back to article US govt straight up accuses Russia of hacking prez election

The Russian government "directed the recent compromises of emails from US persons and institutions," the US Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said on Friday, an accusation that gives formal recognition to a claim previously voiced through unnamed sources. In late July, The …

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    1. JustNiz

      Re: Different world views

      >> Politely pointing out that deploying poisonous radio-actives in foreign capitals, shooting down passenger jets, annexing foreign countries and attempting to undermine the US election is not nice might get you somewhere in the long term.

      This type of retarded thinking is exactly why, in only 75 years, the UK has gone from being a major world power to an insignificant 3rd world country.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Different world views

      "Politely pointing out that deploying poisonous radio-actives in foreign capitals, shooting down passenger jets, annexing foreign countries and attempting to undermine the US election is not nice might get you somewhere in the long term".

      I suppose you are suggesting that Russia did any of those things.

      But it didn't. Feel free to break out and join the "reality-based community" any time you like. Continuing to exist in The Matrix is optional.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Different world views

      Politely pointing out that deploying poisonous radio-actives in foreign capitals, shooting down passenger jets, annexing foreign countries and attempting to undermine the US election is not nice might get you somewhere in the long term.

      The tiny little problem with the polite approach is that the Russians then might simply assume that the USAians are looking in a mirror are engaging in a bit of honest reflection.

      I do not know whether the US have ever "deployed" radioactive materials in foreign capitals (although they did their level best to put some into a river supplying drinkung water to a quater-billion people), but they most certainly did mess with their share of civilian airliners, and the current US election candidates are already doing a rather good job at undermining the campaign with no external help at all.

      The point here is that I cannot honestly see how either side in this particular dispute has a moral right to do anything other than shut up and quietly try to get its own house into some semblance of order. Unfortunately, until both Russians and Americans recognize that their current approach to international affairs is only harming their own (and everybody else's) interests, nothing will change.

      1. a pressbutton

        Re: Different world views

        polonium in london

        with fatal consequences

  1. NonSSL-Login

    Pot...

    ...meet kettle.

    Meddling in elections and reigns of powers in foreign countries is only allowed to be done by us. Thinks every country doing the same thing.

    They tried to make the public associate Trump with Russia over the last months and then continue the Russia is Bad mantra. It appears to be part of someone strategy to lose him votes and get Hillary elected.

  2. scrubber
    Mushroom

    At least in the arms race during the cold war there were obvious reasons for not using the weapons, in the tech war they deploy these weapons as soon as they have them, often against their own citizens. Farewell sweet privacy, we barely knew you and now you're gone.

  3. RLWatkins

    Why thank the Russians?

    Poor babies had their system cracked. But why thank the Russians for doing it, when any twelve-year-old script kiddie could have managed the job? I mean, they can't be that sophisticated when the guy who tried to hard-wipe the e-mail had to ask a Reddit board how to go about it. What morons.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Our systems are so rock-solid secure that...

    "'Only Russia's senior-most officials' could authorize the exploitation of our weak security..."

    Unless it was some semi-autistic kid in his bedroom in London. Which, based on known history, it could very easily be.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Are you ready to do something about everything? Or support that which is?

    Whenever/If ever one discovers the true virtualised nature of the realities of one’s media related existence, with ITs current myriad questioning presentations of projects and programs collapsing and destroying sub-prime politically inept and perversely corrupt self-serving narratives, is one furnished with that which is both feared and lauded most in a crazy world disorder ….. advanced intelligence which can lead smartly and differently to planes with systems never before populated and administered to/humanised.

    Coming soon, to a mainline streaming media channel targeting you …… The Future According to Virtual Machine Rulers Regulating Novel Content ….. Immaculate Source Provision.

    Something for the BBC to present/commission? :-) Hmmm? Who is now Creative Director there, now that Alan Yentob has been released?

    Or does the BBC routinely abdicate its responsibility in house ….. “To enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain.” [BBC Mission statement] …. “To be the most creative organisation in the world.” [BBC Vision statement] ….. and rely on third party independent media companies/organisation/actors/agents for alternate realities and Greater IntelAIgent Games Play?

    Is that too obvious a rhetorical question?

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      They won't go away, you know, when forever morphing into championing phantoms.

      And it is engaging to ponder on who and/or what else would be likely to be interested in providing such a vital service for servers. Another foreign media outlet on important politically sensitive missions? An enlightened aspirational political party in competition or opposition to intellectually challenged status quo organisations? A struggling religious order? A Right Royal Household Division in need of repair and rebuilding to former glories? Millionaires and multi-millionaires and billionaires who wannabe anonymous state and non state actor leaders by remote autonomous proxy? Special forces on secret virtual manoeuvres to secure all vital advantageous positions? El Reg?

      All or any of these can be possible with a custom made role tailored for them to play and employ. And is such what current earthbound systems administrations are presently enthralled with and terrified of?

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  6. JeffyPoooh
    Pint

    Your e-voting future...

    Clinton: 78,487,563 votes

    Trump: 5,895,785,195,425,642,754,895,957,342 votes

    With just a bit of help from his friends.

    Tom Scott's rant on e-voting...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI

  7. zen1

    sigh

    While I must admit I'm no fan of Mr. Putin, I'm going to have to ask for irrefutable proof before I believe any of that. I've voted in 8 presidential elections so far and this the absolute worst of the worst. On behalf of the average American, I'd like to apologize for my country, the actions of the current administration and the two absolute morons who are fighting for the position now.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Diverse!

    "We have confidence in the overall integrity of our electoral systems," said Johnson. "It is diverse, "

    Well, there you go then.

    I don't want to pin Johnson down, but would it be safe to say it is of many colors and sings Kumbaya?

  9. Tail Up
    Paris Hilton

    Elections? There's a Rule #34 for it.

    And - them both keep a gun under the pillow. Vote, whos one is cocked up all night through?

    Paris, because she's a woman, too.

  10. Ted's Toy

    Government intelligence is an oxymoron. So how can any government have a agency which is intelligent?

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Well, now that we've thunk it, what you gonna do about it? Anything for Anyone to be Feared of?

      Government intelligence is an oxymoron. So how can any government have a agency which is intelligent? ... Ted's Toy

      Are governments then, with agency supplies of intelligence, simply self-serving fraudsters perpetuating a myth that they impart/import and export knowledge to build better worlds with?

      In a smarter world with new orderly world orders, would it be tolerated and allowed to survive and fester discontent and server to madness and mayhem with Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems, or would CHAOS collapse and destroy its funding sysadmins and supply roots?

  11. mhenriday
    Boffin

    Clarity, above all !

    «Asked by The Register to provide further information about how the DHS reached this conclusion, DHS spokesperson Scott McConnell declined to elaborate, referring back to the issued statement.

    The DHS and DNI caution that they are not now in a position to attribute attacks directed at election-related systems to the Russian government, despite the agencies' claim that most of those attacks have come from servers operated by a Russian company.»

    That settles it then - we know those dastardly Rooskies did it, but we can't attribute it to anybody. Thank you, Ms Clinton, for enlightening us....

    Henri

  12. Aodhhan

    Wait...wait, wait.

    So, the US Government states Russia is trying to interfere in elections by hacking into systems; yet it has no problem with a bunch of other governments purchasing favors and God knows what else, by sending a bunch of money to the Clinton's via their foundation?

    ...and second. The only way to be sure with HIGH CONFIDENCE a group or government is attacking you, is to have access inside their network to witness what is going on, by whom, and under what control or (likely classified) documents or other official message/voice traffic stating the fact.

    Either way, it's hypocritical.

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