Tut tut tut. MP's, the Mail and to genral population will campain against this. The use of the word radiation. School boy error.
The quality press is awash with invisible-tank stories this morning, as the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Ananova news wire et al pile into an exclusive scoop by the Sun. It would seem that the Currant Bun scribes have spoken to a squaddie from the Royal Engineers, who claims to have been involved in trials last week featuring a ( …
Fine if you are sitting still in nice weather, how long till the camera grots up doing something like moving around or when its raining.
plus the antidote to this is probably infra-red cameras.
also not sure how its going to work as camera-projector is just one angled view, hows it going to work in full 360?
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.. and I can prove it. Look I found an Egghead from GCHQ on the side of the road the other week took him to the pub for a laugh and whilst bladdered he spilled the beans on this little breakthrough.
Not only is it a clocking device but it's also a combined deflector shield. Gordon Brown is pumping trillions into it's development. The plan is that next time there is even a sniff of a general election No 10 will disappear and any criticism will bounce straight off.
I should warn you that they are also working on a "Reality Distortion Field" that will have a range covering the whole of the UK. It will make everyone believe that everything that all politicians say is completely true without question. It's based upon technology that MI6 nicked off Steve Jobs who has had one with a global reach for years apparently.
I'd like to verify the source for you but sadly whilst I was being told all this a Black Helicopter landed and two Greys got out and vaporised the Egghead. Shame.
It's about time someone had a dig at the tabloids (oo-er) for their hysterical science reporting.
This one by the Sun almost reaches the level of that Sunday Sport classic "World War 2 Bomber Found On Moon!", which they followed up (after everyone pointed out that it was a load of bollocks) with "World War 2 Bomber - Missing!".
Maybe the aliens had invisible-shed-on-moon technology back then and this Sun piece is the missing piece of the puzzle. I could be on to something here. Eric von Daniken made a fortune out of this kind of shite in the 70s.
I think I'll digest this with a large pinch of salt, even though the technology is possible to develop metamaterials and nanotech are no where near mature enough.
You see its not the mention of metamaterials that makes me think hang on a minute, its the mention of cameras and projectors. Sure its relatively easy to make a shed appear to disappear, because its rectangular and box like. A simple logical deduction would immediately show that you can't "look down a barrel" and not see it at all, simply as the barrel has no light emitted from the inside and to have the light emitted from the inside would require a non functional gun, or a glistening shell tip sitting in the most bizarrely improbable of positions.
Oh and don't forget the refractivity of any part of the machine and minuscule differences in angles would cause it to be visible, and produce strange optical effects. Think "Predator"...
Putting a tank in an invisible shed is a different thing entirely.
Its kind of like that stealth thing when the US were testing the B2 bomber. The brits new it was flying over head for weeks, it didn't have any radar reflectivity, but also, galactic background radiation failed to pass through the plane creating a shadow, which was detectable. Dumb ass yanks who rely heavily on positive radar readings and ignore negative ones.
"Of course, you do realise that if you march your soldiers over our borders we'll shoot you with our invisible tanks. We do have them. Honest. Look, you can see one over there! *Points* What, you can't see it? GOOD BECAUSE IT'S INVISIBLE HAHAHA UR SO GAY!!1"
Personally, i'd think be more concerned about very visible tanks lined up and ready to fire then invisible ones pretending to be.
I've had my invisible army building up in secret for years now, and they have to let the cat out of the bag. There is one huge problem with this technology as we found out in the invisible war games, we can't find the enemy, and they can't find us! So in the end we told them we had them surrounded, still waiting for a reply. We tried to invade, but could not find the enemy headquarters. We did blow up a few sheds though.
War is now obsolete.
Of course the tank's bleedin' invisible. that's why they paint them funky green or of late sandy colours...
Camera's take a photo of the terrain people are planning to invade (multimap has been making this simple for years).
People project the image onto a screen and some pen pushers who wouldn't know what a field would look like otherwise decide what pattern to use.
People paint the tank with that pattern.
Fits the Sun story perfectly.
Should I don my coat?
'Invisible' is a bit strong for this one - the idea was basically to video the scene from one side of an object and project it as an image onto the opposite side, resulting in a 'see-through' object. Hardly invisible though - more like 'active camouflage' a la Predator. Anything else I would be highly suspicious of.
the persons that sanctioned this ridiculous fucking project should all be shot in the testicles.
the scientific community really ought to grow up and consider VALUABLE systems, that solve REAL problems facing tank commanders and crews on todays battlefields, rather than fucking around chasing novelty sci-fi nonsense like this.
i recommend shooting in the testicles as a way to gently simulate to these asshole scientists just how it can feel to be sitting in an armoured vehicle when an infra-red triggered improvised explosive device goes off next to you.
get to work on some meaningful detection systems, or perhaps bring on the next generation composite armours.
our boys are dying out there by the score, and this is the best you can come up with?
you ought to be bloody well ashamed.
Nothing new about this - J R R Tolkien stated that the High Elves invented this technology and produced 'Elven-Cloaks' quite a long time ago. But did they patent it I wonder?
I think a lot of people have these anyway. I've sometimes arranged to meet someon who didn't turn up but swore that they really were there.
The story is all true except that:
- it was the Serbs, not the Brits who first used the technique
- they spotted and shot down an F-117, not a B2
- it showed it up in RF from TV transmitters, not cosmic radiation.
An array of passive receiving dishes and a *lot* of computer power did the trick, so there's your IT angle. This setup was helped along by the F-117s always using the same exit track after bombing missions, so the Serbs knew which region of sky to monitor and where to site the SAM.
The way I would do it if I was designing it would be to use a massive lenslet array over the whole exterior of the tank.
Each lenslet would consist of a small semiconductor with integrated optical sensors and leds, covered with a hemispherical lens over large groups of these pairs of sensors and leds.
The problem comes not from the manufacture, which is fairly straight forward, but from the interconnect between the sensors on one side of the tank and the leds on the other.
Overall, it could give cloaking and external 3d displays for a fairly trivial amount of power.
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"War is now obsolete."
Yes, so what is the reasoning for it? Smash and Grab/Rape and Plunder. Ah well... at least the enemy storm troopers are plain enough for everyone to See. Has the Force been turned on and against the Cowboy Custer Element? .
IT's wonderful what a Financial Meltdown will do as it is surely only the dollar and the Banks/Bankers prosecuting Death and Destruction rather than providing InfraStructure and Construction ..... except for themselves apparently and the marauding bands of private mercenaries given immunities and therefore making the Regular Army even more likely to be despised and targetted. It is just like how the Wild West was won against the native Red Indian, Kemo Sabe ....all over again. Heap bad Medicine, man.
Whose dumb ass idea was that to privatise War and dispense with Rules and Responsibility and Accountability? When the war is over, who is going to think of them a conquering hero in a war zone rather than a psychotic bully in devastated third world country.
And what did you do in the war, daddy, with your overwhelming military force? Was it a fair fight or rigged with just a few kids fighting to stay alive in a Free Fire Civilian Zone?
Sounds very holocausty/killing fields and definitely not cricket, ole boy.
This mucking around with cameras, projectors, metamaterials and other advanced technology is altogether unnecessary. All one would need is a large octopus skin (or several sewn together) within which to enclose the tank and an octobrain as the central cloaking control mechanism. How hard can it be?
I feel sorry for our infantry boys. I'm no military expert, but surely the main point of tanks at the moment isn't blowing things up but providing cover for infantry in urban settings?
Can you imagine trying to hide behind an invisible tank? Tenner says some poor bugger walks in front of it by accident. *squelch* And even if you could take cover behind it the enemy could still see you and what you were doing. Seems silly to me... Cool, but silly.
Come on, this is _The Sun_ we're talking about. A picture in which a tank is clearly not visible is all the proof a Sun-reader needs that it is a picture of an invisible tank!
Expect an outraged story in a few weeks' time, about how gangs of paedophiles are using "invisibility technology" to spy on your kids.
I heard the story about a year after the B2 was announced around 1990/91, I was only young so all the details are sketchy, maybe it was the TV signals rather than the galactic background, I remember specifically it being the B2 as I was pretty fascinated with the aircraft at the time, being a super-cool flying wing and all, and me being a young boy. Someone of course came and shattered my dreams of invisibility way back then...
Anyway by 1999 when the serbs shot down an F117 the story was old news already, and I infact was telling people this story to explain the major flaw in stealth technology at the time, as nobody could understand how it was possible. If they implemented the same method then bully for them, but I'm pretty sure the brits got there first. As I was told, they politely called up the US military commander in question, and said something polite like "Hello there, this large triangular thing that keeps flying over us, could you please fly it elsewhere"
Just imagine how useful this invisible shed would be on a fine summers day!
"Yes dear, I'll be happy to cut the grass. However I can't find the lawnmower....".
Now can we get back on the serious subjects. We haven't got time to waste all this bandwidth - none to spare with the serious Paris Hilton stories.....
Picture the scene, a battlefield some time in the future:
Capt: What reports from our reconnaissance patrols?
Sgt: They appear to be sending an attractive line in shiplap sided garden sheds against us sir.
Capt: The poor fools. Their wooden shed technology is no match for our bombs and missiles, it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Sgt: Wait a minute sir, there's something going on. The doors are opening and...THERE ARE TANKS INSIDE THE SHEDS!!!"
Capt: Ohmigod, we're all dead.
See? No need for invisibility at all.
That's because standing at a bar with money out is one of the unwritten no-nos anyone who's spent much time on the serving side of a bar could tell you. In the barperson world - and more importantly the virtual queue representation in their head - that's a "Go Back Two Spaces" card. Wave it around and you'll be lucky to get a drink this side of Xmas.
could someone PLEASE get lots of these invisible sheds to the US government, so they can stop building those huge bunkers all over the place?
that way, the next time they need to hide from the people they are supposed to serve, they can just assemble the damn sheds, and take them down when they're done revising whatever section of the Constitution they happen to be "working on"...oh right, they're just ignoring it, aren't they?
well, at least we won't have to look at them, then. any time George the Younger or Dick (how fitting, that name) become invisible, it's a happy occasion.
Are tanks running deathly silent nowadays or are they still quite noisy?
I stiil think Hearts and Minds and the Beta Management of Perception and White Propaganda wins Peace and makes War History but if you have Weak Mind, the Dumb Hick Gung Ho Grunt Route/Root won't tax it too much.
It is though an interesting virtual visual live camouflage. Does Iraq exist or is it only made up and filmed in the desert a la the Moon Landings? Now that would be Real Stealthy and you could Create a Whole New World Order with that Methodology and InterNetworking Technologies.
Shame about the Shoot 'em Up Script though whenever there are Dreams to Build instead of thinking Invisible Sheds.
What, what, what ..... old chap. Ye olde cross my Palm with Sheds of Silver and say no more Routine....... or Seven Sevens as previously always mooted ....to a Spooky Alien Account.
And that does make Perfect Sense on one very particular and peculiar Plane/Level/Dimension/Parallel and is AI Quantum Communications BetaTest Live Round/Firing. I Kid U Not.
British Boffinry at AI Level you would Most Definitely have difficulty Believing.:-)
No, no. Look. This shed business -- it doesn't really matter. The sheds aren't important. A few friends call me Two Sheds and that's all there is to it. I wish you'd ask me about the music. Everybody talks about the sheds. They've got it out of proportion -- I'm a composer. I'm going to get rid of the shed. I'm fed up with it!
So it makes the shed invisible, and the contents with it? Shame, I thought it might just make the shed invisible and leave the contents on display -- and the thieving chavs trying to nick your mower would bump into the invisible shed walls.
(A bit like the way the Invisible Man's footprints suggest he was wearing shoes, yet clothing touching any other part of his body would remain visible.)
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That's an invisible shed if ever I saw one!
Yeah right! You sneaky bastards at The Reg are pulling the wool over our eyes. That's not a pic of an invisible shed.
It's a pic containing an invisible tank, invisible shed, Bond's Aston Martin, a stealthed Bird of Prey, Harry Potter, the Emperor's new clothes AND the invisible man.
You buggers can't fool me!
Wikipedia entry for F117 basically claims the downed plane was due to long wave radar occasionally tracking the F117 and lots of augmented eyes peeping around seeing one momentarily. Enough glimpses and enough SAMs and there you go-- no need for thousands of stellar background monitor boxes on everyone's roof to search for shadowing.
What amazed me were the peasants stomping on the fragments-- they should have grabbed all the bits they could and auctioned them off on eBay. Would have made a tidy sum, especially the canopy with the name on it. Wouldn't surprise me if there are still a few bits out there in the countryside.... hmmmm.....
In the spectrum of technologies with potential military application there comes a point where 'camouflage' could be referred to as 'invisibility' by lazy, ignorant hack journalists. (@ 'Hate2Register') Lewis P included sufficient blindingly obvious hints in his reporting ofa Sun article to indicate that he understood full well the particular journalistic approach that had probably pertained.
I think the Brits have been in the forefront of camouflage research for a v long time; Project Dazzle attempted - sucessfully in many cases - to modify the visible signature of ships in WW1, years before the 'Philadelphia' episode.
Sympathise with the many commenters who have exprssed righteous indignation that military scientific research needs to be applied to the immediate situation of our troops today; situation IS improving, sadly too slowly.
I am surprised that this technology isn't being adapted for use outside the military.
I think possibly the most applicable use of such technology is in the entertainment industry, after all with HD, LCD, Plasma display technology being what it is the next logical step has to be 3D TV.
One of the problems with producing 3D TV has to be the fact to produce the data required for 3D images to be generated requires multiple sources of capture and obviously they need to be camouflaged otherwise they become part of the footage.
What industry has historically driven media technology?
The porn industry.
3D Porn it's the future and it's not far away.
Now there's the Paris Hilton Angle :-)
The cloaking system was considered to be a technology too risky for mere mortals and the whole shebang was relocated to a cloaked city. Your link with Elvis is quite correct in as much that Elvis was the original King of The Elves and his followers were first known as Elivisers, later shortened to Elv’s (through common use by his sidekicks Julian and Sandy). Elven was the adjectival form used for anything produced by the Elves provided it was stamped with the ‘Galadriel’ Certificate of Conformity (Galadriel came from ‘Glad you are well’ – a common greeting). The term 'High Elves' came into common use as a form of greeting - 'Hi, Elveses' - and was later improved and changed to the more common form for collective use. The location of the Cloaked City, a mystery for a long time, has been proved to be on the 'Dark' side of the moon where emerging technology led to its discovery in our post-war years. Originally - and still effective - the prototype cloaking method was to hide it all behind a chunk of rock. The general location is known as the 'Grey Havens' - from 'Gray Havens' where its location was represented in a particular form of binary code [That’s the IT angle folks]. The King was also known colloquially as the 'Binary Star' or 'King of Rock'. Terms such as 'heavens above' were derived from 'Havens above' and through some weird knowledge actually indicated the true location of the cloaked city without anyone understanding why.
@ Clint Sharp: You bastard! I had a gobful of coffee when I read your post. Bill for cleaning is in the mail.
@ Dave: Some things are too subtle for "Hate2Register". Probably never was read "The Emporer's New Clothes" when (s)he was a kid.
@ Me: Forgot to mention the elf and the Predator that were clearly invisible in that pic...
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