back to article Belgian police seize 28 tons of cocaine after 'cracking' Sky ECC's chat app encryption

The Belgian plod says it seized 27.64 tons of cocaine worth €1.4bn (£1.2bn, $1.65bn) from shipments into Antwerp in the past six weeks after defeating the encryption in the Sky ECC chat app to read drug smugglers' messages. "During a judicial investigation into a potential service criminal organization suspected of knowingly …

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    1. Al fazed

      Just a build up in supply chain, waiting for clearance for export to UK after Brexit

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "breaking encryption"

    Didn't the previous encrypted phone network get busted because the cops hacked the software update servers and introduced a backdoor'ed update the handsets then downloaded.

    You know, like SolarWinds...

    I guess its just another SupplyChainAttack(tm)

    One way or another, it almost certainly didn't involve decrypting the messages in flight. One end or the other was compromised and made to dump the messages in clear.

    1. Al fazed

      Re: "breaking encryption"

      Apparently, until the general availability of desktop computers the CIA in collab with some other secret service or (wish I'd book marked the Register story) ran a security business with a machine that companies and governments could buy via an outlet in Germany.

      Of course none that purchased this device knew it was actually owned by the CIA who now knew all their deepest vilest secrets plots and plans.

      Problem with getting old, I forget to use Bookmarks, obvious incipient dementia, HELP

    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: "breaking encryption"

      Didn't the previous encrypted phone network get busted because the cops hacked the software update servers

      Not even. They got a mole hired by the vendor, according to reports.

      Good ol' HUMINT-style sabotage. People have been saying for decades that intelligence and police agencies should stop fetishizing technological solutions and continue to use older, less-glamorous techniques where appropriate. The EncroChat takedown is a fine example.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "breaking encryption"

        Well, unless all of the stories I've read are incorrect, encrochat was taken down by compromised update version getting pushed to about fifty percent of the handsets. They claim they did that with an attack on the update servers...

        I guess an infiltrator could have made the changes to the server, but the articles I've read suggest it was done with a remote technical breach.

        We'll probably never know the entire truth.

  2. tiggity Silver badge

    Drug slang evolution

    I'm obviously way out of date on my drug slang as back in the day blow as a slang term meant (in the UK) cannabis. *

    Has the US blow = coke taken over everywhere now, or is it just a matter of a US writer authoring this article?

    * No surprise given my age as its many years since I had los of friends who did drugs (AFAIK, who knows maybe plenty of my friends do decades later but I'm just unaware of it!)

  3. pinkmouse

    Indeed, blow "was" definitely street slang for canabis, at least in my day in the UK. Still that was a while ago...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    28 million grammes of coke

    That's a huge amount of recreational drugs for a population of x million people.

    busted today, not even like that is the total.

    At some point someone is going to do the math and realise that a large percentage of people in Belgium don't consider doing lines of coke to be immoral even if it is illegal. These people are being criminalised despite a dominant ideology of the population.

    recreational drugs are fun, by definition.

    anon because its illegal to think this way, not because its bad.

    1. Peter2 Silver badge

      Re: 28 million grammes of coke

      A large part of the population may well think "what's the harm".

      At least the same percentage of the population would probably also react badly if somebody on drugs then stabs a member of their family while totally out of it, or ploughs a family down while driving under the influence.

      I'm not particularly against the idea of allowing drugs to be sold legally, however as a quid pro quid I would expect a life sentence (and by that I do actually mean life) for people who make the choice to take drugs and then kill whilst under their influence.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: 28 million grammes of coke

        Imagine if there was a simple drug molecule that could be made at home and was widely available in Belgium and caused people to stab a member of their family and led to car crashes - I'm sure the Belgian authorities would crack down on it.

        In comparison i think coke mostly causes bad ad campaigns

        1. CrackedNoggin Bronze badge

          Re: 28 million grammes of coke

          In the late 80's US urban areas were filled with crack smokers and cocaine injecters. Horrifying. It did result in a lot of crime and wasted away women selling their bodies on the street for the next hit. Crack + AIDS = Fast Death. Crack gives 30 minutes of pleasure followed by desperation for the next hit. Like the mouse hitting the pleasure bar repeatedly until it dies. A lot of people also got burned faces while trying to smoke the crack because it can easily explode.

          Nowadays it is the speed freaks - c.f. buzznicked, faces-of-meth. Better value for money?

          1. Al fazed
            WTF?

            Re: 28 million grammes of coke

            A different hit entirely. But people still like to experiment with drugs, reckon it's safer than skiing, surfing, sky diving, pot holing, jogging.......

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 28 million grammes of coke

        Ugh.. Recreational? Then why not to make this shite such a heavy formula cfor both pairs of legs just refused to keep a whiteliner's body in vertical position until getting sober and social?

        Anon, because:

        ... err, fcuk it. forgotten

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 28 million grammes of coke

        I think you will find in Europe sentences are adjusted to reflect that option, altho no country implements life means life.

        It's difficult to forgive someone for causing someone else's death but it sets us apart from the savages.

    2. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: 28 million grammes of coke

      Antwerp... Second busiest port in Europe, where goods from all over the world are received to be distributed in all of the continent.

      But nope, that is not the case here. If the blow was found in Belgium then it is for local use only: Belgians consume coke by the kilo...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 28 million grammes of coke

        >Belgians consume coke by the kilo...

        Wow - imagine how dynamic and go-getting they would be normally !

        AC cos I'm contracting for a Belgian Company at the moment

        1. Al fazed
          Happy

          Re: 28 million grammes of coke

          Belgians have for a long while thought of as too passive, not very exciting. Now this statement coming from a Brit is as you can see how bloody awfully boring it must have been living in Belgium before they discovered cocaine........

      2. ghp

        Re: 28 million grammes of coke

        We even drink it from two-liter bottles!

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "That's a huge amount of recreational drugs for a population of x million people"

    Never ever consider Coke as being a recreational drug, it's not, treat it as a serious Class A drug, it was given that classification for a reason.

    It bites far worse than it barks... it's a subtle bastard that will creep up on you very slowly but steadily.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      All drugs that aren't for clinical purposes are 'recreational'

      Jumping out of an aeroplane underneath a giant handkerchief is recreational (if you aren't invading Crete).

      Doesn't say anything about the level of danger

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Recreational price to pay

        Coke will also drag your family through the mud whereas parachuting will only send you through he mud when things go wrong.

        And you don't get a criminal record for possessing a parachute should you get controlled.

    2. ecofeco Silver badge

      Yep. I've seen associates lose wealth and power the likes of which I can only dream about because they were coke heads.

  6. Stratman

    I suppose this means Fleetwood Mac's reunion tour is off?

  7. Duncan Macdonald
    Black Helicopters

    OpenPGP

    As OpenPGP has been available for years - for a text only service why not use it for the encryption.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: OpenPGP

      The encryption isn't the problem.

      Distributing keys to groups of people, being able to message groups of people when you don't know if one of them is a police, getting apps that do this and can run on your phone, trusting that the app is written by the police - these are trickier

      1. Mark 65

        Re: OpenPGP

        I think Moxie whatever his name is went into the details in an interview as to what your typical issues are, much as you've indicated, and that the encryption of the message isn't really one of them. They are most likely using an open source (probably audited) library, however they've likely f*cked up the tougher parts of the implementation.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Once again with feeling.......

    Quote: "....police specialists managed to crack the encrypted messages from Sky ECC...."

    *

    So some bad actors relied on "end-to-end encryption" provided by a service provider. We hear about this a lot (Whatsapp, Proton Mail, Telegram.......).

    *

    But the backdoors are secret (for obvious reasons). How long does it take for EVERYONE to realise that relying on SOMEONE ELSE'S ENCRYPTION might be a poor idea?

    *

    The snoops reading El Reg are welcome to have a go at this secret message on this subject!

    *

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    1. jtaylor

      Re: Once again with feeling.......

      "How long does it take for EVERYONE to realise that relying on SOMEONE ELSE'S ENCRYPTION might be a poor idea?"

      Do you suggest that each person create their own encryption, and don't use anyone else's encryption? How will those clevers communicate?

      Don't you hate it when someone answers your question with a question?

    2. chivo243 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Once again with feeling.......

      My Mother is a saint! How dare you!??

    3. Mark 65

      Re: Once again with feeling.......

      I'd hate to have to use the encrypted messaging app I came up with.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: feeling.......

      and the passwords of the wallets are... ?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Roll yer own man....

    Can't trust anyone dude, roll yer own....

    1. Mark 65

      Re: Roll yer own man....

      That might work for cigarettes....

  10. Scott 53

    Huge cocaine siezure

    Are they sure it's cocaine? Might be the inside of lots of Sherbet Dibdabs.

    1. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Huge cocaine siezure

      Maybe they could add some yellow dye, fizzy stuff and lemon flavour.

      A bit of repackaging..........

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