Microsoft honcho pleads with media: 'Stop picking on us!' Microsoft has taken quite a pounding in the press over Windows 8, and it has only intensified the rumors that the planned update to the OS might roll back some of its more controversial features. But Redmond has had quite enough now, and it wants it all to stop. On Friday, Frank X. Shaw, Microsoft's corporate vice president of …
No start menu and metro....
I used the previews and did nit like them at all. Now I use the pro version of win 8 and will never go back.
The OS is rock solid everything works out of the box and I can run everything I did on win 7 without a hitch.
If I want to use apps I have the option to do so.
Yes it needs some tweaks but you guys and many reviewers make it out to be vista which it certainly is not.
What MS should say is STOP THE CLOSED MINDEDNESS!!!!!
Win 8 Ftw lol...
You're right. The the Win8 operating system itself is pretty solid but non-developers don't interact with the OS, they use the shell. Most of the complaints I've heard and seen are about the UI, as distinct from the OS it runs on.
If MS wants to turn this story around it'd take them about 10 minutes. Create a registry value called "FuckOffMetro". When this value is set to 1: all calls to the metro API return EUNKNOWN, and the Window 7 shell is used in favour of the one from Win8.
That alone would lower the volume of complaints about Win8 by an order of magnitude. Of course, it will never happen because that would involve MS admitting that they made a mistake.
But if you don't want to run in metro you don't have to, you can pin whatever to desktop or legacy taskbar so the only time you need metro is when you boot.
I don't get why everyone is crushing it when you have a choice?
Personally I use metro for a few things eg sports apps, tech apps and other news but otherwise I'm in desktop mode as if I'm using win 7 but with a better UI.
Obviously I am in the minority if they are talking about reverting to start menu, would prefer just an option to renew start vs fully bringing it back tbh.
The quirky, gimmicky style of your post combined with that dreadful last line leads me to one of two conclusions, you're either an MS ad agency shill trying to "get hip" and "down wiv da MS 'friends' " ( customers as adults call them ) or you are in fact a 14 year old ICT student who's entire IT experience started with Windows XP3 and has seen nothing of the evolution of consumer IT development in the last 25 years!
Actually am neither of those things, simply a consumer who has been using windows OS since about 95 not worried about being down voted for saying I like something even though the majority disagree.
Last couple of lines were a joke also just fyi as I know most of the folks here can't stand anyone actually praising anything created by MSFT.
My experience with win 8 - been using since August on my home desktop PC (not touch), tried going back to win 7 after using 8 for about 6 weeks and realized how much more I enjoyed using 8....
These URLs might interest some: "5 CEOs that truly deserve being fired":
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/05/12/oops-5-ceos-that-should-have-already-been-fired-cisco-ge-walmart-sears-microsoft/
"On Steve Ballmere's Gravestone"
http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-230468/
Not taking sides one way or the other... Just sharing the URLs since one is in a Sunday paper I am reading now.
Hey dickwad, try to get this straight.... we don't want metroturd, and we never will. Failure to address this issue will result in the second straight disaster for your company. It may well be time to clear out the deadwood at ms, 'cuz you clowns clearly don't seem to 'get it'...
How's that for extreme...?? 'Cept of course it's all true...
It seems that the insults that are fired at Windows 8 beyond not having a start button are the summary of ignorant compilation of experiences garnered over the years of failures with other MS products.
It's a good OS, get over it. Not everyone wants to fart around with an unsupported linux flavour with umpteen different interfaces possibilities. Most people want to be able to get what they want done in the fastest way possible. As for Max OS - it's fine, but no one wants to be tied to a single manufacturer.
TIFKAM aka Modern interface.
The neutered desktop that requires the addition of third party applications to make usable once again.
The schizophrenic nature of the switch from TIFKAM to desktop.
The Fisher-Price nature of TIFKAM as every bloody thing flashes at you.
The whole Windows 8/Windows RT clusterfuck.
SecureBoot. And yes, I am justified in this as it outs a MS initiative to control users.
Note: this is about the desktop, on mobile or other touch device it's passable.
LMAO you couldn't come up with something better than this??? Ohhhh noooo I have to move my cursor to the corners of the screen I don't have my shitty looking start menu anymore.
Please, when you get out of using baby arguments come post some more!!
Sick of whiny little cry babies about metro and start buttons.
Why do you need 3 things?
The user interface alone is a show stopper.
Apart from the lack of DVD replay, there was nothing to indicate the rest of the system isn't fine, as it is reputed to be.
Were Microsoft to put the windows shell (like win 2k, i.e nice and lean) on it and make it place nicely with existing XP domains (just like Windows 7 doesn't), it would be flying off the shelves, as opposed to providing a big boost to alternative systems.
"As for Max OS - it's fine, but no one wants to be tied to a single manufacturer."
Granted but tell me now, how many companies make and produce variants of the Windows O/S? Hmmm, tricky....
OSX will run on a vast arrary Intel based hardware combos, granted it's a little bit "naughty" and bit of a tiny thorn in Apple's little finger but it can't be hurting their bottom line that much else OSX86 and TonyMac websites would have been shut down yonks ago!
I tried, it installed fine. However the user interface is the worst desktop GUI, I have seen on any system I can think of, on a non touch screen device. (Including Windows 2 - 7, Gem, RISC OS, various Linuxes, OS/2, Android 86, mac 6 - X, Symbian, BB OS 4-6.)
This was a big disappointment, because I had planned to take up the cheap upgrade offer, but it was so bad I am going to move my PC over to Linux by the time support ends (undecided between Debian, Ubuntu-Mint and Debian-Mint), with an XP VM to run the odd bits of legacy software.
Microsoft learnt all they know about sowing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) as a hold-the-market strategem, from IBM. Just sow the seeds and watch the 'nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft' people, who never take any risk they can't blame on someone else if it goes pear-shaped, hold off purchasing until their favourite supplier has a product in their space.
The irony is that MS became the behemoth it is today at the expense of IBM, because MS served the corporate desktop customers (i.e. the real money in PC shipments, the people who pay license fees every quarter) better than IBM did.
With Windows 8, MS threw all those people under the bus so they could chase the fondleslab market with the idiotic mantra from MS Marketing of 'one version of Windows, running on everything'. I mean, who the fuck cares?
The additional irony is that they did this out of nothing but FEAR. Fear that Google and Apple would own the next big thing in computing (which is what Frank X Shaw is talking about), the mobile, always connected, 2.0, bla bla marketing speak bullshit buzzword soup hypescheiss.
In the 80's, the biggest IBM customers, the people who needed them the most, were the people who hated them the most. The people who would, and did, jump at any alternative that looked promising. The corporate desktops. The money.
Today, these same people, who rely on MS more than anyone, hate them more than anyone, and for exactly the same reasons.
One further irony is that Windows 8 on a mobile device without a touchscreen, like a classic notebook or laptop, is a maddening experience that makes you long for the days of XP.
Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall.
And so it goes ...
MS management in denial blames the customers for it's own failings, primarily amongst them is massive over-charging for licences and designed-in software incompatibility with the rest-of-the-world-even to the extent 50% cant even get email with the new tablet.
Barclays bank baulked at the licence fees and is going 100% Open Source to save £billions that MS would have had a slice off. And large companies using MS in the Cloud is laughable as the licence fees would be astronomical and unnecessary in the Cloud era.
MS should realise there is no chargeable premium for MS products like there is was Apple, and they should stop skimming customers. They are so lost, it is laughable. Their time is over as a huge dominant company
-get over it.
MS need to become a 100% Cloud Company fast or slip out of the top 10 into the top 100.
And the dolts blame the customers!!
They blamed beta testers that downloaded 1/3 of Win8 betas than Win7 betas
They blamed OEMs of not being happy to the murder attempt called Surface, and for not accelerating their suicide stuffing the supply chain of w8 machines no one wants due to w8 itself
They blamed developers of being not happy of the coup-d'etat attempt for becoming the sole software distributor with Store
They blamed journalists for not buying their hipe and dare criticizing W8, effectively pressuring to remove many bad reviews and feedbacks.
They blamed usability expert to have bashed Metro UI that is more focused in selling ads than being usable...
The next move is blaming users for not understanding how great they are, of course, what else would you expect?
Because Windows 8 is trying to be a tablet and desktop OS, the best it could possibly hope to manage is 3rd place on the tablet OS charts and 4th place on the Desktop OS charts, surely?
It is clear that in its present form it was never an enterprise OS. Even Server 2012 switches between GUIs and doesn't know what it is some of the time.
An improved Windows 7 (adding new features etc) would have had users embracing it. I've been telling my bosses Windows 8 would be Microsoft's new Vista since trying it in Beta.
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