back to article Ecuador's Prez talking to UK about Assange's six-year London Embassy stay – reports

It would appear that the president of Ecuador is not a fan of Julian Assange. Lenin Moreno, the head of the South American state since 2017, reportedly said today that he had spoken to the British government about the evidently unwanted Australian-born squatter, who has been hiding in the Ecuadorean embassy in London since …

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      1. ChrisPv

        Re: There was ZERO risk of Swedish extradition to USA

        It was not ambassador, but Columbian president Morales.

        Now this is actually reason that “deep state” teories aren’t as bullshity as they sounds on surface.

        Someone convinced Austria, a neutral country to force-land airplane with Columbian head of state and then SEARCH such plane. No repercussions whatsoever.

  1. NoneSuch Silver badge
    Big Brother

    My Two Pence.

    Oh Homer,

    Wikileaks could have been a responsible arbiter keeping governments honest by just taking basic steps to parse the info they were given. Instead, they blanket released reams of documentation without review literally putting peoples lives at risk.

    The gunship footage of US Apaches gunning down unarmed journalists needed to be made public and was an epic first step that made people aware of Wikileaks. Then they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly by releasing anything and everything that came their way, in full.

    Assange (Tm) has more in common with a petulant diva than a journalist and he needs to step up and take responsibility for his idiotic actions. Any good he did has been long overshadowed by the need to feed his gluttonous ego.

    The need for whistleblowers in the face of corruption or demagoguery is absolutely needed in today's world, but Saint Julian had his chance to fill that role and muffed it repeatedly.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: My Two Pence.

      To add to your 2 cents. For me there are 3 stories or 3 characters here, all heroes / anti-heroes in their own way:

      1. Schrems

      2. Snowden

      3. Assange

      All 3 changed the world. But you get the impression that the first 2 were more 'selfless' in their acts. Whereas Assange seems the most mercurial and self-serving of the 3. He's also far more directly 'political' than the other 2. Plus the public narrative has been massaged by larger forces, so what's the whole truth?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: My Two Pence.

      while I share the sentiment about what wikileaks should have and shouldn't have, I'm pretty sure you underestimate the volume of information and the volume of work it would have required to parse that info. I think it's probably something well beyond capacity of a large organization to vet that info, and they were hardly more than a bunch of volunteers. And even if they had had large organization behind, there's always a high chance the other side would find enough examples of insufficient vetting, to make a point (as they did), that it was all anti-patriotic, blah,blah,blah, endengering lives of our brave soldiers, the usual damage limitation. So what do you do when you find yourself in their position? And, really, how many lives were lost? Ah, that's "classified" too...

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: My Two Pence.

        "I think it's probably something well beyond capacity of a large organization to vet that info, and they were hardly more than a bunch of volunteers."

        Maybe they take a lead from their name Wikileaks, not wikiflood?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: My Two Pence.

      > Then they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly by releasing anything and everything that came their way, in full.

      You forget that Wikileaks didn't 'bulk leak' the original Manning material - that was done by a journalist who incompetently/inadvertently disclosed his password.

    4. DrXym Silver badge

      Re: My Two Pence.

      I think it's also noteworthy how Wikileaks almost exclusively targets the US and western democracies and constantly seeks to undermine them, e.g. by supporting separatist movements and other divisive issues.

      And yet they have nary a bad thing to say about oppressive regimes or the people in them. It's also funny how they played a pivotal role during the US election, trying to pass emails stolen from the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

      It's almost as though they've been a front for Russian intelligence for a very long time.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: My Two Pence.

        It's almost as though they've been a front for Russian intelligence for a very long time.

        That's where wikileaks (and the media) messed up. By becoming political and advancing an agenda, they went from being an embarrassment to more of a threat. So Clinton blaming them for losing her the election, along with everyone else.. Not that the US electorate disliked her and were perhaps forced to pick the lesser evil. Assange's selective drip feed of the emails during the election campaign made him an enemy of the US liberals/democrats who may previously have supported him & wikileaks.

        But there's very little evidence of Russian state involvement, despite the DNC's claims. There's growing evidence that the FBI didn't look very closely at the whole email saga, and that it may have been an inside job. And the Clintons/DNC destroying potential evidence is also rather curious. But then so is the strange case of the Awans, Pakistani IT consultants who seemed to have free reign and admin control over many Democrat's IT systems.

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

    Any decision taken by UKGBNI Government to allow "punishment" of Assange, rather than deem the whole sad episode a mistake made under pressure from foreign third parties, with Assange able to walk free with no fear of malicious prosecution, will have dire consequences for UKGBNI, methinks, for who in their right minds would ever share any secrets with them whenever the truth has them running scared and terrorised by the thought of perverse repercussions.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

      Whatever else he did or didn't do, he failed to appear at court whilst on bail. Showing contempt to the court and the justice system is very much frowned upon. There was no need for him to run away at the time. He was effectively under "house arrest" in very comfortable surrounds, one might even say in the lap of luxury. He has since chosen to spend far more time under self-imposed house arrest in much less salubrious surroundings for longer than any likely prison sentence he may get.

    2. collinsl

      Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

      And yet we're happy with the American media getting their hands on whatever intelligence we share about them with terrorists after attacks are we?

    3. Bernard M. Orwell
      Headmaster

      Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

      "UKGBNI Government "

      UK == Scotland, Northern Ireland, England & Wales

      GB == Scotland, England & Wales

      NI == Northern Ireland

      British Isles == Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland & assoc. islands.

      Notice the redundancy in your preferred acronym.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

        "Notice the redundancy in your preferred acronym."

        You mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to give it it's full, proper and correct name? If you are British, then you should be ashamed, if not, then you learned something today.

    4. Jove Bronze badge

      Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

      "Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?

      Any decision taken by UKGBNI Government to allow "punishment" of Assange, rather than deem the whole sad episode a mistake made under pressure from foreign third parties, with Assange able to walk free with no fear of malicious prosecution, will have dire consequences for UKGBNI, methinks, for who in their right minds would ever share any secrets with them whenever the truth has them running scared and terrorised by the thought of perverse repercussions."

      This bot is a prime candidate for an episode of "Just a Minute"

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Preferred Option

    Slips out the back door middle of the night.

    Starts tweeting.

    Police chase ensues with extreme ineptitude and hilarity.

    Live televised raids of all celebs that paid his bail money where one of them is having a friend over for BDSM at the time, saucy.

    Captured in Dover dressed as a blonde prostitute with a live chase on TV in the style of Benny Hill.

    1. Keef

      Re: Preferred Option

      I like your narrative Dear AC.

      Should it come to pass it would be interesting to see if Auntie (AKA the BBC) would be interested in partaking of 'live televised raids of all celebs' given the recent court rulings on their coverage of the police action on Sir Cliff's residence.

      I'll have that Benny Hill tune in my head for a while now, thanks for that.

      1. collinsl

        Re: Preferred Option

        > Benny Hill tune

        It's called Yakety Sax:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcq_xLi2NGo

        1. JetSetJim Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: Preferred Option

          > It's called Yakety Sax

          And this is how you dance to it:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQAWOCofXo

    2. Fungus Bob Silver badge

      Re: Preferred Option

      It would be more entertaining if Benny Hill did a re-enactment of the whole thing...

      1. DavCrav Silver badge

        Re: Preferred Option

        "It would be more entertaining if Benny Hill did a re-enactment of the whole thing..."

        Probably not that entertaining. Benny Hill has been dead for more than 25 years.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Preferred Option

          That's what they want you to think. He's currently at subway with Elvis.

          1. DavCrav Silver badge

            Re: Preferred Option

            "That's what they want you to think. He's currently at subway with Elvis."

            Is he chasing Elvis round the tables or is Elvis chasing him?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Preferred Option

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Preferred Option

          >Benny Hill has been dead for more than 25 years.

          ...and is still more culturally significant than Saint Jules..

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Preferred Option

      Give the man a sleeping pill and take him away in the diplomatic bag. Then lose the diplomatic bag half way across the Atlantic.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      Re: Preferred Option

      There just has to be a role for Inspector Clouseau in there ...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    As featured on Russia Today propaganda station?

    The alt tag for the Assange image says: "Julian Assange, as featured on Russia Today propaganda station". Lets see some analysis of the independent non-propaganda western media. Assuming this one manages to not get rejected:

    Manufacturing Consent shows how the collusion of government and media running the powerful propaganda machines that manipulate the opinions of the masses, is manufacturing consent’…

  5. Barry Rueger

    Comrade Assange?

    What I've been wondering about is why Trump hasn't embraced Assange and promised a pardon for crimes real or imagined. Or for that matter why Putin hasn't offered him a Snowden style deal.

    Could it be that even those two find him too slimy to touch?

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Comrade Assange?

      "What I've been wondering about is why Trump hasn't embraced Assange and promised a pardon for crimes real or imagined."

      Given Trump's ability to contradict anything he said previously would you trust such a pardon if you were Assange?

  6. herman Silver badge

    This bloke really overstayed his welcome. He should be extradited to a nice little volcanic island off the coast of Antarctica.

    1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

      Is that the one where the preditors need a human host to grow aliens to hunt?

      Seriously though, the guy cost his supporters a f.ton of money(about a million wasn't it?) when he skipped bail.

      Throw him in jail for 12 months for skipping bail, then ask the Swedes if they want him, if not, deport him back to Australia....

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        "Seriously though, the guy cost his supporters a f.ton of money(about a million wasn't it?) when he skipped bail."

        Nah, it was "only" about £200k. This ain't the USA where bail seems to be 6 figures in all the US crime dramas :-)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          £200,000 is 6 figures...

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
            Thumb Up

            "£200,000 is 6 figures..."

            Thanks for pointing out my mistake for me and making me look like the innumerate fool I am.

    2. Jove Bronze badge

      ... while his balls are mounted in the trophy case.

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  8. DCFusor Silver badge

    IC community haters

    So he's a slimeball, I get it.

    No one ever has credibly accused anything he's gotten released is false.

    Zero.

    You release stuff when it's topical. If telling the truth influences things, I think that's the entire point - either way. If no effect, you might was well be the mainstream media who almost no one with IQ above room temperature believes anymore - they're not even careful with their lies. You think the leakers that are pro-war-party neocons don't time their stuff?

    Plenty people hate him for pissing in their cornflakes, though. You know, the ones who DO the atrocities, commit the crimes, plant media lies about them, and hate being exposed when they're supposed to be protecting us - taking our money to do so.

    Just the level of utter unreasoning bitterness about the guy tells me the type who wants him imprisoned. Do you really want to be on the same side as that type?

    I've held clearances and know more than a little about what goes on in the IC. But since my bread isn't buttered there...I can afford to step back and see a more clear picture.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "I have never been in favour of Mr Assange's activity."

    It's a shame but not unexpected, that a politician didn't say something like "I find Mr Assange's overblown ego pretty off-putting, but I'm in favour of his activity"...

  10. Joe Gurman

    The Chief Magistrate

    Hit the proverbial nail directly on the proverbial head.

  11. Winkypop Silver badge

    Send him out for the Friday night kebabs run

    Then lock the door behind him...

  12. macjules Silver badge

    Very Simple

    Dear Mr Assange,

    The cost of "protecting you" is over £6.5m by Ecuador and over £10m for UK police. When you have repaid that you may go free.

    PS: we may well sell the debt on to our friend Donald Trump

    Love and kisses,

    HMG

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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  13. Rich 11 Silver badge

    Lenin Moreno

    I wonder what his mum's and dad's politics were?

  14. LucasNorth

    Expel the diplomats and turn off the utilities, smoke out this fugitive from justice

    1. macjules Silver badge

      Go on then. I dare you.

      1) Create a defence crowdfund along the lines of "I will smoke out Assange"

      2) Walk into the Ecuador embassy and smash the first fire alarm glass panel you see.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Julian has already been deprived from liberty of movement by Britain for 6 years

    so if the maximum sentence for skipping bail in Britain is 12 months, then Britain must pay compensation to Assange for illegal imprisonment for the remaining 5 years in any case, in addition to whatever a British court might find to be the true applicable penalty for Assange'S skipping of bail _below_ the maximum in the criminal statutes.

    There can not be any doubt that Assange has truely been under imprisonment during all of his time in the Ecuadorian embassy, because the British Government and their police force consciously and purposely deprived him of the freedom of movement from the European Convention of Human Rights, Protocol 4 Article 2, by threatening him to make his situation much worse if he tried to leave the Ecuadorian embassay to make any movements within the Britain territory surrounding that embassey.

    Imprisonment applies whenever a state uses its overeign powers to deprive a humuan of fundamental rights provided by the European convention of human rights. It was Britains wilful and conscious decistion to apply imprisonment to Julian Assange in the form they did, and Julian Assange should really start suing for compensation for illegal imprisonment.

    1. Alister Silver badge

      Re: Julian has already been deprived from liberty of movement by Britain for 6 years

      What complete bollocks.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I still say he needs to be tarred & feathered and then have a nice extraordinary rendition flight to somewhere in the Midwest where he'll watch ISIS beheading vids a la Clockwork Orange stylee.

    Harsh but the smug little pr*ck grates on my nerves.

  17. Jove Bronze badge

    Patience - we will have him soon enough.

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