Google for "World's Worst Application"
I was quite enthusiastic until the word "Lotus" appeared.
IBM gets back into PCs
IBM is getting back into the PC game - or at least it is in Eastern Europe. The company sold its PC business and brands to Chinese hardware maker Lenovo in 2005 and this time round is partnering with an Austrian company to make the actual boxes and with a Polish firm to distribute them. The Microsoft-free boxes will be made …
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 15:15 GMT Kevin Johnston
Lotus
Always amuses when the 'not quite as fervent as Mac Vs M$' bashing starts for Lotus. Sadly I support Lotus products and can quite happily say that while the IBM/Lotus flavour of Open Office (aka Symphony) may not have anything like the number of bells/whistles which the M$ offering has, it does have all you need and they tend to work quite well. To introduce a parallel as a target to be shot down, M$ may be a space shuttle but that's not much good for shipping plebs by the thousand to Marbella, far better to use the IBM/Lotus 777.
I have long given up trying to understand why a Word Processor/Spreadsheet/Presentation Graphics suite needs to come on a DVD and if I was interested in producing Desktop Publishing style tomes I would use a bespoke package or else pass the plain text to a Publishing House to do the formatting. Simple tools for simple people.
As the man say *Flame on*
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 15:15 GMT amanfromMars
Covering all Bases
Strange, I always equated Microsoft to their being IBM's little brother, so IBM have always been into the PC stealthily ...... even should they be more interested in Big Boys Toys as a SMART Cover.
With Microsoft floundering at the moment, it is not surprising that Big Brother enters the Field of Play in Hardware .......Mechanical Assembly, which can always accept MS Software, as well as any other.
How very Catholic ...... Give me the Virtual Machine Child, and we will Program IT to need Software.
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 23:31 GMT Don Mitchell
IBM and MSFT
I don't think IBM has ever viewed Microsoft as its little brother, at least not after they saw the first demo of Windows NT. That's when one IBM vice president reportedly said he wanted to put an ice pick into Bill Gates's head. When IBM realized that they didn't control the PC operating system, they were furious at Microsoft and at themselves for allowing the PC to become an open hardware standard.
IBM has been working against Microsoft ever since, they were a major force beyind the US and EU legal actions against Microsoft, and they've supported Linux in part to attack Microsoft and win back parts of that market.
Can IBM make an ersatz PC that sells? Walmart tried a few times and failed.
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 23:31 GMT tardigrade
The Start of something?
I like the idea. RHEL is a good choice for business and Lotus doesn't mean that you can't use Evolution and Open Office.
It will be interesting to see where this goes. IBM are still a huge company and whilst this may be a small step back into the desktop market I will be keeping a close eye on how this develops. Could be the first steps to something bolder and more interesting.
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 23:31 GMT Daniel B.
@Why not Ubuntu?
"It's a bit more user-friendly than Red Hat..."
... and a bit more ugly-sounding name to the common user =(
I don't know about Notes as e-mail client, but Notes as a collaborative tool wasn't bad at all. At the very least, it was much, much better as a "new education" platform than its successors at my college: Blackboard, and some half-baked Blackboard-ish "thing" in-house development that followed.
I miss LearningSpace...
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 23:31 GMT Mr V
More buggy hardware then!
Lets hope this doesn't hit Red Hat too hard. As previously mentioned, the 300GL was an absolute dog in hardware terms. The last thing Linux needs is to be shown up running on crap hardware.
Or perhaps its an IBM ploy to ship more overpriced and under-performing pSeries fridges...?
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Wednesday 5th March 2008 23:34 GMT Guy
Completely Unscientific but...
Lotus Notes Sucks...
It sucks so hard, it can suck monkey balls through a straw, whilst wearing a face mask and with little holes punched into the side of the straw to reduce the pressure... yes it sucks that hard...
As for the rest of the Lotus stable, I give it a 'meh' it's alright, seems more stable than some of the microsoft stuff, but with a few less whistles. Exchange isn't brilliant, don't get me wrong, I've had my fair share of battles with that beastie over time, and SharePoint can leave something to be desired in the document sharing realm, but their gold standard, angelic applications when compared to Notes.
Just in case you don't get what I'm trying to say it's this, NOTES SUCKS!!!!!
You see that flame? You see the small line at the bottom of it? That's a Notes Installation CD that is...
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Thursday 6th March 2008 03:36 GMT E
@ Andy Towler
I knew I would find it, and I did.
Some Ubunuista yapping that his fetish is more friendly.
But, of course, everyone knows that pop-up menus in a Mac style bar at the top of the screen are the most friendly kind. Indeed, they are the only kind we should be allowed to think about.
Also, everyone knows that an desktop setup that makes it very difficult to run anything not placed on the menus by the vendor, or to customize anything, is better.
What was I thinking! I will immediately burn all my boxes that run KDE or Openbox, and enter a monastery to pray for deliverance from my UI sins.
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Thursday 6th March 2008 03:36 GMT Anonymous Coward
re:Google for "World's Worst Application"
He's Wrong.....
For the record.. The worst application (Office automation category) Is in fact UNIPLEX.
On second thoughts, make that all categories.
Coming in a very close second would be EtherNIM....
Third in line to the throne is anything written in Java,,,,
Why is it people think computing started in 1990??????
Bad applications have been around for 50 odd years... ;)
Randall.
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Thursday 6th March 2008 06:31 GMT ben edwards
@Kevin Johnston - Thanks to the fanboy in every crowd...
As soon as I see some elite responder drop those magic bombs - M$, Windoze, Winblows, and all their variants, I immediately skip to the next post.
Thanks to people who do that, I save a great portion of my workday. Keep up the irrelevance!
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Thursday 6th March 2008 08:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
@E
> Some Ubunuista yapping that his fetish is more friendly.
Nope, I'm a Windows user. I'm currently evaluating a few Linux builds and I found I could get to grips with the Ubuntu UI more quickly than Red Hat, or Mandriva or OpenSuse for that matter.
> But, of course, everyone knows that pop-up menus in a Mac style bar at the top of the screen are the most friendly kind. Indeed, they are the only kind we should be allowed to think about.
Surely Gnome is customisable?
> Also, everyone knows that an desktop setup that makes it very difficult to run anything not placed on the menus by the vendor, or to customize anything, is better.
See above.
> What was I thinking! I will immediately burn all my boxes that run KDE or Openbox, and enter a monastery to pray for deliverance from my UI sins.
Fill your boots man. Anything to reduce the stress, eh?
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Thursday 6th March 2008 14:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
@ Kevin Johnston
"I have long given up trying to understand why a Word Processor/Spreadsheet/Presentation Graphics suite needs to come on a DVD and if I was interested in producing Desktop Publishing style tomes I would use a bespoke package or else pass the plain text to a Publishing House to do the formatting. Simple tools for simple people.
As the man say *Flame on*
Kevin, I have wondered that myself. The problem is with the 'Dream Merchants of Software' who over-promise to sell their bloatware, promising every office drone will be a better writer, financial wizard and an insta-graphic designer -- all-in-one -- thus -- making the company more profitable. Complete and utter nonsenses. I agree with you, keep it simple. Oh yes, no flame from me! Cheers!
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Monday 10th March 2008 11:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
Ubuntu support has already been announced for Notes8
Maybe not now, but Ubuntu support for mid year has already been announced. I've actually run Notes8 on Ubuntu already, but suspect this is a 'support' announcement rather than actually making it work...
http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/applications/enterprise/news/index.cfm?newsid=7193&print
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