Re: There but for...
Spearfishing?!! My bet is that his password was liamfox123
Icon because he was a Minister of Defense once.
Former UK trade minister and current Conservative MP Dr. Liam Fox has been named as the source of hacked trade documents released during last year's British elections. "There is an ongoing criminal investigation into how the documents were acquired, and it would be inappropriate to comment further at this point," a UK …
"It is completely predictable that the Russian Intelligence Services are targeting those working to combat the coronavirus pandemic,"
The Russians have been messing with our (and many other nations') social, scientific, economic and political life for over 200 years. We should expect that as it's part of the culture.
So the Russians were solely responsible for the Tories winning the Election, just to cause trouble by getting us out of the EU (where, coincidentally, we can no longer interfere in EU decision-making and therefore making the whole garbage pile run so much easier.)
And now you're saying it was the Russians hacking (out)Fox(ed) who gave the Liebour Party the documents relating to flogging the NHS to the Americans, which was supposed to make sure the Tories lost the Election.
So, dear Remoaners, which is it - did the Russians try to fix the elections so the Tories won or did the Russians try to fix it so the Tories lost? You cannot have it both ways!
The Russians simply want to spread disorder and division.
Classic, ancient divide and conquer. The tactic is thousands of years old.
Splitting the UK from the EU hurts the EU and severely damages the UK. Proving that Tory ministers can't be arsed to follow basic security damages other nations confidence in negotiations, resulting in worse economic damage to the UK. Showing that Corbyn would use Russian-provided intel damages confidence in the Opposition.
By refusing to think, you're playing into Putin's hands.
"Splitting the UK from the EU hurts the EU and severely damages the UK."
Vs the possibility of installing a marxist and communist as the government leaders in the UK who would have scrapped the nuclear missiles (but made the subs anyway as a bribe to the unions). Sounds like the Russians would have done well by helping Labour to inflict maximum damage. I remember labour were going to negotiate the best deal possible with the EU, then reject it.
Labour was going to negotiate the best deal possible with the EU, and then recommend it's members reject it and brexit if it FELL SHORT OF SIMPLY REMAINING IN THE EU.
So, they'd get the best deal possible for the leavers to chew on, but if it was still better to stay in the EU, they wouldn't throw the country down the shitter.
Of course, you know this, but it's been a long time since you've posted anything other than lies and gross distortions.
The last time I offended a brexitter with facts, my family were threatened, and he attempted to dox me (the moron posted an address I've never had any association with)
( N.B. This wasn't on "The Register", and I'm not accusing you of being a danger, but I'm not tempting fate again)
Besides, unless your real name is Code Junky, you are posting anonymously too.
Anyway, it's interesting how when you have no answer to valid comments, you resort to shouting "troll!"
"The last time I offended a brexitter with facts, my family were threatened, and he attempted to dox me (the moron posted an address I've never had any association with)"
Ok I get that and sorry for your experience. I do have a troll on here and your comment seemed to have a similar tone.
"Labour was going to negotiate the best deal possible with the EU, and then recommend it's members reject it and brexit if it FELL SHORT OF SIMPLY REMAINING IN THE EU."
Negotiating from a position of being on their knees is not a negotiating position. If you are going to negotiate then the other side must believe such a negotiation will result in the outcome. To negotiate to then have another referendum to a population that already voted leave and with a party who have members who will still campaign to leave even after negotiation doesnt work. The EU would give nothing as it would be dangerous. Any offer then rejected would be used as a weapon by members who dont want the EU federation.
"So, they'd get the best deal possible for the leavers to chew on, but if it was still better to stay in the EU, they wouldn't throw the country down the shitter."
The voters had a choice of in or out and out looked better. This is a referendum offered many times but withdrawn because the voter would vote to leave. You might think its throwing the country down the shitter but others see the shitter being the EU membership.
"Of course, you know this, but it's been a long time since you've posted anything other than lies and gross distortions."
This is where the amusing trolling is because the accusation needs no fact and if you tried I would prove you wrong which is where the AC handle provides you immunity from looking as stupid as your comment suggests (feel like throwing one back at you).
Well, it's been the hard-line remainers that refuse to accept a democratic decision who have been insisting 'the Russians did it' for the last 4 years, with regard to the Brexit vote.
The same people that routinely resort to name-calling of pro-leave voters. A number of such people routinely post (and post such insults) here.
The Russians are not trying to push some ideology here, they're neither for not against brexit. Their aim is solely to cause maximum chaos and damage. So yes, they would happily support both brexit (causing chaos and terrible damage to the UK and some to the EU as well) and then try to damage the tories badly enough that, say, Corbyn wins, almost certainly causing yet more chaos and damage to the UK in the process.
Martin, you forgot to demand a third Downvote for my posting as AC.
But since trying to hold a reasoned discussion on the subject of us leaving the EU ALWAYS ends with those who wanted to stay resorting to insults and refusing to actually admit that there is any merit at all to any reason for wanting to leave, and since the Labour Party are no better than the Tories when it comes to "mis-using" words and rewriting history to suit themselves, I see no reason not to continue to use both terms as both are more accurate than many of the utterances issuing from either group.
If you find either term insulting, tough luck. I don't like being told I must be a brainless racist thug because I voted Leave. Unlike many Remoaners, I actually looked at the issues and decided we could do better outside than in. And seeing how the EU is behaving now, when they are supposed to be working with us to sort out the best deal for both sides, I would vote leave again. And again, and again. But this isn't the Republic of Ireland so you only got one Referendum, not as many as it took to get the result you wanted. Which, despite what Remoaners seem to think, is how Democracy is supposed to work.
> Fox, who has since stepped down, had an email account (reportedly his personal one) taken over by Russian hackers, who then used it to obtain and release documents about Anglo-American trade talks.
Well, it makes a change from the tradition of 'accidentally' leaving them on the train or a park bench.
It's just been reported that a group of teenagers used a similar attack to compromise several high-profile Twitter accounts. Yet when it's embarrassing for the government, the same style of attack is deemed so sophisticated that it could only have been carried out by a foreign government? I suppose it would be unthinkable to suppose that someone in government could be duped by a 16 year old in Bognor Regis ...
Ooh look, the Russian hackers story again. British readers will recall that the last time this was splashed all over the news, it was very shortly after the Government suffered an embarrassing defeat when their preferred candidate, Chris Grayling, failed to be elected as head of the Intelligence and Security Committee. In response the Conservatives ejected the new head, Julian Lewis, from the Parliamentary party.
British readers will also be aware that the Conservatives are currently receiving criticism for NOT removing (or suspending) another MP from the party who is under investigation for rape. (Important note: the MP has been arrested, is under investigation, but has not currently been charged.)
The Russian hackers story pushed coverage of both the other stories off the BBC News Politics pages.
Why hasn't the former leader of Her Majesty's Opposition explained who gave him the information? I think it's a reasonable question. .... Anonymous Coward
If that is in any way accepted as an official designation/unofficial descriptor for an out-of-office parliamentary political party competitor/parliamentary opponents out of office in political parties ......Her Majesty's Opposition ........ one surely then has a Royal Warrant to bring down the government of the day by whatever means and memes be available and accessible to one ?
Some, who be themselves much more than just a chosen few, may recognise and relish such a manic madness as is evidenced in the crass craziness of parliamentary business, and evolve and resolve to be considerably more effective than was ever before never imagined possible, or never before ever imagined possible if you prefer ........ for there are novel virtual tools and almightily madE weapons nowadays readily available for practical use and misuse and abuse.
* Methinks Too Dangerous to Never Ever Ignore is APT in this quite specific case where/when it remains as an Advanced Persistent Threat.
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