already in deep, deep trouble and you can forget winning.

    "...These center-left leaning "RINO" A-holes that McCanned is a big part of ,are afraid of losing their authority in the Republican Party to someone like Palin..."

    Because with Palin at its head, the only way the Republican party gets a President is to stage an armed coup.

    " .... who is a hell of a lot smarter than Cade and all the other a-holes in the lefty media..."

    Hahahahahahaha. Ah-haha ahaahahhaha.

    You twat.

    "...So you going to censor this too, Reg jerks?"

    If you had any sense at all you'd've censored it yourself, but no, lacking the capacity for critical reasoning or any internal censor, you vomit your dogma (look it up; it doesn't mean "bitch") and parochial ignorance for us all to ridicule.

  36. Simon Coyne

    Sounds to me

    Like she was a perfect fit for the folks that still think Fox is a News Channel. Now, where's the evil Murdoch icon??

  37. JayB

    Old News

    Not entirely sure whether I like Obama, but McPalin just scared hell out of me. Talk about a bunch of illterate psychos!!! Also, did we really want another mentally unstable, gun toting OAP fucking around with "world diplomacy"? Much as I hate to say it, the actions of the Yanks internationally does affect us here in Blighty (negatively mostly).

    Webby's off his meds again I see!

    Umm, Weeby, you do realise that those "huge crowds" are a) paid for and b) just more brainwashed clueless tits like yourself who slavishly devote themselves to someone who is, frankly, dumber than a houseplant and not as attractive as the Republicans who like to believe.

    On second thoughts, if President Obama upsets Webby that much, I think I kinda like the dude!!

  38. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    re: Sorry, but

    1. That is why you yanks have some ongoing problems. Your memory is 4-8 years tops. She 'll be back.

    2. I see nothing wrong with her not knowing all that. This was why she was chosen and it was the votes McCain and co were going for - the votes of Dumbf*ckistani voters as directed by their Bible-thumping Evangelico-Taleban elders. Have you ever seen a collection of "map of the world" drawings as drawn by American kids from the midwest? Methinks you should. It is an eye opening and highly educational experience. Anyway, she was chosen for "being one of them". Thankfully, the election also showed that "them" are finally on their way to become a minority.

    As Leonard Cohen used to say: "Democracy is coming to the USA". Let's hope it is not for a day.

  39. Ascylto

    Same Party

    The 'Hockey Mom', gun-totin', Alaskan is in the same party as The Shrub, Yes?

    So what's new?

  40. Nemo Metis
    Paris Hilton

    @ Webster Phreaky

    So he admitted using cok, being a Socialist and whatever else - who cares? Really?

    At least he's admitted to these things rather than hid them away. Unlike McCain, who is addicted to fuck knows what and how many different drugs. You know, the ones he gets fom his addicted wife?

    All i can say is tough fucking shit, the rest of the US have spoken, and in my eyes made the better choice, no lets hope that, despite how much he sound like a former UK politician 11 years ago, that he doesn't follow in said fool's footsteps and deliver.

    Unless he starts world war 3, he really can't be too much worse than Bush, so quit whining.

    As for Palin, shouldn't she go back to where she belongs, aka her grave?

    Paris, because (as has been mentioned) at least she's travelled, and knows somethings. Should have voted for her......

  41. Steve

    @ James

    "At least Palin's ignorance was of a *foreign* country..."

    Actually, James, Africa is a continent and not a country - which is kind of the whole point.

  42. James


    Its always nice to read something that makes you laugh in the morning, makes the day go faster!

  43. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)


    Webster - get to fuck.

    The rest of you - for chrissakes stop encouraging him.

    Eff eff ess.

  44. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    America is all the world you need

    You'd be hard put to find an American who doesn't think that the world ends at the US border.

  45. Anonymous Coward


    Our own (UK) Government doesn't seem to know that Europe isn't just one country.

    @Webster Phreaky

    CAN only ASSUme that youR coMMent is a PaRody.

    No-one can be as bigoted & stuPidas thAt.

    Can you SaraH??

  46. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    @Perfect for President Material

    'At least Paris has travelled the world. (Palin - world? You know that big round thing)'

    HERETIC, everyone knows God made the world flat in 7 days, no, wait, that was GWB, he's tried to make it flat with daisycutters, umm, hang on, was it God created daisycutters in 7 days, I'm confused now.....

    Paris, because I think she would have gotten McCain (can anyone take a president seriously if he's got frozen fries named after him?) more votes and I'd rather be naylin her than Paylin..

  47. michael


    techniley it is president elect not president till he is sworn in and has kicked the current loser out of the white house in jan

    the worst part of this story when I read it was the comment in the last line of the paper I was reading saying "aids have urged her to run for the presidency in 2012" shudder

  48. Anonymous Coward


    Webster, dear boy, you've never met a REAL Socialist, have you? They're an endangered species. Go out and look for one before it's too late.

    Oh, hang on, you probably don't have a passport...

  49. John

    @Webster Freaky

    >all this shit is coming from the lefty fringe of the JOHN MCCAIN election group

    and reported by that well known left leaning instrument of truth, Fox News.

  50. richard
    IT Angle

    knowledgeability? does webster have this?

    can anyone confirm that this is a word? poor webster crying again, now he doesn't like apple or obama....not your week is it old boy?

    and fox 'news' - is this still owned by murdoch? along with quality red tops 'the sun' and NOTW'

  51. TimNevins

    The election was thrown just like it was in 2004

    Everything from the choice of candidate President and Vice-President through to press releases was engineered so that the GOP would fail. It was carefully planned and orchestrated failure by design.

    A Pres candidate was chosen who was at the end of his political career. This would ensure his future career was not jepordised and he would have no incentive to renege on his planned failure.

    Next step after spending 26 years in politics he chose a complete novice as his running mate. Someone with whom he has had no experience working with. If you are going to play a game of doubles in tennis/badminton you would choose someone you know you can work with. Not a complete stranger.

    Witness Palin's reaction on election night(She was laughing) and McCains very rapid concedement speech early on in Election night. Does this sound like people who fought tooth and nail to win?

    So why did the Reps want to lose so clearly?

    Easy. The financial bill for Agfa/I-Rq is coming due. The economy is going into a 2nd Depression that's going to make the 30's Depression look like the 50's Boomtime. Peak Oil is around the corner, mass jobs exodus offshore is going lead to severe social uprising issues at home.

    To put this simply. If you made the biggest mess in history what would you like to do? Spend years fixing it yourself or let some other chump do it?

    Check and Mate.

  52. Anonymous Coward

    Don't worry

    As South Park showed us, she's just faking it so that Obama and McCain can steal a diamond.

  53. Nameless Faceless Computer User
    Thumb Down

    Why are we still talking about Palin?

    Why are we still talking about Palin? Because our ultra-conservative news media has suddenly ran out of Republicans. It's pathetic. They're already asking her about running for President in 2012. She will never again get so close, unless she goes back and learns some basic geography. Nah, not even then.

  54. David Cornes

    The idiots in charge

    What scares me so much about this woman is, yes she thankfully never became Veep, but she now goes back to her old job of RUNNING A STATE. Fuck me, admittedly not a heavily populated one, but still she'd scare me pouring coffee in a diner!

    Regarding Dubya, I heard a cool quote on Newsnight the other night: "forgotten, but not gone" :-D

  55. Red Bren

    @Sarah Bee

    Moderator, moderate thy self!

    And post the pictures...

  56. Anonymous Coward

    So much anger from all

    Maybe you should all go and watch "Mr Smith goes to Washington", with Jimmy Stewart.

  57. DrewHew

    @ All Pedants

    That's President Obama to you's too!!!!!!!!!!



  58. Jake

    Fear of Palin.

    This whole episode trashing Palin comes from only one place. FEAR, PURE FEAR. Fear of a true American female of the old type. Self confident, mother, leader, protector of her family, her nation, the female gender, and the man she stands beside. While not one of you liberal jerks don't seem to remember that obama did not even know that we don't have 57 states, and biden knows even less other than attacking our President Bush over the last 6 years, Sarah Palin stood fast and told the truth about obama, biden and their tire old worn out mantra of the democrat vote buying bull that I have heard for the last 50 years in EVERY political campaign for national office. Promises never never kept, cannot EVER be accomplished. Tired and tiresome bull from the liberals. Proudly Sarah and McCain stood far above that empty rhetoric and pronounced truth.

  59. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: Fear of Palin.

    Damn right we were scared of Palin. She's an appalling dead-eyed zealot who came close (ish) to being one of the most powerful people in the world. So, um, I fail to grasp your point.

    *adjusts specs, blinks, smiles winsomely*

  60. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward



    you can bet its pure fear, the fear of her getting anywhere near the 'button' if she became president.

    Someone with as little knowledge of the world around her as Palin being anywhere near the presidency would quite simply be flat out dangerous.

    ....dubya has done a horrendous amount of damage to the standing of the USA since he has been in power, Palin would have completely destroyed it...

    Incidentally the large majority or readers here would have had no objection to a female is clear from the election result, that anyone born and raised in the USA can stand up and be elected president (without color or gender being a factor) should they have the correct skills for the time at hand...

    for what its worth, McCain showed that he was a decent kind of guy (especially with his speech at the end), his campaign team however should be shot, and his choice of running mate has proven to be a fatal error for his bid to become president.

  61. Daniel B.


    You *did* read that this came from *McCain's* campaign aides? No "eeevil liberal socialists" are attacking her. It's friendly fire!

    Now, I'm tempted on mocking Webster Phreaky (he earned it ever since he stated that Mexicans aren't Latin Americans anyway) but I'll heed the Moderatrix's advice. :)

  62. jake Silver badge

    Again, lest y'all missed it ...

    The lower case jake and the upper case Jake are two different entities.

    That is all. As you were.

  63. kain preacher


    While not one of you liberal jerks don't seem to remember that obama did not even know that we don't have 57 states

    Show me proof.

    @Ms Bee Omg you said a naughty word

  64. Geoff Kennedy

    @kain preacher

    Of course we do:

    51) Canada

    52) Mexico

    53) Australia

    54) New Zealand

    55) UK

    56) Afghanistan

    57) Iraq

  65. jake Silver badge

    @kain preacher

    >While not one of you liberal jerks

    Me? Liberal? Hell no!

    I hate all politicians equally. They are all a bunch of thieving scumbag liars.

    All I know is that voting for a third party is a waste of a vote in our current system, so I had to pick the best of a bad lot ... and that I'd rather have a teacher of Constitutional law in the oval office than an willfully, stubbornly, and intentionally ignorant parochial hick a heartbeat away from having control of the nation's military.

  66. kain preacher

    @Geoff Kennedy

    Mexico does not count as the do what they want. Afghanistan and Iraq has not worked out so well, so I say they are more or less territories. So I disagree with you. It's only 54 states .

  67. Anonymous Coward

    @Fred - oh come on!!!!

    "Palin shouldn't be made fun of. She obviously has suffered a massive cervical trauma "

    The last thing I need is for you to get me thinking about Sarah Palin's cervix, and just before I go to bed too. ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

  68. Greg Trocchia


    >>Half of America seems to think Europe is one [a country] as well.

    A notion shared by a majority of the Eurocrats, judging by what I read in the Economist...

    -Mine's the one with "Livin' in the USA" in the pocket

  69. elderlybloke

    Fear of Palin -by Jake

    I think your post should be read while the Battle Hymn of the Republic is sung by a massed Choir of Mormons.

  70. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Justin Case - you forgot

    Says Justin Case (if he remembers): "Enough already! Sarah who?

    The election's been and gone. Like yesterday, man..."

    Y'see, this eagerness not to learn from your experience is classic American.

    Just for once - look back, learn something, be wiser.

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