back to article BoJo buckles: UK govt to cut Huawei 5G kit use 'to zero by 2023' after pressure from Tory MPs, Uncle Sam

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has reportedly agreed to a plan that will entirely cut Huawei equipment from the nation's 5G networks within the next three years. The word from Britain late on Friday, strategically via the Guardian and Telegraph, is that Johnson has caved after months of pressure from the backbench of his …

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  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Are there IntelAIgent Military Coup Options for Treasonous RAT Problems in Cabinet Offices?

    You have all been here before, haven't you.

    National relatively secret intelligence services deliberations and opinions being completely ignored in favour of that of a belligerent foreign administration in a distant wild wacky western land, with useful moles and Remote Access Trojans preciously embedded and precariously wedded to a politically incorrect and inept effete.

    You do remember the right dodgy Campbell Blair Scarlett Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction dossier which had life long intelligence and military officers played as useless fools with useful tools?

    It appears lessons promised to be learned from then have certainly not be learned and the same sub-prime game plan, which ignores the cream of intelligence analysis, is prepared for play again by muppets who be more enamoured of their puppet status than pleased to server OHMSS? That methinks is a fine and dandy ripe recipe for a colossal counterintelligence revolution with civil disobedience of government instructions the very least of home grown problems to deal with. Once that Sisyphusian Rock Star starts rolling, it aint for stopping for nothing until it has destroyed all deceit and everything in its wakes and paths.

    The abiding difficulty which you might have, and which leaves you catastrophically vulnerable to total collapse and systemic annihilation, is you cannot believe it simply possible, even as clear evidence of the rot and present danger abound around you everywhere.

    Does that mean y'all are stupid ....... or you just get to see and hear about all of the new almighty overwhelming problems you now be facing?

    It would be quite something if Einstein was right, although not in any good way ......... "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Does that mean y'all are stupid .....?

      Please accept our apologies for the paragraph above starting ....Does that mean y’all are stupid……. for it should end with .... ...... or you just didn’t and still don’t and may never get to see and hear about all of the new almighty overwhelming problems you now be facing?

      It is though, despite it being so personally damaging and systemically earth shaking and ground breaking, an extremely convenient and reasonably valid excuse/virtual fig leaf for the persistence of ignorance in the myriad parades of arrogance.

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Unrestricted Warfare and the CCP

      The arrogance that "our" way is the high way. You'll be telling us next that the UK's "divine right of kings" was sound doctrine and the UK is responsible for policing the planet. Good luck with that with no money in the kitty.

      There are encyclopedias worth of evidence on how untrustworthy certain western governments are.

  3. Rick.PGC
    FAIL

    How quickly we forget Snowden

    The main issue is that Chinese kit may not have a back door, which would be a big problem for CIA or GHCQ. The second issue is whether you have a problem with China, or USA, or UK monitoring your stuff. I will happily share everything with all of them simply to use up their CPU time to figure out that I am probably not a threat.

    1. foo_bar_baz
      Boffin

      Re: How quickly we forget Snowden

      All telecom equipment provides lawful interception. I don't see why they'd need back doors.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: How quickly we forget Snowden

        All telecom equipment provides lawful interception. I don't see why they'd need back doors. ......foo_bar_baz

        Here's more specific information on the nature and scope of interception facilities and abilities, foo_bar_baz ........... Full Disclosure. The Internet Dark Age

        An illuminating read which has one wondering, if so much is so easily known about practically anything or anyone and everything, why current brains in the system cannot put everything together better and to greater intelligent use and oft share something ground breaking and even Earth- shattering?

        Perhaps such is as a threshold for human intelligence which requires a quantum leap of further understanding to storm over and benefit inordinately from?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Eeep!!

    My Huawei phone keeps sending money to China via Amazon, should I be concerened? I did receive some shiny tat for my troubles. Ah well, shouldnt worry.

  5. martinusher Silver badge

    Maybe by 2023 we will have some competitive kit

    Its a two pronged approach. Do what you can politically to hobble Huawei while cobbling together kit of our own that might just be competitive. It might just work. It probably won't because our infrastructure, technical education and corporate structures aren't set up to make competitive kit -- its how we ended up handing the market to Huawei and other Chinese companies in the first place. The only way to regain the initiative is a massive government investment program, a program that can't be implemented by handing huge sums of money to legacy players (you've seen how this works out many times). There just isn't enough money to be made in a realistic timeframe to attract suficent private capital.

    If SpaceX's launch goes off OK this week (hopefully) expect Trump et al to lay on the "triumph of American technology' bit really thick; instead of seeing it as success despite innumerable financial and technical obstacles its a validation of the system. The reality is that Musk, like Huawei, saw an opening in the market and went for it, everyone involved worked their tails off and despite setbacks made it hjappen.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Patents

    Huawei hold many key 5G patents, thanks to spending a lot of money over several years on R&D

    The UK has none and therefore no access to the patent pool.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Patents

      Interesting. Whilst the good reason for blocking Huawei is nation security, maybe the real reason is that Donny thinks they need to be punished for being more innovative than the US - how dare they.

      America is in for some big surprises in the coming decades. And not in a good way.

  7. Spanners Silver badge
    Holmes

    Can't we just wait?

    If we just do the "British thing" and think about it for a while, it is possible that the US might end up with an adult for president next year.

    A grown up in the job might reconsider all the protectionist falsehoods that SCROTUS has come up with in his time as Idiot In Charge. The claims he made about Huawei need to be investigated and have been. His, and our, spooks apparently found nothing. They should keep those processes running. Our security services need to be as vigilant against US software .

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Brexit

    bending over showing bottom to be sodomised by Uncle $am.

  9. codemonkey
    Joke

    FUD

    Take that as you will.

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