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The cover has been blown on an NSA program which collects data on “nearly everything a user does on the internet” even as the debate rages over the secretive US agency's mass surveillance of innocent people. The XKeyscore program covers emails, social media activity and browsing history and is accessible to NSA analysts with …

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  1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    It was all lawful by the laws that were in force at the time.

    Hmmm.

    This sounds strangely familiar.

    Perhaps it's time humankind updated its list of "Memes that people on trial for crimes against humanity trot out in their defense."

    1. Don Jefe
      Unhappy

      Re: It was all lawful by the laws that were in force at the time.

      Lawful by all the laws and 100% in opposition to the original intent of the law.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Time to go back to the manual typewriter, stencils for mimeograph machine and passing Samizdat material between reistance cells.

  3. CalmCalmCalm

    I believe that this is all about the huge civil unrest which the Upper Class know full well is on the horizon.

    Every protester will be branded as a "Domestic Terrorist".

    It stuns me that no one within mainstream media have spoken about this program being implemented as a method of control and as a means of gathering evidence to use in courtrooms as protesters are charged with civil unrest. All information will be used to show a "Pattern" and will be used to track down everyone associated with the arrested protester in an attempt to entice friends and associates of the accused protester to become an informant and to testify against the protester in court.

    Every step ..... every court appearance over the past 10 years is not so much to implement justice but to create legal precedents as thousands of arrests take place as the economy continues to crumble.

    The futurists with government recognized as far back as 1980 (when Free Trade was introduced) that there was no way that the U.S. Capitalists could honor the promises made to the working class since the end of WWII. Free Trade allowed the Capitalists the unfettered ability to move all assets and wealth offshore and out of reach to anyone wanting to sue in lieu of broken promises and loss of pensions, etc.

    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/EconomicNotes.html

    I believe that this is the first song about Edward Snowden

    Every Call You Make

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loSlVXtZj8s

    Calm

    1. Maharg
      Facepalm

      The futurists with government recognized as far back as 1980 (when Free Trade was introduced) that there was no way that the U.S. Capitalists could honor the promises...

      government recognized as far back as 1980 (when Free Trade was introduced) that there was no that the U.S...

      recognized as far back as 1980 (when Free Trade was introduced) that there...

      far back as 1980 (when Free Trade was introduced) that there...

      1980 (when Free Trade was introduced)

      What?

    2. Dan Paul

      One plus One Equals Two

      In this world of smoky backroom justice served out by the most ambitious criminals that have ever been elected, you can bet your bippy that the One Percenters will do everything they can to bring down the world economy and start WW3 so that they can profit from war like they have many times in the past. Looks like all the pieces of their plans are falling in place.

      In order to accomplish this, they first have to disarm the American Public which is already happening in Democratically controlled states like New York and California. This is so we cannot take the country back from the criminals who now run it.

      They have already ruined the value of the dollar (and gutted the political power of the unions) by sending all manufacturing overseas, left us with shrinking purchasing power from inflation (which they deny has happened), fully 30% of this country is at the edge of poverty (because ordinary people cannot ask for better wages) and qualify for some kind of public benefits (so they can buy our cooperation).

      It won't take much more to push the economy over the edge, leading us all into WW3 so there can be a mass depopulation resulting in lots of open real estate to make even more money on.

      The obscenely rich oligarchy that actually runs the world is doing this deliberately as they have done time and time again. Call me what you will but the truth will become self evident soon enough.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Works for me

    I hope the NSA is monitoring all internet communication. That's the best protection we have.

    1. Don Jefe

      Re: Works for me

      Too bad they can't protect us from moose cocks like yourself.

      1. NukEvil

        Re: Works for me

        Do NOT insult moose cocks by labeling him as one. Moose cocks serve a useful purpose.

        1. Brian Allan

          Re: Works for me

          I'm sure Moose(s) would agree...

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Internet 2.0

    Did we ever really believe that the 'authorities' were never going to listen to our openly broadcast, un-encrypted internet traffic? Of course they were, even if it was illegal, because lets face it, doing illegal stuff has never been an impediment before. So now they have been found out. Shall we arrest them? Do you have an army to other-throw them? Thought not. And despite any 'assurances' they may now give us over this, will you ever trust them again?

    So we now have to accept the internet is tainted and that's never going away. My only hope is that there are throngs of 'libertarians' furiously cooking up Internet 2.0.

  6. thomas k.

    my friend, the terrorist ...

    Perhaps we should all start including phrases like "my friend the terrorist says we should wage jihad against the Western imperialist warmongers by any means neccesary" randomly into our emails and forum posts so that these trolling programs are inundated with false positives, sort of like a civil disobedience DDOS attack.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: thomas k. Re: my friend, the terrorist ...

      "Perhaps we should all start including phrases....." So you actually think it would be a smart idea to impede the hunt for potential terrorists? Please do try and explain your hip'n'trendy humour to the families of the victims of 9/11, the London Tube bombings, the Madrid train bombings, etc., etc.

      1. Bernard M. Orwell

        Re: thomas k. my friend, the terrorist ...

        "So you actually think it would be a smart idea to impede the hunt for potential terrorists? Please do try and explain your hip'n'trendy humour to the families of the victims of 9/11, the London Tube bombings, the Madrid train bombings, etc., etc."

        All of these events occurred after the establishment of the surveillance systems we are discussing.

        In each of these cases it can be shown that the intelligence services of the countries affected were, at least to some degree, partially aware of the perpetrators and the potential risk that they may have been planning such crimes. Perhaps you would care to explain to the families how the systems paid for by their taxes, maintained by their caring governments and its agencies and used to monitor the victims (amongst the rest of us) of such attacks were NOT protected by this amazing, complex and powerful IT/Interception system?

        I will cheerfully explain to the collateral victims of these terrible attacks why the measures being implemented and proposed will not prevent future attacks if you can explain to them why it didn't prevent previous attacks.

        1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
          FAIL

          Re: Boring Bernie Re: thomas k. my friend, the terrorist ...

          "....All of these events occurred after the establishment of the surveillance systems we are discussing....." All happened when the systems concerned operated under ridiculous restrictions forced on them by the PC crowd, restrictions which even today have not been more than slightly relaxed. And they also had to act in stupidly restricted non-cooperation - the FBI could "spy" on people inside the continental US under very tight guidelines, but the CIA couldn't and the NSA only could after wading through enough red-tape to slow any investigation to a crawl. The Secret Service didn't share info with the DEA, which meant trying to track terror arms deals using counterfeit money from Iran was a nightmare. Immigration was a political hot-potato so there was no attempt to seriously track even those from known unfriendly countries once they got into the US, and the visa system was so abused and protected by the PC crowd as to make practical controls a joke. And, after the meddling of the Clintons, the US DoJ was too busy playing politics to be of any use at all. The US didn't just force the very bodies created to protect it to do so with one arm tied behind their backs, but also with a blindfold on and earplugs in and a pillow wrapped around the free hand, which had to ask before it could even reach out. Your failure to realize that is why you stupidly shriek and bleat about the "revealations" of the still highly regulated and restricted activities of the alphabet agencies today.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How long before the Guardian is 'investigated' for some bullshit trumped up charges, tax evasion, etc?

    Not really a fan of a lot of their views but they seem to be the only major newspaper in this country with a set of bollocks, good on them. Who else is breaking these stories, rags like the Sun and the Mail? 'Respectable' newspapers like the Times? Fuck all, that's who!

  8. Maharg

    No one cares about you.

    You all remember ‘Tom’ the guy you would automatically get as your friend on MySpace? It was a way for the NSA to look at your profile!!!!!!!!11111

    Anyone who thought they couldn’t do this is stupid, anyone who thinks they do this t to them, has a massively inflated ego, this may be a shock BUT YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT, if they monitor you it’s because of one of two things,

    1) they suspect you are dangerous, and you are not,

    2) they suspect you are dangerous and you are.

    When I say ‘dangerous’ I don’t mean because of you being such a free spirit, or that you follow Wikileaks on twitter, you think fluoride is a mind control drug they put in water, or you posted you don’t like Obama on facebook, I mean because you just came back from holiday in Yemen, bought a shit load of Ammonium nitrate, copper wiring and an old school ticking alarm clock and a copy of Catcher in the Rye.

    If they had such a free run on doing this, and the black helicopters are constantly overhead, they would have so many unidentified serial killers running around? Or that guy who tried to set up a car bomb in Time Square would have been able to get as far as actually parking the car? What about the guy who set fire to his pants on a plan? You think they ignored him but focus on you instead?

    This is not a movie, if someone gets shot you don’t hear Police sirens in the distance a minute later, the NSA are not spying on you, they could if they wanted to, but they don’t, and yes, NASA really did land on the moon.

    Prepared for down votes.

    1. Don Jefe
      Alert

      Re: No one cares about you. Or you either apparently, you need help before you stroke out

      MySpace Tom was an NSA agent? Holy shit! That little fucker.

      Not worried about Tom though. I foiled their nefarious plot by deleting Tom. Ha! Take that über secret multibillion dollar spy agency!

      1. Maharg

        Re: No one cares about you. Or you either apparently, you need help before you stroke out

        What determines a dangerous person is one thing, what the NSA can afford to determine as dangerous enough to warrant the cost, time and effort is another. As I said, we have had a few close calls that we know about, god knows how many we don’t, the idea that they are, or even could if they want to monitor and document what every single Muslim, Communist or left handed person does is just silly, even Joe McCarthy couldn’t do it when the internet didn’t exist and he had most of American on his side.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No one cares about you.

      You are most likely correct here, but you're forgetting one thing. Who defines what 'dangerous' is? We've already seen people go lose all sense of logic and go absolutely batshit insane over the newest 'enemy', whether it be Communists in the 50s or Muslims in the 00s. The concept of a 'dangerous' person has been loosely applied already, ask those poor bastards who spent years in Guantanamo for no particular reason other than they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      1. Don Jefe
        Unhappy

        Re: No one cares about you.

        Defining dangerous is the core of the issue and far too vulnerable to political manipulation/redefinition. Political party affiliations, campaign donations, ethnicity, religion. All these things have been considered dangerous in the past and will certainly be again if it suits someone's agenda.

        Look at the loons who are in Congress now. They're scared of Muslims, the Chinese, Mexicans, poor people and educated people. If those people are representative of their constituents I can only imagine the level of irrational fear among the general populace.

      2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        Re: No one cares about you.

        "Who defines what 'dangerous' is? "

        And that is the point.

        As a citizen of a representative democracy or "free" society going about their law abiding business I should have the right to expect the government to not spy on me because I have done nothing.

        IE I have to have done something to warrant surveillance in the first place.

        Understand this. The storage and processing so cheap that everyone can be watched basically because they can. No justification is needed and no actual evidence is needed either.

        1. Maharg
          Facepalm

          Re: No one cares about you.

          In that case, how do you suggest they gather evidence to see if you are doing anything wrong? Or would you rather just wait until something happens?

          I guess you have an issue with CCTV cameras as well then? Or what about Policemen walking around the street? “Stop looking at things Mr Policeman, you might see me!”

          This is passive surveillance, unless you do something that warrants their attention, they are not looking at YOU, nobody cares about you, get over yourself.

  9. Mnot Paranoid

    Gosh, if I was a terrorist, I might be thinking that using computer networks to communicate really was a bad idea.

    I might be thinking about OTP, shortwave radio and posting letters.

    1. Don Jefe

      I think that's a core problem in TWAT (The War Against Terror). There's this assumption that terrorists have big strategy meetings where they layout all their plans in detailed electronic formats and continue the conversations using common terms. Even street corner drug dealers and pimps don't use regular terms in their messages and conversations.

      It doesn't take flow charts, Gantt charts and info graphics to strap a bomb to some dumbass volunteer and send him into a mosque, market or train station. It isn't a complicated process. Unless you're talking extra stupid bad guys there isn't going to be anything to collect from the surveillance other than 'Don't go to the place that day.' or something useless like that.

  10. JaitcH
    Black Helicopters

    Rgister your telephones as something Pizza

    Yesterday (Wednesday), in Washington, at the Senate, NSA deputy director John Inglis let out a little secret when he said: "they (NSA using telephone metadata) “try to be judicious” and that when there is a second hop or third hop, they “may only do that for a subset of numbers. ”If a “pizza deliveryman” is included in one of those hops, “you don’t go after that,” he said.

    So, all terrorists, register your cell as Ali's Pizza, or something similar, and the NSA will ignore you!

    THANK YOU, NSA deputy director John Inglis. Dummy.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I can't help wondering... if Mr Snowden, wanted to change the world... why has he done it this way?

    He was in a position where he could have run live intercepts between highly placed individuals, matching and capturing historical data and current data.

    All he needed to do to shut this all down was capture two days worth of several highly placed Congressmen, and Senators, a few world others leaders, communications and release it all (with maybe some redactions).

    I'm betting that would have had it shut down in hours.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "xkeyscore sees nearly everything"

    This is good news, IMO. Keep up the fine work folks. It's nice to know that at least a few people have a clue on national security.

    1. Simulacra75
      Facepalm

      Re: "xkeyscore sees nearly everything"

      Keep thinking that. Obvious Foggot.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      FAIL

      Re: "xkeyscore sees nearly everything"

      "This is good news, IMO. Keep up the fine work folks. It's nice to know that at least a few people have a clue on national security."

      Funny how those who support mass surveillance and the elimination of all online privacy do so from the anonymity of the AC?

      Do you get the idea of irony?

  13. Alan Firminger

    US Congress considerred the previous release by Snowdoen

    And they voted marginally to let the spooks continue.

    Now how many Congressmen and Senators have something salacious to hide, hint depends on sexuality in all its forms except an early return to a loving home.

    All the analysts will pass over this allowed behaviour until a bit of money sends them to flog their stories to the press. Then there will be a Levenson in the US with all sorts of indiscretions brought up.

    Someone with something to hide is the legislators.

  14. Brian Allan

    So, if you're acting within the law, who gives a dam! If you're acting outside the law, I hope you get caught!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Swamp them over

    We should all do what they did to porn on P2P networks - flood their systems with bogus occurences and false positives. Where would they be if 50M+ of us regularly posted the words "kill the president" "terrorism" "make bombs" and "destroy america" for example?

    We need to create (and update) a master list of such terms, and food the public boards/social networks with them!

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: AC Re: Swamp them over

      "We should all do what they did to porn on P2P networks - flood their systems with bogus occurences and false positives....." So, because of your unproven paranoia, you want to interfere with processes to find terrorists plotting to attack the US or allies? Working on the assumption that you live in one of those countries, what you are saying is you do not want the authorities to do anything proactive to find terrorists before they act, because that upsets your delicate and paranoid delusions, but instead you want them to wait until after the terrorists have acted? Seriously? So who do you think that benefits?

      I know the desire to appear hip'n'trendy often over-rides the ability for the sheeple to think straight but surely even a blinkered twit like you should realize that would only make things worse in two ways. Firstly, it would make life easier for the terrorists that want to harm even sheeple like you. Secondly, it would only encourage the authorities to use illegal or even more restrictive methods regarding the Internet. If they can't monitor the Internet then they will start breaking it into segments, compartmentailising it, and restricting the very freedoms you bleat about. Enjoy your stupidity.

  16. The Alpha Klutz

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsdiYUnKyzk

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: The Aplha Klutz

      So what you're saying is you believe a conspiracy theory that anyone that challenges a conspiracy theory online is just working for The Man? How tightly wound is that tinfoil hat?

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