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2008 is proving to be a banner year for Linux distributions; so far we've seen Ubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9, both of which go a long way toward making Linux painless for newbies. You can now add OpenSUSE, the community-driven sequel to Novell's SUSE Linux distribution, to the list of significant releases. Version 11.0 of OpenSUSE …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    Fonts

    The fonts still look the same - i.e. crap. Although at least the clock isn't rendered using that hideous 80s digital font and coloured bright green, as is the default in some distros. I find it both hilarious and ironic that a common mod for linux is to ditch the usual wiry, poorly rendered offerings and install Windows TrueType fonts.

  2. Colin Guthrie
    Linux

    Mandriva

    It's a shame you didn't mention Mandriva 2008.1 Spring in your opening gambit.

    It's release has resulted in some very favourable reviews and it is, in my biased opinion, one of the more polished distros out there!

    Well done to Suse tho'. This also looks like another good step for the Free software community at large :)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    RE: Fonts and Nvidia

    The latest agfa fonts that come with OpenSuse 11 aren't bad at all, almost Windows TT compatible - I never bothered installing Windows fonts of OpenSuse 10.3 and I doubt I will here too.

    Bit of the error in the article - the Nvidia drivers are as easy to Install as the other non-oss software mentioned on Page 1.

    Its a One-Click YAST Meta Install available at http://en.opensuse.org/Nvidia#openSUSE_10.3_and_openSUSE_11.0

  4. Justin Case
    Paris Hilton

    @Fonts

    I am so tired of the FUD about Linux fonts - take an early bath, Anonymous Coward.

  5. Shinku
    Stop

    Re: Fonts

    That's one complaint I have about most Linux distros I've tried - if only they used better fonts it'd look so much better. I dislike Ubuntu's default brown theme but if you just change the fonts it looks a million times less... err... amateurish. It's simple things like that which put me off of Linux, it could so easily be fixed... even some of the fonts provided (but not used in the UI) would be a ton better.

    Come on guys, you want Linux desktops, you gotta put some effort into making them look usable.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    I wondered why downloads from opensuse.org were so slow---

    ---when I tried to download 10.3 a couple hours ago.

    And now I'm left wondering why 11 wasn't (and still isn't as of five minutes ago) on the download page.

  7. Ashlee Vance (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: I wondered why downloads from opensuse.org were so slow---

    I believe it officially goes on the download page tomorrow.

  8. Thomas Silver badge

    Re: fonts

    At least part of the problem with wireness, etc, is that the various Linux camps seem to want to emulate Microsoft's extremely heavy-handed font hinting in their default installs, but the hinting programs included in the free fonts aren't up to much. I recently tried Ubuntu and found that turning ClearType-style subpixel drawing on and hinting off gave a much more acceptable look. Though still a little rubbish against OS X's brilliant typography. They seem to beat Microsoft on important things like more universal pair kerning that long time computer users have been trained not to be so fussy about but people that often work with printed media are slightly put off by, even if they can't explain why.

  9. Doogie Howser MD
    Linux

    Hmm..more Novell bashing!

    Nice review, but I am getting a little tired of the Novell bashing whenever SUSE is mentioned. So what they have a deal with Microsoft? It's helping get Linux into places it wouldn't have gotten before.

    Also, Novell pay the bills of open source folks such as Meeks, Reveman (XGL creator), Friedman, Bockover etc, guys who really contribute and have visionary ideas. Get off Novell's case or pick on Red Hat and Canonical as much. No-one's perfect, but would Linux be where it is now without Novell? I think probably not.

    If you dislike Microsoft (like me) and you are ethically opposed to any dealings with them, choose another distro. That's the beauty of open source. As for me, I want a good distro backed up by a healthy community and support for my business platforms as and when I need it. Novell can do that for me.

  10. Pete Silver badge

    biggest advantage over ubuntu

    ... is that it lets you log in and work as ROOT.

    None of this nannying around with sudo every time you want to do something significant.

  11. Cavehomme
    Paris Hilton

    Pretty OS

    This is good news indeed.

    I tried 10.3 and got stuck with RPM and all that cr@p. Obviously I had no time to read any manuals in my desperation to get off XP SP3 which had screwed up my home network completely!

    Whilst I ended up with Ubuntu 7.10 (after downgrading from the un-ready 8.04), it really is, sorry to say, aimed at a bunch of computer newbies who have never seen the light of XP in Africa or wherever else they live, or are unfortuantely so poor that they run old kit and can't afford Windows - or the kit can't run a decent distribution of Linux. Cluncky ubuntu or what !!??

    Now that Novell 11 is out, I look forward to it's ease of use for this 30-year-experienced-IT guru (really an idiot - me).

    Otherwise I might just go for the very pretty Freespire and ignore their lack of decent extra apps via their cr@p and commercial CNR site.

    As for Mandriva - its nearly as expensive as XP !!!

    Paris, because I am sure she would like a pretty-looking free OS like Freespire so she can watch her videos in privacy - no danger of spyware grabbing them and uploading them to You Tube for the world to see. she can then spend the buks saved on Freespire by renting me as her Linux boy.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Woohoo!!! The installer is the slickest setup app this side of Mac OS X

    OMG!!!! I'm going to install SUSE over and over just to take in the installer! WTF do Linux reviews always concentrate so much n the installer? Who gives a crap? Ubuntu have got it right, launch to live CD then double click an application to get stuff copied to the HDD. I mean seriously, who gives a crap about the installer, you see it once.

    Paris Hilton because even she knows how to install Linux on a three year old Toshiba laptop, and dual boot it with XP and futhermore Paris Hilton because she also knows all Linux will fail except Ubuntu.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    re: Mandriva

    Quote:

    As for Mandriva - it's nearly as expensive as XP !!!

    They're giving XP away for free now??? Microsoft must be worried ....

    http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_Reviewers_Guide#Don.27t_fall_for_the_myths

  14. Thomas Guymer
    Thumb Up

    openSUSE

    I've used openSUSE for the past 3 years and I look forward to using openSUSE 11. openSUSE is certainly one of the most polished OSs out there, well done Novell!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The installer is the first thing you see

    and the attention span of the average PC bod is such that if the installer is sh*t and the OS is brill, tough look, the OS gets no votes.

    I've been a Linux user of various distros since RH4 Suse 8 some Mandrake I forget and a few others too. Suse is the one that I keep coming back to, and the one that I will recommend to others who may ask.

    Hopefully 11 will be a continued improvement on 10.3, which wasn't bad at all.

  16. Richard Brown
    Boffin

    RE: Woohoo

    Both of OpenSUSE 11's live CD's (Gnome and KDE 4 flavours) have the ability to do an Ubuntu style install (including the pretty stuff seen in the screenshots).

    The only downside of that approach is the Live CD has an Ubuntu-like restricted set of packages, and not the everything+kitchen-sink amount of packages that the DVD release has.

    Personally, I've disliked my experiences with Ubuntu, which I found limited my abilities to do what I wanted, from the nonsense with Sudo, to the smaller selection of packages available.

    Choosing a distro is always going to be a case of personal taste, but I think OpenSuse 11, LiveCD or DVD, is going to be right up there with Ubuntu, if not an Ubuntu beater.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    @ AC- WhooHoo

    As linux comes to the masses so the trolls come to linux ...

    Ubuntu has lot wrong with it, anyone with the slightest experience of multiple linux distros would recommend either Mandriva or OpenSuse above Ubuntu. Getting the installer right is pretty critical if you don't want people to give up on the distro before they've even started.

    Ubuntu have the installer very wrong, it's painfully slow and memory hungry compared to other distros which skip the whole live CD business.

    Ubuntu is just the flavour of the month, a fashion accessory and it's strongest advocates are those who have come from distros like Debian, Gentoo and Fedora (or newbies). It's popularity won't last once people experiment with other, better distros. I hate the distro wars, I'm waiting for the time when instead distros start merging themselves combining the best features of each, Ubuntu may bring something of value to that super-distro, but less than most.

  18. V.Srikrishnan

    Slackware+ICEWM rulez....

    unashamed fanboy....

    others distros with silly pop up balloons and clickety pointy nonsense are for wimps who bellyache constantly about fonts..

  19. PReDiToR
    Thumb Up

    Thank you

    Wow, for a site that likes to call us open sauce weenies and freetards, I was rather pleased to see this fair, interesting and unbiased review of the operating system that I will be installing tomorrow when it is released. I'm on 10.3 now.

    Can we have more articles that don't treat us like scum-sucking bottom feeders? After all, we're not journalists ...

    I read El Reg daily, but I imagine a lot of people don't because of the bias of most of the contributors against FOSS.

  20. Josef
    Linux

    RE: biggest advantage over ubuntu

    Well, you can set up a root account in Ubuntu in no time - just open the terminal, type "sudo su", enter your password and you are running as root. Then just type "passwd" and create a standard root account...

  21. Jay
    Coat

    YaST

    YaST = Yet another SHITTY Tool we are going to force you to use like it or not.

    Mine is the one with the CentOS and Ubuntu boot cds to nuke all the SuSE installs

  22. Wolf

    Does OpenSuse support Wubi installs?

    I only use Linux to test PAWS cross-platform ability. Hardy Heron's wubi install lets me do that without the hassles of partitioning, it's a lot like the last version of BeOS that way.

    Do any of the other major distros have that, or just HH?

  23. DrXym Silver badge

    Re: biggest advantage over ubuntu

    You can work as root in Ubuntu if you want. It's not hard to enable either. They've chosen to hide it because for the majority of users there is absolutely no reason whatsoever they need to run as root, and if they do... well they'll know how to enable it for themselves.

    Most dists are still stuck in the mindset that people need their all-powerful root. So ingrained is it that virtually every dist will ask you for a root password during installation, but creating regular users is optional. This encourages unsafe computing so its no wonder Ubuntu did away with it.

    It's these sorts of things that Linux has to address if it wants to conquer the desktop.

  24. Stuart
    Linux

    11.0 is rather nice

    Having long ago outgrown the "my distro is my religion" phase, I am hugely entertained by the aggressive posturing of the Ubuntu hit squads. I really don't like Gnome, and since Kubuntu is possibly the worst KDE distro out there, I've never bought into the Ubuntumania that seems de rigeur in the FLOSS world.

    That said, chacun à son goût, and if Gnome and Ubuntu rock your world, go for it. Why that compels you to wax rabid and froth at the mouth over other distros is beyond me. It's interesting to see the contempt for factual reality that this canonisation of Ubuntu generates, such as in the claim that one is "forced to use YaST, like it or not". That's simply not true, as the many satisfied zypper users will verify.

    I'm an intermediate Linux user who started with Mandrake 6.x, and I think that OpenSuse 11.0 comes closest to the "just works" status than any other distro I've tried. It's also obviously very much better for my emotional and spiritual development,.It leaves me calm, serene and happily able to welcome the use of other distros by other people, wheras it seems that ranting angrily against the evil inadequacies of all distros is required by the Ubuntu EULA.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Zypper stinks

    I have to wonder where the enthusiasm for zypper and yast comes from. From a cursory fiddle, maybe, noting what a brill idea they both seem to be, without actually trying to use them for anything?

    Yes, they are both quite good ideas, but zypper has never worked properly despite many updates and most SUSE users ditch it as soon as they realise what a load of carp it is. The problems you suffered sound typical - the bugs are obviously still there. Online update in yast is far more reliable.

    And while yast is a useful place to collect most of the settings, it's so hopelessly buggy that you often end up editing a config file anyway.

    That said, I really like SUSE and use it most of the time, but despite zypper and yast, not because of them.

  26. Tony
    Paris Hilton

    @ AC

    "Ubuntu has lot wrong with it, anyone with the slightest experience of multiple linux distros would recommend either Mandriva or OpenSuse above Ubuntu."

    3 years ago I used to be a Mandrake user, moved to Fedora and am now using Ubuntu - you know nothing about me and I'll not have you comment for me as "anyone with the slightest experience of multiple linux distros". Express *your* opinion, don't try to express mine.

    Paris - because she doesn't try to put words in other peoples mouths.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    Re: Mandriva

    Nice to see Mandriva getting a mention. It has quietly become the most user friendly distro around.

    @Cavehomme: Get out of your cave every now and then and you might learn that Mandriva is as free as you want it to be.

  28. Adrian Esdaile
    Linux

    The Big Little Question

    Does it have EEE-native drivers?

    Or do we need to do the horrid oh-shit-wireless-won't-work dance?

  29. Kevin Rudd

    @Fonts By "Anonymous Coward"

    Call me strange, but I haven't bothered to install the fonts from my (optional) windows partition into my pclinuxos system and I actually like the way the fonts look compared to when I use (extremely rare these days now) windows.

    But, then AC, your days of Linux are probally from when you attempted to install redhat5.2, deeply scarred, you were turned into a permanent Linux hater and have never looked at it again in an impartial way.

    I call your bluff AC or should that be STEVEN HEWITT.

  30. Trix
    Boffin

    @ Pete

    biggest advantage over ubuntu

    ... is that it lets you log in and work as ROOT.

    None of this nannying around with sudo every time you want to do something significant.

    -----------------

    Well, Pete, have you ever tried running 'sudo su -'? Magic! Or if you want default Windows insecure behaviour, you can create a root password (sudo passwd root) and use that.

    If you want to log into the GUI with root (even more insecure, and I'm sure someone of your l33t skills wouldn't want to), you can edit the kde or gnome config file and set allowrootlogon = true (or something similar).

  31. Peter Gold badge

    We'll see

    From experience I'm not going to judge a distro until it's (a) actually released and (b) has about a month worth of use so the patches are up to date. I switched long time ago from RH to SuSE and then OpenSuSE - but that's because it matches what *I* need. I also run an Ubuntu desktop but I'm halfway between desktop and server for my needs and OpenSuSE seems to be right on the mark.

    I'm looking forward to it.

  32. Will Stephenson
    Linux

    Re: The Big Little Question

    The EeePC native stuff is not on the install media, but it is waiting for you in the Build Service. Instructions here:

    http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_on_the_EeePC

  33. Bloody_Yank
    Thumb Up

    Mandriva 2008 One is great

    I've tested all the top distros SUSE is ok - Ubuntu is good - Fedora can be a little frustrating. SUSE 10.3 couldn't handle Nvidia drivers worth a shit - and its not fixed in 11.0 --- WTF sounds like a MSFT moment.

    I recently loaded Mandriva - very easy install -- and the best surprise -- all ACPI functions actually reliably work out of the chute. Its a great release -- AND ITS FREE !

  34. Will Stephenson
    Dead Vulture

    Zypper Woes and the Definition of 'News'

    I think it's sloppy to blow up a fixed problem in a release candidate into a "major issue" with a subhead. If the article focused on the release candidate, fair enough, but since the review is of the finished item this gives the impression that Zypper has fundamental problems. Which it doesn't - I'd be surprised if it doesn't get adopted by other distros (at least as libzypp) as part of yum and apt.

    Also the author skipped reviewing KDE because "it's in a transitional phase". I am biased (on the KDE team at openSUSE) but I understand a transition from old to new to be the very stuff news stories are made of. Do I spot a bit of personal preference showing there?

  35. Rick Leeming

    At Last!

    I've played with the RC Releases a little as i'm a long term OpenSUSE user. Felt nice, but was using KDE 4 and it did have a few annoying bugs. Full release should be rather nice to have set up so I can just leave the server up and running for 6 months plus and ignore it again. At the moment it's running Server 2003, and remembering the weekly reboots is a pain.

  36. James Anderson Silver badge

    In praise of UBUNTU!

    I personally really like Ubuntu and it is now most definately my OS of choice.

    I am not surprised that some people dont get on with it, OSes are pretty much a fashion descision these days. But I find some the reasons given here for disliking it a little odd.

    "None of this nannying around with sudo " .... well I do significant stuff on big servers for a living and its years (2002?) since I had a root password for anything at work any well run shop gives people the appropriate "sudo" priviledges and very rarely the root password. Whats more its very easy to enable "root" as a login user if you really want the ability to trash your system with a simple typo.

    The "brown" thing ... it takes seconds to change themes if you dont like it. I didnt like it to start with, but, its actaully quite erganomic and intuative. The brown background is very easy on tired eyes and the things taht dont particulary matter when you are working -- like the background, widow frame etc. are in a a low key doesnt matter sort of color.

    Good idea for an El Reg competition though "Name those Browns".

    Gibbon Guts, Heron Roadkill, Africrap, Shuttlesh*t come to mind.

  37. Matthew

    @Jay

    How does SUSE force you to use YAST? It's a computer management tool that centralises every single config so you don't have to keep dotting about your system locating all the different bits in order to set up your system. However if you want to do that then you can, it doesn't break anything.

    Every time I read negative comments about Suse it's usually based on an incorrect assumption or simply BS.

    Although I prefer CentOS on the server I think OpenSUSE is by far the most polished distro for the desktop.

  38. Dave Edmondston
    Flame

    Meh

    Funny how articles like this bring out all the fan boys of the various OS's. Whine whine whine, my computer's better than yours, my distros cooler than that, whine whine whine.

    I think some of the readership here really needs some help.

    The article is about what openSuSE 11 offers, not whether it's better than one distro or another.

    </flame>

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Missing tests

    I'd like to see an update with the following tests:

    Upgrade from a 10.x install that has seen some use.

    Using Wi-Fi.

    Recording from a microphone and getting it into WINE.

  40. Stuart
    Paris Hilton

    Suse and Nvidia

    @Bloody Yank:

    Re "SUSE 10.3 couldn't handle Nvidia drivers worth a shit -" What was the NVidia card you had trouble with? I've had 10.3 since October last year, and found the 1-click install of the NVidia driver worked flawlessly. Ditto for the 1-click install in 11.0RC2, which I've had for the last week or so.

    Paris because she needs new drivers.

  41. jason
    Stop

    Does this version pass the final ultimate test?

    Does it work straight after install 100% with Broadcomm wireless chipsets in 90% of laptops?

    No excuses of "yes it will but you need this version, that version, recompile this driver and hack this that and the other!" That isnt good enough.

    Can I install this distro and my laptop will simply connect to the internet using wireless?

    Every Linux distro I've used so far fails this simple test everytime and therefore renders it useless in my opinion. I really want to seriously try this route but until it 'just works' it aint going to.

  42. GrahamT
    Thumb Up

    Thanks for an interesting article

    I started using Linux with Suse many years ago to keep my Unix skills current. I actually paid for a boxed set - no broadband then.

    I then moved to Mandrake (now Mandriva) and have used Slackware, Knoppix, DSL and Fedora on-and-off. Now I use Ubuntu, and have it dual booting on a couple of machines and alone on my server. (I used to dual boot that too, but since I changed the motherboard Windows blue-screens on boot up - Ubuntu complained a bit but carried on working)

    I like Ubuntu, I even got used to Gnome, though I changed the theme on the first two machines.

    Maybe it is time to take a look at OpenSuse again.

  43. Gilbert Wham

    Hmmmm,

    Site's broken.

  44. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oi! OSS Projects

    Stop using stupid names, it makes you look unprofessional and inhibits the uptake of OSS, especially in big business.

    YaST (Don't call your own package awsome)

    Yum (how are you supposed to know what that does?)

    Gimp (nuff said)

    My SQL (sounds rather toytown)

    Qt (it's not Quicktime, don't use their initials)

    etc. etc.

    Also, why is yet another installer actually needed? It is this sort of fragmentation of linux that makes it hard to uptake, when there are different commands and different file structures on each distro it just makes it more daunting for the newbie.

  45. Paul McHugh
    Unhappy

    Yes, but will my Intellimouse work?

    I've tried several distros of late and would love to switch over to one as my default OS. Unfortunately I keep coming up against the same problem - I can't get my Intellimouse explorer (with the extra back / forward buttons) to work!

    No amount of googling and file editing has resolved this, so I end up thinking 'God, if it's this hard just to get a couple of buttons working, anything remotely advanced must be a nightmare' and go crawling back to M$ within a few hours.

    More drivers please people!

  46. Francis Fish
    Thumb Up

    @PReDiToR

    Never noticed much of an El Reg bias against FOSS - have you listened to the OSS podcasts with people like Shuttleworth contributing etc. etc.?? They piss everyone off equally and don't suffer fools gladly - it's their job!!

    They just tell it how they see it and allow us to comment if we don't agree. Seems fair enough to me.

  47. Gerry

    @Jason, @Oi OSS Projects

    @Jason,

    All I can tell you is that Broadcomm is now in the Linux kernel and that that it worked out of the box for a Dell on openSUSE 10.3

    @Oi OSS Projects

    YaST has been part of SUSE since at least 6.1 (start of my usage, about 10 years ago) at that time Linux was more about Unix than it was about Joe User, and continued an in-joke "Yet another"* Now it's just the control centre for openSUSE. Do you confuse/irritate the user base by renaming it or do you wait for new users (in KDE, anyway) to click on "computer" -> "administration" -> "software" and then not notice the tool is called YaST?

    *as a search on Google with Unix and "yet another" reveals.

  48. Gerry
    Linux

    @ Paul McHugh

    I don't know anything about the intellimouse but I do know about an online article dated 2005

    http://dotnet.org.za/matt/pages/39097.aspx

    So if this really is the only blocker, and you really have used a distro since Slackware 2.0, you might find that looking there gives you what you need (or, I imagine, use any distro released since 2006).

  49. Jay
    Boffin

    @Matthew

    Actually we are a huge Novell customer and we try to avoid SuSE as much as possible. We have even gone as far as installing SuSE10, installing <novell product>, then ripping off the binaries and required libs and run it on CentOS.

    YaST (not sure the version but it seems to reappear every now and then) has a documented bug (with Novell support) that if you just start YaST and do not change ANYTHING it will sometimes overwrite your custom changes. This is why we rename the yast binaries on all out SuSE boxen. Red Hat ditched Linuxconf years ago for this same reason.

    YaST needs to die, it is bloated and buggy and a steaming pile of crap!

  50. Bruce Leyden

    @PReDiToR

    Check the context next time you see the word 'freetard' in a Reg article. I think you'll find it has little to do with FOSS. Also I think you mistake El Reg's anti-useless-pish bias for an anti-OSS bias.

  51. Muhammad Fahd Waseem
    Alien

    It's All Pure Preference

    The Linux world is interesting, really.

    To begin with, there is this article. It can, by no means, be called a comprehensive review of OpenSUSE 11. Ones notices the somewhat unusual choice to review GNOME only (on a rather thin excuse), whereas KDE is normally the preferred desktop. This makes it a niche review, if anything. Quite a few will agree that one of the biggest attractions of SUSE 11 is the new KDE 4, with Oxygen and Plasma...

    The article also makes a major issue of a 'to-be-fixed' bug in Zypper. Non very journalistic, is it?

    But what interests me most is the stream of comments, which seems to be taking the tone of a verbal war. People are defending their favourite distros, without a second thought. Cannot everybody realize that a choice of distributions may be a personal preference? A necessity, in some cases? Maybe a technical requirement? Or maybe even just a philosophical siding? What need is there to jump up and defend tooth-and-nail?

    I'm just a student in university, studying Electronics Engineering. I have tried every single one of the "Major Distributions" listed on DistroWatch.com, and then some. For me, SUSE 10.x has worked best. I never found YaST buggy. Zypper has worked perfectly soundly for me. I have never had trouble with my ATI (X1600 Mobility Radeon) drivers, and enabling CompizFusion has been a simple matter of following the SUSE Wiki entries. My hardware is perfectly supported on SUSE, right down to the last gadget (WiFi, Bluetooth and Bluetooth mouse, Network Cards, Card Readers) etc. That makes me a fan of SUSE over Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Mandriva, Slackware etc. I also do not care for any deal Novell may or may not have with Microsoft as long as I get my Linux cooked well-done.

    Also note, however, the number of times the keywords 'me', 'I' and 'my' have appeared in the last paragraph. Surely one can cherish the Linux world for providing such choice? Discussing bugs, errors, and improvable areas is good: indeed what makes the world go round. But that is no reason to start bashing each other - "this is better" or "that".

    Call me a pessimist if you will, but some psychologists have it that people are much better off when a choice (even as crappy as Windows) is forced onto them. Let's hope the Linux world proves them wrong.

  52. Svantevid
    Thumb Up

    @Paul McHugh

    Extra buttons on my Intellimouse didn't work in Ubuntu 7.10, but 8.04 fixed that. So if that's the only problem, please feel free to check Ubuntu. It "just worked" for me, but YMMV.:)

  53. Paul McHugh

    @ Gerry

    Thanks for the link; I've tried several similar methods in the past without success but will give this a try.

    It does kind of highlight the point though. To get two mouse buttons working I need to install a 3rd party app, backup and edit several config files, create some others and change file permissions.

    If Linux is really going to take off as a desktop for the average user then these types of issues need to be resolved so that a vast array of hardware works out of the box or involves a simple driver download & install.

  54. Andre Carneiro

    Servers buckling as well?

    Seems like OpenSUSE's servers may very well be having a "Firefox 3 moment". Can't seem to connect to any of them :)

  55. lazarus_mub
    Flame

    Drivers drivers drivers...

    OpenSUSE Great looking OS but we all know the real problem with Linux isn't how the OS looks or how much software it comes with, it's the lack of hardware drivers. Linux is a dead end until I can have fully 3D graphics, and support for my Logitech MOMO racing wheel (messing about with drivers that only provide 50% of functions doesn't count).

    We should be pushing for open hardware drivers and games that aren't tied to DirectX. Make that happen and Linux will rule!!

    mub - Statees the obvious again!!

  56. Owen Williams
    Paris Hilton

    RedHat 5.2 was a fine distribution

    As was RedHat1 and all the others through to Fedora 9 now. I don't really understand this swapping horses thing. Who's got the time? Take responsibility for your computing and learn how to fix your OS of choice. The absolutely bloody marvelous thing about Linux is that you can get further under the hood than any other OS. Broke? Fix it.

    I wouldn't report that the install was favorable compared to MacOSX. If it weren't for the richness of choice (Good Thing™) in Linux the install would be identical: choose a partition and install it. The nice thing about Linux or MacOSX installing is that it only reboots once...you hearing me :) What I got from this article is that Windows is in third place.

    Fonts? Liberation.

    Thingy-bob because even she could use Linux these days.

  57. kain preacher

    @ Fonts

    Umm True Type is Apple. Apple licensed it to Microsoft so it would gain wide exceptance

  58. Stephen Bungay

    Root account and Business decisions...

    Want a root account in *UBUNTU?

    At the shell prompt just type

    sudo passwd

    Enter a password for root and thats it.

    I'm not a big fan of UBUNTU (although I use V7.04), but I am even less of a fan of M$. If OpenSUSE 11 has ANY ties back to the M$ deal then the statement that "Novell's business decisions, however, have little, if anything to do with OpenSUSE 11" is prure nonsense.

    Yes I avoid Novell like the plague BECAUSE of their deal with M$. Yes OpenSUSE may be great, fantastic, and the best thing since sliced-bread, but it will not grace a system I own or maintain as long as the M$ deal taints Novell.

  59. Mark Dempster
    Alert

    The advantages of Open Source?

    >YaST needs to die, it is bloated and buggy and a steaming pile of crap!<

    Surely the main argument put forward for the 'superiority' of open source is that any bugs will be found by thousands of development peers, and put right before anyone notices?

  60. Gareth Hughes
    Alert

    @Does this version pass the final ultimate test?

    Does Windows XP....?

    I can't remember EVER installing Xp on a machine and having wireless out of the box, Vista maybe but I've not yet installed that on a PC with wireless, but I sure as hell had to download and install a load of drivers to get my Desktop working with Vista!

  61. Ed

    If you don't know how to get root access in Ubuntu without always using sudo

    especially after the last post on this subject, then you probably shouldn't *ever* have root access to any unix kit.

    The only thing Ubuntu does to obstruct root usage is to not give it a password. You could easily give it one via a number of means - in addition to those already mentioned, the password management gui works just fine for that.

    About the only thing sillier than claiming ubuntu forces one to use sudo for everything I can imagine would be to suggest one should use 'sudo su' - why this is is left as an exercise for Josef and Trix.

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Graphical Installer

    Graphical installers have a tendency to gloss over or hide errors.

  63. slt groove
    Happy

    Fun, fun, fun ....

    It's a nice review.

    I tried some of the betas and RC1, but I'll stay on the 10.3 for the moment. KDE 4x can be ready to go first around October.

    I don't bother much about what kind of new distris I'm about to fire up. Any of them will do. Everything is just fun!

    Seagate is coming up 7,3K SAS disks, so feel free to install all of them, without any pain.

    My special thanks goes to M$. Vista is the best marketing method for Linux ever.

    Thanks to all of the laptop-force-vista vendors. It would't happen without you.

    I just wonder why no one mentioned Mint ?!!

  64. Rick Leeming

    Now Installed on my desktop box..

    ..and I rather like it. Not used it for a much yet, but seems to have everything I want. Even supported my 770 Series chipset with no issues (10.3 wasn't huge fan of the board, and Ubuntu wouldn't even detect the hard drives).

    Later I'll see how it like my Lappy, the combination of Turion X2, Nvidia Chipset and Broadcom wireless has made me give up previously due to a serious case of "More effort than I can be bothered with".

    As for the MS and Novell hatred in this thread. Most distros contain something that MS own the licence for, even if it is just .WMA compatability. Come down off the high horse please.

  65. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    FAIL x 2

    Tried it on wife's 5+year old laptop. Booted up fine, had graphics and sound. No wireless.

    Tried to go into YaST to configure network, but app wouldn't even start. Some nasty x11 error on my screen. Fail.

    Tried it on my 6 month old Sony Vaio laptop. Graphics not detected, wireless was found, but couldn't easily get it to work. Terminal, ifconfig and iwconfig commands weren't there. Touchpad support was very poor - ended up having to use keyboard. Fail.

    Sorry, Novell. I tried. This was with the KDE LiveCD.

    Happy I kept Ubuntu on both.

  66. Francis

    Most issues fixed in the final release

    The majority -- if not all -- of the issues mentioned have been fixed in the final release of openSUSE 11.0. For example, there are NVIDIA drivers available from nvidia.com via 1-click-install (see opensuse.org/NVIDIA), and Zypper handles updates more appropriately now.

  67. Damian Turner-Steele

    OS! who gives a stuff

    OS! who cares. Turns it on, works, turns off.

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  69. James Pickett
    Gates Horns

    Choice

    "Like my mother always said.."

    I'm sure she did...

    WRT distros, why does a short, but reasonable balanced review of one produce so many wild opinions about the others? The whole point of Linux is that it offers choice, something conspicuously lacking if you trawl the high street for a laptop without Vista, for instance. More reason to celebrate it, IMHO.

    MS would love to divide and rule, and we seem to be helping them!

  70. mjt

    Try the One Click install for NVIDIA driver

    "Among the potential gotchas for new users is the lack of readily available NVIDIA drivers."

    "One click" install found here: http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA

    thanks for playing, mjt - author: Inside Linux

  71. Gerry

    @mjt

    I am now a happy bunny continuing over 10 years of continuous SUSE use with 11.0, however, let me assure you that the 1-click install took out my X server, and then when I repaired it, for reasons I didn't know, it removed my kernel too. Luckily, "update installed system" cured that too.

    If (as acknowledged by Nvidia) you are using an FX 5200 card don't use the 1- click install, use the shell script. A little note or an updated RPM from openSUSE would be useful.

    If you are upgrading from 10.3 you might find this helpful too

    rpm -e MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.12-5.1 --noscripts --nodeps

  72. James Butler
    Gates Horns

    @Paul McHugh

    Linux distros of all flavors support a very wide variety of hardware, including Microsoft's Intellimouse. Keep in mind that you are hinging your support for a non-Microsoft OS on a Microsoft piece of hardware that has been optimized to work with the mysterious innards of the Windows OS and no other. Apple users also need to jump through hoops to get them to work with their systems, and versions of Windows published prior to the introduction of the Intellimouse do not exploit all of its features, either.

    MS has never been friendly to anyone other than themselves. Their hardware is built for their microverse only. It is a testament to the OSS community that one can configure their non-MS OS to use Microsoft hardware, despite Redmond's best efforts to stymie them.

    An excuse for not working with a non-MS OS because your Microsoft mouse may need additional configuration is like insisting on continuing to drive a Humvee because your beaded seat cover won't fit into a more eco-friendly vehicle. Simply get a new seat cover.

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