Aha!
So all I have to do to abolish capital punishment in the United States is to keep editing the Wikipedia entry on "cruel and unusual punishment"?
Sweet!
Online cult decides federal court case
Jimbo Wales and his worldwide online cult are now deciding federal court cases. Over at the Seventh US Court of Appeals in Chicago, a three-judge panel recently settled a long-standing legal battle by shamelessly citing an entry on Wikipedia. And as you might expect, the entry was edited after the case went to trial. The case …
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 05:11 GMT JC
@Rich
If wear and tear doesn't consider failure while the equipment is used in a proper manner, then someone is always left holding the bag when the well-worn rental equipment eventually and inevitably fails. Then the company renting it has no incentive to ever maintain it or replace it until they can knock up some customer for the bill.
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 05:11 GMT Anonymous Coward
'F'
My children have been taught that Wikipedia is absolutely never an acceptable citation for a paper. If it is used at all, then every single fact must be fully verified with multiple independent sources that do not themselves cite Wikipedia (ie. it's not worth using Wikipedia in the first place). Wikipedia as a source gets an instant 'F' for the children. For judges it ought to mean instant termination of employment and disbarment.
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 08:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Fail?
"...every single fact must be fully verified with multiple independent sources that do not themselves cite Wikipedia (ie. it's not worth using Wikipedia in the first place)..."
So it's okay if Wikipedia cites the independent sources? So using wikipedia as a kind of citation index is okay? So it *is* worth looking at Wikipedia to see if it can suggest any original sources.
Yes, there are some execrable entries where corrupt people push their agenda, but there are also a *lot* of useful ones. No it's not "authoritative", but it can often point you at the authorities, even if it's only one side of the argument (but that's usually evident).
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 10:26 GMT Tom
Right decision, wrong reasoning
Webster's does just fine in allow the judge to toss the case. Failure of the sort covered by the Damage Waiver is not the sort that occurs during "ordinary usage" as listed in Webster's.
Sadly, I don't have standing to press for the Judge's impeachment on the grounds that he is incompetent.
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 11:28 GMT Adam Foxton
@Not worth using Wikipedia
If you were going to write a biography of George Bush or whatever then you're probably correct.
However, many of their technical entries are fantastic. Earlier today on the bus today I managed to figure out why some stuff at work wasn't working- and ended up linking through to torque converters and related stuff. So I now know the principles behind automatic gearboxes!
Nowhere else on the Internet has such a big collection of useful articles and so on. Yes, you should be wary of it- especially on pop-culture or controversial stuff or anything that doesn't cite a reasonably reputable source (and you check it's not taken out of context or otherwise screwed with). But to dismiss it as useless is just stupid.
@RiAssA AC
That'd be fantastic- "and to prove this case I'd like to prove that I'm
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 13:43 GMT John H Woods
Authoritative?
Yes you should be wary of stuff in Wikipedia. But you should be wary of stuff in Encyclopedia Brittanica or MSN Encarta as well.
I think the Judges were probably citing Wikipedia as an example of how the phrase is commonly understood, and that citation in this context seems to me to be perfectly reasonable. In contrast, believing that a dictionary gives an authoratitive rule as to what a word means in common parlance is utter stupidity.
If someone says "what are you inferring" we know that they are likely to mean "what are you suggesting" --- we do not rely on the dictionary definiton to conclude that they must be asking what logical implications we are deducing (we may, of course, act in this manner to demonstrate to the asker our intellectual superiority).
Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that 'anyone can edit' as El Reg never tires of reminding us. But the opinions of anonymous or unknown people _are_ useful: internet based product reviews, el reg comments, blog postings are all good input, for the open but sceptical mind.
Anybody who thinks entry X in wikipedia must be false because it doesn't quite tally with entry X in Chambers dictionary -- without even considering what entry X is -- is a moron. Similarly, anyone who thinks these judges did not have a clue what to think until they read Wikipedia really needs to reboot their brain.
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Wednesday 6th August 2008 19:57 GMT Stevie
Wear and Tear Not Synonymous With Damage
Yes, in fact, it is, rather.
Wear and tear is non-catastrophic damage suffered in the reasonable deployment of an item in its expected mode of use.
If I rent a Sawzall (look it up) and it bring it back with a scuffed power cord, scratches on the case and a ding or two in the business end, that would be wear and tear. These tools are expected to do rough duty in tool-hostile jobs (like tearing out a house wall).
If it had a hole in the case from where I had used it to bash in a protruding nail, it wouldn't be wear and tear, since it isn't a hammer.
I like tools. I hate the yoyos that rent them from Home Depot and f*ck them up because they are dumber than a bag of hammers.
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