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Ukraine claims it launched a cunning drone strike on Sunday against multiple Russian airbases, hitting over 40 military aircraft and inflicting an estimated $7 billion in damage, in an operation dubbed "Spiderweb." According to a post on X from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the operation, which took 18 months of …

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            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: Ukraine did

              "other than giving them the perfect excuse to walk away from supporting Ukraine after this major escalation that invites a harsh response."

              Why? Trumps "business deals" with the tariffs is being run exactly like a war. Everything carries ona "normal" right up to the moment the "deal" is signed. And if Trump thinks the "deal" is not being honoured properley in his eyes, all bets are off and the attacks begin again. Just as with Ukraine defending against Russia. There is no peace deal yet and Russia is not just continuing to attack Ukraine, it's stepping up the number and ferocity of attacks. So Ukraine is doing likewise. Just look at WWI. The Armistice was set and signed to come into force at 11am on 11/11. The guns were still firing right up the time the clock struck 11 in many cases. It's how war "works". It's shit. But it happens. And it's how Trumps Tariff war is operating. Trump should admire Zelensky for acting in a similar manner. But after his little chat with Putin, I have no doubt Trump will again blame Zelensky for not being at the peace table because Putin "needs to respond" to this attack. There'll never be peace if there's constant tit-for-tat and that's what Putin likes.

          1. Alan Brown Silver badge

            Re: Ukraine did

            Russians are whining that those bombers were protected under the START2 treaties

            The obvious counterpoint is that Ukraine isn't a signatory to that treaty and in any case Russia withdrew from it in 2022

            I was surprised that Ukraine revealed how they'd shipped the drones, but it turns out one truck didn't make it to its destination because a driver grew suspicious of the roof and opened the covers - which were (quite sensibly) booby trapped and promptly blew up.

            The impact of raising paranoia is interesting though. The Russians don't have enough "authorities" to inspect every single long distance truck but aren't "just waving anyone through". By all accounts backlogs are piling up and its rumoured that bribes aren't working, which opens the question of what happens when inspectors find the massive quantities of drugs and other criminal paraphenalia that's on the roads

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: Ukraine did

              I was surprised that Ukraine revealed how they'd shipped the drones,

              I wasn't. It being a tad difficult to vaporise trucks and containers. There was always going to be a lot of evidence left behind.

              The impact of raising paranoia is interesting though. The Russians don't have enough "authorities" to inspect every single long distance truck but aren't "just waving anyone through".

              And do we?

              By all accounts backlogs are piling up and its rumoured that bribes aren't working, which opens the question of what happens when inspectors find the massive quantities of drugs and other criminal paraphenalia that's on the roads

              Yep, and the same will have to happen around Europe's airports and other sensitive sites. But Ukraine had a lot of experience smuggling drugs and other criminal paraphanalia out of Odessa's ports and into Russia and the rest of the EU. Which might be one of the reasons why Russia would be keen to take control and implement proper border security.

              1. Casca Silver badge

                Re: Ukraine did

                Its really pathetic how much you hate Ukraine and how it colours everything you write.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Ukraine did

                  Its really pathetic how much you hate Ukraine and how it colours everything you write.

                  I don't think he hates Ukraine. I think he loves Tsar Vladimir and thinks the sun shines out of his nether regions, so he hates anyone Vlad tells him to. A bit like the Mitford girls or William Joyce, in WW2.

                  1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                    Re: Ukraine did

                    Nazis are bad. I'm in favour of fighting Nazis.

                    Putin objectively not a Nazi, care to explain all the Nazis stuff reported here https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/ or respond to all the other evidence that Ukraine is stuff full of Nazis with NATO arms.

                    Why are Ukrainian Jews saying the country has lots of nazis ? https://archive.ph/uQEZk

                    1. Anonymous Coward
                      Anonymous Coward

                      Re: Ukraine did

                      They weren't talking about you, they were talking about Jellied Eel.

                      1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                        Re: Ukraine did

                        So who cares. The Banderites are disgusting, it's despicable the racist bile the rancid pair spew forth.

                        1. Anonymous Coward
                          Anonymous Coward

                          Re: Ukraine did

                          *Two* close-together downvotes to my comment above? It's almost as if "two" people are following the same conversation.

                          Two "different" people, that is. I'm sure they're not exactly the same person under different names.

                          Definitely not! ;-)

                          1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                            Re: Ukraine did

                            Mate, the chances that only two people think you're a cunt is unlikely.

                            I'm assuming both your parents met you at least once, so that's at least four of us.

                            1. Casca Silver badge

                              Re: Ukraine did

                              Going by downvotes you and JE gets there is alot of people who think that you are cunts...

                              But thats what you get for spewing lies and russian propaganda.

                              1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                                Re: Basement Banderite writes..

                                Hatred from a Banderite is considered good by Non-Nazis, I'd start to worry if a Nazi fuck, raised by a Nazi fuck, who was Raised by a Nazis fuck was supportive of me.

                                (Nazi Fuck)^3 I reject support from thee.

                          2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                            Re: Ukraine did

                            Just adding this here because it's rather relevant to the actual events, possible outcomes and some responses were memory holed while I was composing it..

                            Or, given the evidence, the same person under an alt.

                            Uhuh. And all the people sh*tposting are the same person, probably under a bridge.. right? Or you really don't understand evidence, or things like lexical analysys because if you did, you'd quickly realise we're not the same person. Same principles apply to figuring out who's decided to flip to AC posting because some 'contributors' posting style can be rather distinctive.

                            Note that elsewhere Jellied references mocking people over the alleged meaning of "SMO"

                            It's pretty easy to mock people who don't understand some very basic, but important distinctions. And if they can't grasp that, there's little chance they understand any of the politics around this conflict. So they'll believe this is a war, 2022 was a 'full scale invasion'. Repeat a lie often enough and idiots believe it. They don't stop and think that Russia only committed a small fraction of their forces to their 'full scale invasion'.. Which was really a show of force that worked, drew forces Ukraine had built up in preparation for their own 'full scale invasion' of Donbas, and got Kiev to the negotiating table in Istanbul. Then, much as with Minsk, Kiev was offered billions if they'd just fight Russia instead. And no need for receipts.

                            But picking on another !War. So a while back, there was a 10 week special military operation against Argentina, commonly known as the 'Falklands War'. Except the UK never declared war, so it wasn't. See also-

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeclared_war

                            There is no specific format required under United States law for the way an official war declaration will be structured or delivered. The United States Constitution states: "The Congress shall have Power […] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water"

                            So the US hasn't fought a war since 1942 and WW2. Which might suprise you, but that's just politics. It's fought many 'wars' since then, but if you don't actually declare one, you don't need to bother getting Congressional approval, or oversight. As Clauswitz famously said, war is foreign policy by other means. Foreign policy is an Executive, not Legislative function, so bombs away! But the US also has other related laws, like the Logan Act-

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

                            The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953,) is a United States federal law that criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen. It is intended to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the U.S. government's position.

                            Which is still on the US statute books, but hasn't been enforced since 1852, although there have been some rulings, like this-

                            [T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation, the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it. As Marshall said in his great argument of March 7, 1800, in the House of Representatives, 'The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.'

                            Yet for some reason, a simple Senator, Lindsay Graham has spent a lot of time (and taxpayers money) flying to Kiev and meeting with their head of state. But in order to avoid violating the Logan Act, presumably they only discussed the weather, football, piano playing and absolutely not embagoes or grape-crushing sanctions, because those are policy matters. Kellog can, because he's a special envoy and thus authorised to act on behalf of the President.

                            But I digress. So currenly there is no legally defined war between Ukraine and Russia. Russia is bound by their Constitution, just as the US, UK, EU etc are. None of the beligerents in this conflict have declared war, even though it might look & feel like a 'war'. In fact only one country has briefly declared war-

                            https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/germany-accuses-russia-of-twisting-baerbocks-war-comments-for-propaganda/

                            German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock riled Moscow with comments at an event in Strasbourg on Tuesday, when, speaking in English, she said that "we are fighting a war against Russia, and not against each other".

                            Which was quickly walked back because despite being Germany's Foreign Minister, declaring war is the German Chancellor's job.. But also why the correct use of language is important to prevent accidental declarations of war. Putin sees her comment, challenge accepted! and nukes Berlin.. Especially given if a war between NATO and Russia is initiated, it's rather time sensitive. Which is especially true now a NATO-adjacent state has launched a large attack against Russia's nuclear triad.. And this fired up again yesterday-

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76

                            with some cryptic messages, and may or may not be part of Russia's 'Dead Hand' system that can automatically launch Russia's nuclear missiles at whatever they were last aimed at. Or it could be a variation on a numbers station and is messaging Russian agents in Ukraine, or elsewhere. We're living in interesting times, thanks to the Kiev clown and his antics. See also-

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r108l785o

                            Speaking after a phone call with the Russian president, Trump said: "President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields."

                            Or as Medvedev put it "Our Army is pushing forward and will continue to advance. Everything that needs to be blown up will be blown up, and those who must be eliminated will be.". I really don't fancy Zelensky's odds of a happy retirement given his claimed involvement and oversight of the attacks on Russia. Maybe Russia has decided that it's past time Ukraine had a new President and government.

                            1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

                              Re: Ukraine did

                              Maybe Russia has decided that it's past time Ukraine had a new President and government.

                              I thought Tsar Vlad had decided that back in 2022, when he invaded? He was clearly hoping for a quick replacement of the Ukrainian government by a Russian puppet regime, but 250,000 dead Russians later he's no closer to achieving it.

                            2. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                              Re: Ukraine did

                              I can confirm, JE's prose is more fluent than mine. Mine has considerably more errors, since this stuff pisses me off, he presents as more dispassionate.

                              Frankly, I wouldn't mind being a little more eloquent and less offended by the stream of bilge, but frankly, it does offend me. It's so shameful to have this happen in front of our eyes, and have the frankly thin gruel served up as evidence.

                              I just don't see why people aren't more able to apply critical reasoning, even just look at the people telling you things, that's a reasonable guide to them being Liars.

                              When the people telling you Granny must freeze and Doctors and Teachers should be paid in applause, have a hundred year commitment to Ukraine; What? when was that on the ballot?

                              So far not a single person can explain why Ukrainians, The BBC, and assorted other people than Russia describe Ukraine as full of Nazis, including the Nazis interviewed by the BBC calling themselves Nazis in Ukraine, explaining why Ukraine needed Nazis.

                              1. Anonymous Coward
                                Anonymous Coward

                                Re: Ukraine did

                                I just don't see why people aren't more able to apply critical reasoning, even just look at the people telling you things, that's a reasonable guide to them being Liars.

                                Says the person who swallows every word fed to him by his Russian handlers!

                                Still, I suppose it keeps you off the streets.

                                1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                                  Re: Russian Handlers

                                  How are the BBC reporting what a Ukrainian who says they are Nazis, Russian?

                                  How are Israeli Media reporting a Ukrainian Zionist lobbying Israel to cut off arms supplies to Ukraine, resulting in a court-case in Israel against supplying Arms to Ukraine because of the Nazi thing. Russian?

                                  How are US State Department saying we can't arm Ukraine because Nazis. Russian?

                                  It's Racist and reductive that you think saying Russian is an answer to evidence. The BBC reported on Nazis - care to explain why?

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: Ukraine did

          I suppose they didn't trust them not to leak it

          Given how Trump has treated Ukraine and Zelenskyy vs how he has treated Russia and Putin they'd be insane to trust us not to leak it. Even if Trump didn't personally do it there are some serious Russian sympathizers in his administration including his DNI Tulsi Gabbard. She has always been stridently pro Russia (Russian state TV refers to her as "our girl") I would not be willing to bet even a penny against her handing over to Russia any intelligence she gets regarding Ukraine they might find useful.

          If Ukraine plays their cards right they might be able to use that to their advantage. They could pass along some fraudulent intelligence to the US via someone in the EU (with their knowledge and cooperation) in the hopes it ends up in Russia and Russia wastes effort trying to defend against some attack Ukraine isn't planning so they have less resources for the attack Ukraine IS planning. Or maybe claim they have a double agent in Putin's inner circle making him paranoid about those around him, perhaps resulting in a few of them falling out of 7th story windows.

    1. Ianab

      Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

      These aren't any high tech military drones, basically consumer grade stuff that a dedicated shed owner could build, using parts from Amazon. They didn't even need huge warheads as they basically steered them into parked planes and detonated where it would do the most good (fuel tanks?). Being FPV there was no fancy guidance system, just a covert operator a few miles away steering them in.

      It's an attack method that will have a lot of military types concerned as it's difficult to defend against.

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

        Ukraine, being the home of Antonov, are no slouches in aerospace engineering and never forget that Sergei Korolev who drove the early lead that the Soviets had in Space exploration was Ukrainian.

        1. Jan 0

          Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

          No Slouches Indeed!

          I also imagine that they've go a covert nuclear weapon programme coming along nicely using all the expertise they lentt to the CCCP.

      2. Peter2 Silver badge

        Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

        It's an attack method that will have a lot of military types concerned as it's difficult to defend against.

        It's certainly difficult to prevent the drones from being launched, but serious militaries have Hardened Aircraft Shelters (google it) which were typically designed to take a direct hit from a 2000lb bomb while protecting the aircraft inside. Militaries that habitually store their aircraft in those are likely at best to have some mild concern about one of their aircraft being hit between the hanger and takeoff/landing. It's unlikely that any warhead a drone can carry is going to make a dent in one of those shelters.

        They'd probably do better dropping a lump of thermite on an unhardened WW2 era aircraft hanger that wasn't designed to withstand bombs landing on the roof, but serious militaries have replaced those or use them for keeping stuff out of the elements.

        Militaries that have a habit of parking huge rows of aircraft outside on tarmac while using unhardened hangers (which is mostly the US & Russia) are liable to be a bit more worried, since as seen here it's damaged or destroyed potentially a third of Russia's strategic bombers at very low cost.

        There are already no fly zones around airbases. If these no fly zones aren't enforced ruthlessly then a thousand worth of drone with a lump of thermite or similar can blow up aircraft worth a hundred million which takes 5+ years to replace. Therefore given that laser weapons are now a thing, there will simply have to be batteries of lasers around airbases, and the existing "no drone flight" areas will eventually be enforced with a 100kw laser shot through drones operating in banned airspace.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

          Peter2,

          Pretty much every air force has a habit of parking aircraft outside. Because there often aren't enough hardened shelters to go around. Also these shelters have doors, and the problem with FPV drones is that they can be steered through them. Plus you've got parking areas for warming-up aircraft, taxi-ways, end of runway aprons for alert aircraft and ones being prepped for immediate operations and arming areas. You ideally don't want to store the bombs with the aircraft, which means you have to go somewhere to bomb-up.

          As I see it militaries should be buying gatling guns on trucks - as fast as they can. Lasers and short range missiles are also important. But drones are cheap, and so I think its a combination of missiles and a mix of guns and lasers (depending on which is better/cheaper).

          1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

            Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

            US/Russia park bombers outside because of START treaty so the other side can Satellite check that they haven't taken off, or been made ready to use.

            It seems the Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty, which Don Tariff denies all knowledge.

            Why can't they attack the things they want to attack themselves without using unwitting uninvolved civilians as suicide bombers?

            It would seem this is something that would have implications for shipping containers as well as Arms reduction treaties. Is this going to help occupied Kiev regime squeeze some more money out of gullible European taxpayers?

            Basically a fancy truck bomb, the poor sod driving made a suicide bomber by a Ukrainian terrorist group. The reporting seems to suggest the trucks(possibly only the roof/launcher mech) destruct to prevent some details being discovered. Are conscripting unwitting people as combatants not terrorism if you do it to Russian Truck drivers?

            Are Russians collectively responsible for the actions of their government such that a clearly civilian transport worker - so really strategic legitimate target, is okay to murder in this manner.

            1. Casca Silver badge

              Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

              What a load of crap

            2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

              Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

              It seems the Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty, which Don Tariff denies all knowledge.

              START1 and 2 are treaties between the US and Russia. Ukraine aren't involved.

              I don't believe the treaty demands planes to be parked outside. The US have kept their B2s in hardened shelters since they built them. But I don't know enough about the treaty to know that for certain. But a treaty between the US and Russia doesn't protect Russian assets they've been using to launch missiles at Ukrainian civilians.

              Why can't they attack the things they want to attack themselves without using unwitting uninvolved civilians as suicide bombers?

              No suicide bombers here. They delivered loads that the drones were launched from - they weren't part of the attack - and from footage I've seen the trucks didn't self-destruct or anything. If Russia chooses to do horrible things to innocent Russian civilians, that's on them - not Ukraine.

              However, from what I've read, the Ukrainians also pulled the same trick with the bomb that blew up the Kerch bridge, back in 2022 - had it delievered by a Russian company from one side to the other, then set it off. Which means they killed the innocent driver. Not something anyone decent should be happy about. I've no idea whether that counts as legitimate under the laws of war, where you're allowed to kill civilians if the target is legitimate and the risk to civilians proportionate to the value of the target - war is never clean.

              However, you seem to reserve your outrage for Ukraine. For destroying Russian assets that are used to deliberately kill Ukrainian citizens on a regular basis. So pardon me if I doubt your motivation.

              1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

                The issue is using the Truck driver as a Suicide Bomber - Ukraine are entitled to attack Russian Material - I don't see how that is remotely ambiguous.

                The people of Ukraine and the people of Russia are not proxies for their respective armed forces. If you unwilling force someone to act as a proxy for an armed force - you are a terrorist.

                Ukraine can attack as many legitimate targets according to the same IHL which governs armed conflicts. You can handwave away that using civilians for military purposes is essentially strapping a bomb to the poor truck driver.

                It's Terrorism - They have an entire front with lots of uniformed people they can attack, so why the suicide bombing - because it was intended to disrupt the Ukrainian surrender to reality talks in Istanbul.

                Long term more nuclear weapons, and Russia/US nuclear brinksman ship is not good for the world.

                So Ukraine, the Nazi Regime in Kiev perpetrating a Terrorist attack on a country that has very large numbers of rocket launched nuclear weapons, using an innocent civilian truck driver, with a bomb in the truck to achieve a PR victory is not great.

                What's troubling is that one of the only people to correctly spot just how fucking stupid this was, was the resident crackpot.

                You can't seem to get it. Russia doesn't give a shit about land, it's the people of Ukraine who wanted Russian protection from the Bandera regime who are quite happy to have a nuclear war, because the worst fate for these scum is old age and irrelevance.

                You are basically unable to put yourself in the shoes of the Russians, and not want Nazis on your border oppression people who speak your language, who have family in your country, cheered on by poorly educated western morons.

                Russia may not be a perfect society, but you'd have to be stupid to look at the UK/US and Russia and conclude it's the Russians who are the threat to humanity, either in the past or the present.

                1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                  Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

                  "Suicide Bomber"

                  You keep using that phrase. Clearly you have you very own speshul meaning that the rest of the world doesn't agree with. None of the drivers were sent into a place where the truck blew up, killing them and that was never the intention. It's been reported that one driver may have tried to break into the cargo and was killed by a booby trap. That's not a suicide either, by any sane definition.

                  1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                    Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

                    The truck blew up on video, it clearly had a bomb in the back. If the driver was in that truck he'd have died.

                    It's an act of Terrorism to put a bomb in a Truck and get some poor sod to deliver it, and blow up in the process. That's an unwitting suicide bomber, you've forcibly converted to a combatant in your terrorist group of banderites.

                    You've bit by bit admitted its a suicide truck bomb, because you're so eager for your terrorism to reap some engagement. Well congratulations, you killed some poor working slob driving truck trailers around.

                    Your Hero Bandera will be proud.

                    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                      Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

                      "You've bit by bit admitted its a suicide truck bomb,"

                      You are so far down the rabbit hole, you don't even know who you are responding to any more.

                      Your reply is entirely wrong and most especially the bit quoted above.

                      1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

                        Re: Ukrainians have decided to withdraw the Americans from the START treaty

                        Face facts. They put a bomb in a truck trailer. That bomb would kill the driver. It's on video. The driver being likely to die is almost certainly a dupe, an unwitting victim of the terrorists who have placed a bomb in the truck.

                        That you cannot demonstrate sufficient object permanence to understand logically the consequences of the sequences of evidence, offers a pretty obvious conclusion.

                        A Terrorist group tricked some poor Truck driver into driving a Truck bomb and dying in the resulting Blast. That the trailer has some drones in doesn't mean the Driver wasn't forced to become a combatant by a banderite terrorist group.

                        Try to read more, watch less TV. Do some thinking.

          2. EvilDrSmith Silver badge

            Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

            "As I see it militaries should be buying gatling guns on trucks"

            Actually, I think the (partial) solution was discussed in these hallowed pixels about 6 weeks ago (17 April):

            Brit soldiers tune radio waves to fry drone swarms for pennies.

            In this case at least, the drones appear to have been less a swarm, than a cab-rank - the reason we have good pictures to confirm some of the destroyed aircraft is that each drone tended to fly along the flight line and recorded images of each aircraft that had previously been struck, and were apparently coming from a single point at each airfield attacked (there seems to have been only one Ukrainian Aircraft carrier per target airbase). That would seem to be well suited for the British RF-DEW to deal with, though obviously, multiple attack points against a single airbase would be possible, and significantly complicate the issue.

        2. BadRobotics

          Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

          Those hardened shelters generally don't have doors, an FPV drone can easliy sneak in and target the plance, no?

          Best defence would be a monitored exclusion zone around bases and lasers.

          1. collinsl Silver badge

            Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

            They do have doors, bloody great big ones at that.

            Check out this RAF training video from the late 80s featuring Windsor Davies for more information.

        3. EvilDrSmith Silver badge

          Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

          I think the HAS's that the Iraqi air force had in 1991 were destroyed by 2000lb weapons, so not quite as tough as you suggest, though obviously would be proof against a small drone.

          However, HASs cost money, and a HAS big enough to protect a TU-95 would be very large (and very expensive). Building one for every airframe means ~100 HASs (assuming that the decision to build the HASs would have been made when the fleet was at its maximum size), but then its obvious where all your TU-95s are, so you might want to build more HASs then planes, so a potential enemy doesn't know which HAS contains a plane and which doesn't - and now you are spending truly huge sums of money. Also, it would only be effective if they were kept fully closed up all the time - even a small personnel access door left open is a big enough gap for a drone to get in.

          Also, an aircraft in a HAS is not actually much use - it needs to come out at some point if it is to be used. The Russians have shown a preference for using their strategic bombers to launch nocturnal missile strikes against Ukrainian cities and other civilian targets, making their operations at least partially-predictable, so even with HASs, this strike could still have been undertaken, with the attack launched as the bombers lined up for take off.

        4. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

          > serious militaries have Hardened Aircraft Shelters

          At which point you target the parts warehouse, or the substation powering the airfield, or the factory making the parts for the aircraft

          You can't go fully 1945 Germany and have your entire defence industry under a mountain

          1. Alan Brown Silver badge

            Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

            "At which point you target "

            The fuel tanks

            There's a reason the Ukrainians have been doing that most of all over the last few years

            1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

              Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

              Alan Brown,

              Even 80 years after - almost the first thing you come to in any piece about Pearl Harbour is, "why didn't Japan bomb the fuel storage tanks?" I guess, not much changes.

          2. herman Silver badge

            Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

            In which case you target the mountain with an earthquake bomb - as NK learned during Donny’s first term.

      3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

        It's an attack method that will have a lot of military types concerned as it's difficult to defend against. ...... Ianab

        It’s an attack method that is incredibly easily personified and that will have a lot more than just military types concerned as it is practically impossible to be safely and securely defended against.

        The list of possible and newly recognised as impactful and disruptive targets is virtually limitless.

      4. BadRobotics

        Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

        From reports I have read, the drones were 'taught' to recognise planes and this assisted in their mission. Given how even basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs, the technology is easy.

        1. TimMaher Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: “basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs”

          So, how do we explain Tesla then?

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: “basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs”

            >So, how do we explain Tesla then?

            School kids aren't cats or dogs

            1. that one in the corner Silver badge

              Re: “basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs”

              Send you child to school wearing an anti-Tesla safety backpack

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: “basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs”

                Send you child to school wearing an anti-Tesla safety backpack

                It would probably be a lot easier to just have stop signs or red traffic lights printed on them, and potentially more entertaining.

          2. DS999 Silver badge

            Re: “basic cameras can discern between cats and dogs”

            It is a lot easier to recognize "plane" vs "not plane" versus being able to tell apart a car, bus, bicycle, crosswalk, green light, stop sign, cat, child, jogger, deer, mattress that fell off truck, etc. etc.

      5. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

        "and detonated where it would do the most good (fuel tanks?)"

        Is setting off thermite "detonation"?

        It's less spectacular than things which go bang but just the ticket when there's fuel involved or engines to disable and tyres on the wings are beneficial for that kind of loadout

        "Were those winter tyres? They're no use against Summer drones"

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

      Then who supplied the parts/technology?

      Ukraine had their own anti-ship ballistic missile program before the war started (Neptune) - and had a decent sized arms industry with many international clients. Since being invaded they now have a huge arms industry.

      In fact there are Ukrainian companies who are now asking their government to change the law - which prohibits the export of weapons (since the invasion) - as they're now able to make more drones than the Ukrainian government can afford - so why not make them a bit cheaper by exporting and gaining more economies of scale? Plus earn valuable foreign currency.

      There are various international coalitions assisting Ukraine. I know the UK have allocated money to the Ukrainian government to spend on building their internal drone industry. As well as jointly leading the drone coalition (with Latvia). But a quick look suggests this coalition is more about buying kit outside Ukraine, than transferring technology or building Ukriane's industry? Quick linky to an overview of the assistance coalitions - not sure if this is defnitive, but it includes the ones I knew about.

      UK are also leading the Naval coalition with Norway - and I know we helped provide boats the Ukrainians turned into naval attack drones at one point.

      In general though, Ukraine aren't lacking in knowhow (except for the most complex weapons systems). It's resources they're short of.

    3. goblinski Bronze badge

      Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

      Ukraine claims they were home-made, and on the simple side.

    4. Al fazed
      Unhappy

      Re: Who built/supplied the drones?

      The same manufacturers and supply chain which supplies the other side, obviously. You didn't study Business I presume......

      too warm for a coat......

      Out of here, soz.

      ALF

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