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These are relatively dark days for the ISP business. With the market saturated, fewer and fewer new broadband customers are scrapped over by fewer and fewer players. All the while, bandwidth costs are on the increase, fired by the success of the BBC's streaming iPlayer, and the price consumers are willing to pay for internet …

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  1. Barry Zubel

    Plusnet - More awards?!

    http://www.uswitch.com/Broadband/Customer-Satisfaction.html

    Seems they swept up at the uSwitch awards too!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What is the bandwidth of a person?

    Down in the comments of this thread, they estimate the bandwidth to a human as 4mbps per person. So that defines the upper limit of any bandwidth required:

    http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2007/05/17/ftth-in-france/

    So it's not like bandwidth will increase forever, however their costs will continue to drop. So they've got no reason to be miserable (certainly no reason to sell out their customers surfing data).

  3. Ben Bradley
    Stop

    Music?

    What so a reason for an increase in price of my broadband subscription will be because I probably will* be downloading new Leona Lewis tunez from some service?

    *I can re-assure any ISPs right now that I won't be.

    Also Leona Lewis, like Phorm nicking your personal data, should surely be an opt-in service?

    If bandwidth costs are rising, how come BeThere have reduced the subscription of my Be Unlimited account twice, by 28% in total, over 10 months?

  4. Spleen

    Re: Music?

    Surely it'll be possible for some ISPs to include music and some to not include it and charge a lower price - and those that don't can use the Japanese three strikes system to boot off anyone who tries to get away without paying. Everybody's happy.

    I say 'surely' because I really don't know - it all sounds a little bit desperate. One problem is that if ISPs take on the role of radios in that way, they take on the responsibility of compensating the record companies and become more than 'just a carrier'. This goes against the 'just carry my data' philosophy that we're using to oppose Phorm.

  5. Terry Ellis

    Not: Broadband can save music?

    Seems like a match made in heaven...

  6. michael

    like raido?

    was this not the bissness modle that saved raiod music early on in it's inception?

  7. michael

    re:music

    "What so a reason for an increase in price of my broadband subscription will be because I probably will be downloading new Leona Lewis tunez from some service?"

    I would be happy to pay a LITTLE bit extra on my bb subscription to make the music indstry SHUT THE HELL UP

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Re: Music?

    If the monthly amount was small and you could download any music, not just Leona Lewis (???), then I'd have no problem with it. And if they threw films in too, it would just get better and better. It it was cheap and easy, loads of people would love unlimited access to music and movies. Piracy, what piracy? Gone. The question, as always, comes down to cost.

    Mine's the one with Genesis on the back of it.

    http://breden.org.uk/2007/09/26/flat-rate-music-for-all/

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    re:re:music

    "I would be happy to pay a LITTLE bit extra on my bb subscription to make the music indstry SHUT THE HELL UP"

    Me too. While we're at it how much to get the film industry to stop bloody whining? And if we throw a little something in the games industry's direction is it at all possible that at very least they might stop denying distribution of games they produced in the 70's, 80's and 90's?

  10. Michael
    Happy

    Illegal Music downloads...

    ....consume the least bandwidth. I If artists were ever remunerated on that basis , i'd bet the goat porn producers would come out ahead... if not on top....

  11. michael

    @Michael...?

    "i'd bet the goat porn producers would come out ....on top"

    that is the most disturbing image I have imagened in the past hour

  12. Andraž Levstik

    Flat-rates

    I so wish I could pay some extra flat rate i.e. 10-20 eur extra/month and get to pick what tech and what source I want to get my digital media...

    That price should more or less cover the few bits I grab online that aren't 100% legaly available...

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Important question

    Will this be RIAA approved artists only, or will Priscilla Hernandez get her share of my connection fee when I browse to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpBi9tIjoFg - I want to know.

  14. Hayden Clark Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Network costs

    I am really, really tired of the moaning about upstream bandwidth costs by the ISP's. I quote from Tiscali's site:

    " Monthly download allowance

    Option 2: Unlimited downloads. This great value package offers you unlimited downloads every month. Download movies and music, play games online, watch video clips and listen to the radio. Fair usage policy applies."

    The fair usage policy talks mainly about P2P.

    But, if you listen to the radio, watch video clips, download movies and music - you will get capped, as you will be a "heavy user".

    In other words, the ISP's have not budgeted or paid for enough bandwidth to deliver the services advertised.

    Sigh.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    ISPA in bed with the Parasites

    Really disappointed to see this organisation getting into bed with NebuAd. Maybe ISP's will regret this if site owners start blocking vistors from ISPs using this (and other) spyware - in light of the reported replacement of all the site advertising with NebuAd content. I hope this does happen, preferably with a big site like Amazon or Ebay, something big enough to cause problems when an ISP's customers find they are barred because thier ISP is tied up with a prirate ad company.

    This is piracy too, the content isnt provided by these parasites, so they have no moral right to tamper with the ads that pay for the content.

    Oh I forgot - running cartels... piracy of content... its all ok for big business... its only illegal if citizens do it. A message to Phorm and NebuAd... and any other parasites looking to get a pay day off of my movements - its MY data its not for sale - go get a real "product" to sell.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    People not willing to pay as much for broadband?

    Did I read that right? I'm more than happy to pay £24.99 a month. What I'm not willing to pay £24.99 a month for is a service that's heavily capped, where the ISP decides what data gets priority and what doesn't. Who is the ISP to say that a download of a Linux ISO for an important task is less important than some teacher gossiping about how they kissed some other kid at school via Skype?

    If there's a problem with people paying less the ISPs only have themselves to blame constantly undercutting each other to silly levels and that's exactly what they've done to the point they can't afford to provide the service they're offering at the cost they're offering it for.

    In chasing more customers they've screwed over their long term customers so that essentially those of us that always have paid around £24.99 a month are subsidising people who pay anything less than £10 a month now. I'm not totally against ensuring the net is affordable, but only if it doesn't impact existing net users which it really is. Even then internet access now is cheaper than a TV license, gas, water, Sky/Cable TV, most mobile phone services per year so I'm not convinced the internet would be too expensive for most to afford if it went back over the £10, preferably £15 or £20 mark.

  17. michael

    @ac

    "Did I read that right? I'm more than happy to pay £24.99 a month. What I'm not willing to pay £24.99 a month for is a service that's heavily capped, where the ISP decides what data gets priority and what doesn't. Who is the ISP to say that a download of a Linux ISO for an important task is less important than some teacher gossiping about how they kissed some other kid at school via Skype?"

    I have pluged them b4 and I will plug then again this is my current isp

    http://www.keconnect.co.uk/index.cfm?page=526

    pricy but good

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