they didnt already?
surely: "firearms, ammunition & parts" on the list of things you can't sell covers it?
it just seemed odd that they'd feel the need to list every part by name..
After learning that items purchased on eBay may have been used in the Virginia Tech shootings this past April, the popular online auction site has revised its policy on firearms, weapons, and knives. On April 16, in Blacksburg, Virginia, a student at Virginia Tech University killed 32 people and wounded 25 before committing …
I have purchased rare, out of production brass ammunition casings on eBay and will miss the ability to do so again. However, even though I am against this decision and will argue that violent criminals will use other just as convenient and even more anonymous means to acquire weapons, it is eBay's right to do so as they see fit.
Out of how many auctions of such items have caused similar events.
I guess none.
Seems a little O.T.T.
I can understand why eBay have done this, but as mentioned in other comments some people are purchasing these parts for historical or even as part of a hobby but now are all going to be penalised for 1 event.
I'm not trying to detract from the terrible events of that day, but could you see a shop keeper closing his store down just because he sold someone (who had a licence to purchase equipment and own that weapon) the parts and sundries for it?
Didnt think so.
In the relatively good word-of-mouth community of firearms, a company specializing in the legal items E-bay just chose to decline for political or just as likely overly cautious of litigation reasons probably could do just fine.
Big enough market to not be a niche, but small enough to not need overwhelming resources to pull it off.
Since anything, anything at all, somebody at some time or other, let's ban EVERYTHING from eBay!
Heard the one about the woman who tried to win a contest drinking water, and died from water overdose? Let's ban sales of WATER!!
eBay should take a deep breath, step back, and think, what are we doing, just selling stuff, or trying to keep deadly weapons away from criminals. If the latter, they should just close up shop. For another example, autos kill people all the time, they should (following their logic) terminate all car sales.
It's wack-a-doo time!!
I have used eBay in the past to purchase parts and accessories for my guns and will greatly miss the ability. It was cheap, convenient, and with the right seller, quick shipping. When will the fascists at eBay learn that they can't police the world? Why hurt the normal, law-abiding citizens because of the actions of one crazed nut? Don't they realize that all they are doing is hurting their business because loyal customers, like myself, must now go elsewhere? It's not like they are going to keep me from getting what I want. I guess I will have to go one of their competitors, like gunbroker.com, instead. The only problem is that the majority of the sellers there won't take PayPal or other online pay services.
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Simply put: eBay have a perfect right to define what people can and can't sell.
If they decide not to allow people to sell firearms and munitions, body parts, small children and hardcore porn then that is up to them - particularly (and this is most likely the point) if they don't want their name dragged through the mire when some terrible tragedy befalls another US school / university / shopping mall etc. It's simply them protecting themselves from future implication as most large corporations with a worldwide presence and reputation to protect would do...
Fair enough I say - although I'm from the UK where we don't allow people to carry guns at will (unless you live in Manchester seemingly).
As you point out - it won't make any real difference - if you want to buy that stuff there are many other outlets that will take your money. Most of your ire seems to be directed at the fact that you can't use your paypal account - I consider it faintly ironic that without the 'eBay fascists' you would not have the paypal service that you wish to use with other vendors!
eBay have been very tight on just what firearms related auctions they ban/remove.
A few friends recently tried to auction the Transformer toy Masterpiece Megatron which is a robot that transforms into a oversized, but realistic looking, gun. The auctions were cancelled and removed and they were told that new firearms auction rules for eBay were the reason for it.
Seems silly to not allow people to auction obvious pretend weapons on the site.
You could look at it in the same way as the supermarkets' decision to restrict sale of paracetamol tablets - it doesn't stop someone determined, but it does place a speedbump in the way of casual or impulsive decisions to do harm.
Wider availability of weapons means from a purely statistical standpoint that it's more likely that an ill, unstable or inappropriate person is going to have access.
"Why hurt the normal, law-abiding citizens because of the actions of one crazed nut?"
Who are you talking about eBay or any western government.
I'm a little surprised at the reactions so far, especially the knee jerk comments that slate eBay. Let's not forget that in the land of the cowering, you can get sued for just about anything, so if I were eBay I'd do the same.
And judging by some of the comments, the only group that will really suffer are the historical collectors, so unfortunately they will have to go to a real live auction instead. The gun totting nuts have all claimed that they can source all the stuff locally just not as cheap.
Ebay's decision is not about policing the world! Its about staying out of a politically touchy subject! Its a bit different to corner shops selling cocaine because "its up to the user to abstain"! Legal issue, so its policed in the market place.
Its not a legal issue, just a politcal one, so there is no relevance to "policing" anything!
Sex toys aren't illegal, but you proabably won't catch Tesco stocking a whole section because its not something they want to be associated with.
Apologies for the extreme (and weird!) analogies, but I think some of the comments are rather extreme (and weird!) reactions! Ebay just don't wanna play in this sandpit!
PS Morale Highground? Is that a hill where the happy people go?
Paintball 'Guns's, (although Paintball Marker is the correct term,) are already banned for sale in Ebay UK, but you can buy them quite happily on Ebay US. But this is because Paintball Markers are classified as Air Weapons under UK law.
But this means that they will undoubtedly become banned for sale on Ebay US as well as technically in the US they are classified as Firearms. Which means a loss of a market in the US Ebay for paintballers there.
What it will result in is the same as in the UK. As we can't buy/sell paintball markers through Ebay we use paintball forums where paintballers gather. Commonly they'll sell over the forums but make the cash/item exchange at a paintball event. This is most likely what will happen with firearms if they do that on Ebay. They'll just push those people interested in these particular items to less well known markets, or other auction sites.
Ebay's loss due to over-reaction tbh !!
I've seen cars sold on eBay that have then gone on to kill people, be used as get-away cars, and commit speeding/parking offences.
Oh, and some eBay supplied PCs have been used for hacking, storing kiddy porn etc.
BAN THEM ALL.
I'll be interested to see how this works, as I'm continually finding things with rule breaking entries (you know the type "Honda not suzuki yamaha kawasaki"), and even after reporting them, they still persist.
Ebay is a private company and can sell what it likes. If the people in charge decide that they don't want to be part of gun brokering industry then fair enough. There are other places to buy such things. I am sure there would be a much larger outcry if the government forced Ebay to stop selling this stuff. Ebay aren't policing the world, they are policing themselves, and if more companies put ethics higher on the agenda then simply making more and more money I think there would be some very interesting consequences.
"I consider it faintly ironic that without the 'eBay fascists' you would not have the paypal service that you wish to use with other vendors!"
Whilst I agree with the sentiments of your comment, for historical accuracy, I do believe that paypal existed before ebay. They just bought it, like anything else they fancy, skype et al!
That's not to say the irony isn't still there! "Fcuk ebay but can I still use paypal please?"
They cost twice as much and you have to assemble them yourself.
Meanwhile, back in Hazard County...
Standard knee jerk reaction, but to be expected and as has been pointed out - it's well within their rights. Given the time it's taken to decide on the ban I presume they measured how much money they're making from that sector and decided they wouldn't miss it. It's hardly a socially concious decision is it?
They're magazines, not clips. I have clips for my M1, but magazines for my 1911.
I buy almost everything from Cheaper Than Dirt.
I guess eBay will shortly be banning the sale of OEM Microsoft products. When I bought my W2K CD, it came with a 32MB DIMM, that may or may not have worked.
I just find it annoying to me, in particular, because I am one of those people most directly affected by their decision. I can appreciate everyone's point of view here, even eBay's business perspective. The comment about eBay buying Paypal (like everything else), I found particularly amusing. It just aggravates me that eBay used to be an open forum to sell (almost) anything. That is what got them to the top of the intenet marketplace and I, myself, have been active in that climb to the top. I've been a member for 8 years! My favorite is when they ban an auction because someone forgot to put one of their key words in there to warn the buyer of something or another. Anymore, they come up with reasons to ban this or that because it is potentially offensive to someone, can be used in a wrongful way, or just plain controversial. Isn't that best left to the Republicans? ;)
The knee-jerk reaction isn't e-Bay's. It's "The American Public"'s or "The American Media"'s. If "they" kicked up a hoo-ha about a car bought off e-Bay which was then involved in a fatal collision, e-Bay might start to consider controlling the sale of cars via their website. "Campus shootings", however, are a cause for hand-wringing and recrimination (pretty much regardless of which Western nation they happen in), whereas automobile-related fatalities are part of the cost of doing business.
e-Bay are taking a rational business decision based on recognising the irrationality of the masses.
In the UK it's illegal to resell tickets for football matches on the internet - someone once bought one on ebay and died of a paper cut from the ticket or something. However, a quick search of ebay will always turn up souvenir scarves for sale with free match tickets for big games.
So, maybe you could consider selling "God Bless America" bumper stickers and include a free bullet clip, M16, trigger-finger etc...
"Quite frankly I don't see why anyone should be allowed to buy or sell items which have the SOLE purpose of killing other people... "
But of course most guns don't have the SOLE purpose of killing other people.
Still as others have pointed out there are other auction sites and in the UK we have to finalise the sale at a face to face meeting - usually in the back corner of a supermarket car park!
David Harville, eBay's former director of global resiliency, pleaded guilty this week to five felony counts of participating in a plan to harass and intimidate journalists who were critical of the online auction business.
Harville is the last of seven former eBay employees/contractors charged by the US Justice Department to have admitted participating in a 2019 cyberstalking campaign to silence Ina and David Steiner, who publish the web newsletter and website EcommerceBytes.
Former eBay employees/contractors Philip Cooke, Brian Gilbert, Stephanie Popp, Veronica Zea, and Stephanie Stockwell previously pleaded guilty. Cooke last July was sentenced to 18 months behind bars. Gilbert, Popp, Zea and Stockwell are currently awaiting sentencing.
A now-former eBay security director accused of harassing a couple who wrote a critical newsletter about the internet tat bazaar is set to plead guilty to cyberstalking.
Five of them pleaded guilty; Baugh and David Harville, eBay's now-ex-director of global resiliency, denied the allegations and were due to go on trial.
United States president Joe Biden has announced his intention to nominate former HPE and eBay CEO Meg Whitman as Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the Republic of Kenya.
The Biden administration's announcement of the planned nomination reminds us that Whitman has served as CEO of eBay, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, and Quibi. Whitman also serves on the boards of Procter & Gamble, and General Motors.
The announcement doesn't remind readers that Whitman has form as a Republican politician – she ran for governor of California in 2010, then backed the GOP's Mitt Romney in his 2008 and 2012 bids for the presidency. She later switched political allegiance and backed the presidential campaigns of both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
A couple from the US who run a small ecommerce publication have launched legal action against eBay accusing the company of a "coordinated effort to intimidate, threaten to kill, torture, terrorize, stalk and silence" them to muzzle their coverage.
The allegations – made in a complaint lodged in the US District Court of Massachusetts this week – are the latest chapter in a long-running case that has already resulted in guilty pleas from a number of former employees in what has become known as the "eBay cyberstalking case".
Lawyers acting on behalf of the owners of EcommerceBytes – an online trade publication that covers the ecommerce industry run by journalists Ina and David Steiner - said the intimidation was so bad they were in fear for their lives.
Two senior eBay executives who have refused to join their colleagues and plead guilty to charges of cyberstalking have been hit with a string of fresh charges.
James Baugh, 45, was eBay senior director of safety and security, and David Harville, 48, was its director of global resiliency when they were arrested back in June, along with four other eBay employees accused of stalking and intimidating a married couple who published a newsletter for the ecommerce industry that was critical of eBay.
Both Baugh and Harville were charged with conspiracy to commit cyberstalking and conspiracy to tamper with witnesses. But despite their colleagues admitting waging a campaign against the couple – which included sending disturbing items such as a preserved fetal pig, a bloody pig Halloween mask and a book on surviving the loss of a spouse to their home address – both execs maintain they are innocent.
Four of the seven former eBay employees charged with cyberstalking a couple critical of the web auction house are scheduled to plead guilty next month.
In June, the US Justice Department charged six former staffers – director of safety and security James Baugh, 45, of San Jose, California; director of global resiliency David Harville, 48, of New York City; manager of global intelligence Stephanie Stockwell, 26, of Redwood City, California; and eBay Global Intelligence Center staffers Stephanie Popp, 32, Veronica Zea, 26, and Brian Gilbert, 51, all of San Jose – with conspiring to commit cyberstalking and tamper with witnesses.
The US Attorney's Office of Massachusetts on Wednesday said four former eBay employees charged in that case plan to admit guilt at a video conference hearing scheduled for October 8, 2020.
The Feds have secured another guilty plea in the eBay cyberstalking case where former employees of the online auction house targeted and harassed a couple who were critical of the company in their ecommerce newsletter.
Philip Cooke, 55, oversaw eBay’s security operations in Europe and Asia and was a former police captain in Santa Clara, California. He pleaded guilty this week to conspiracy to commit cyberstalking and conspiracy to tamper with witnesses.
Cooke, based in San Jose, was just one of seven employees, including one manager, accused of targeting a married couple living on the other side of the United States, in Massachusetts, because they didn’t like their criticisms of eBay in the newsletter.
Second-hand tat bazaar eBay was unavailable for some UK users this week, after Virgin Media and TalkTalk mistakenly blacklisted the site’s CDN in their parental control filtering software.
The error was spotted by UK digital civil liberties watchdog, The Open Rights Group, which estimated the problem affected between 20 and 30 per cent of Virgin Media and Talk Talk customers, and lasted at least three days.
We've heard it all before – tot addicted to crappy freemium game on Daddy's iPad runs up £3,000 bill from in-app purchases, Dad whinges to local newspaper.
However, our cynical hearts go out to the father whose six-year-old son splashed £19,000 through his PayPal account – on an actual, real-life monster truck.
Mohammad Faraji, from Wallsend in North Tyneside, England, told ChronicleLive that he's now being chased by debt collectors over a piece of extreme engineering that he never wanted nor has the means to pay for.
Unlike arch-rival Amazon, eBay has assured the 300,000 third parties that use its online marketplaces it will continue to absorb the UK government's Digital Services Tax (DST) rather than pass it on.
From April, large multinationals that generate revenue via social media platforms, search engines or web souks were ordered to pay a 2 per cent tax on turnover in Britain. Last week, Amazon said it could no longer afford to pay that tax on behalf of the sellers that use its sales arena.
eBay, however, is clearly trying to exploit that to win favour, and who could blame them: "eBay is one of the marketplaces which will have to pay the new tax – and a lot of you have asked whether we at eBay will be passing on this tax to our sellers in the form of new fees.
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